Current Events > All schools should teach children about LGBTQ+ people

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And they should start it in kindergarten

Preschool.

this isn't the time to use that

A while back, I overheard some co-workers bitching about teaching those kinds of values in school, saying that it should be up to the parents. It took some restraint not to tell them to fuck off.

Incurso91 posted...

A while back, I overheard some co-workers b****ing about teaching those kinds of values in school, saying that it should be up to the parents. It took some restraint not to tell them to f*** off.

"It should totally be the parents choice if they want to raise their children to hateful bigots!"

Yup. and everyone opposed to it is bad

Teach them what?

MedeaLysistrata posted...

this isn't the time to use that

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/5/9/AAJBROAADvLL.jpg

Incurso91 posted...

A while back, I overheard some co-workers bitching about teaching those kinds of values in school, saying that it should be up to the parents. It took some restraint not to tell them to fuck off.

I feel like those kind of people honestly think LGBTQ+ people shouldn't be allowed to breed or adopt. They believe in "up to the parents" as much as they believe in "up to the states".

I used to think they forget LGBTQ+ parents exist when they do the "protect the children" nonsense, but I think they know perfectly well.

googs19 posted...

"It should totally be the parents choice if they want to raise their children to hateful bigots!"

Yep. Most of the people I've heard bitching about it are those who are highly religious.

Where's the poll? Lmao

They should teach not to be anti and figure out their history and struggles and implement that. Is that what we mean? But, we can't even get them to implement black history in any major way ...so, probably not happening anytime soon.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Teach them what?

That they exist and it is wrong to be a jerk to them. Then they should be more included in history books as schooling progresses. They should also be included in sex ed when children reach the appropriate age.

My stepmother was actually complaining about that last night. Basically she said that even as a lesbian woman she was getting tired of "forced inclusion". Using her friend's kids as an example because they are required to include LGBTQ+, Asian, black,... characters in stories they have write for English, Dutch and French classes and the like.
It felt awkward as a straight man having to explain to a lesbian woman that it's an important part in the process of normalizing her and other minorities. She did end up understanding though.

Honestly I thought that was already part of Sex Ed. It was at my middle and high schools, at least.

Deutschenlied posted...

That they exist and it is wrong to be a jerk to them. Then they should be more included in history books as schooling progresses. They should also be included in sex ed when children reach the appropriate age.

I mean I'm not against the sentiment but demanding a "Gay people exist and we need to talk about them and stop you from being a jerk to them!" seems like an odd lesson to force on every school

I mean what class would you even slip that into? When children are learning ABCs and the difference between a house and a tree?

Isn't "Don't be a dick" by itself enough?

I'm not sure this is something you can codify into a school curriculum.

How do you insert "more gay people into the history books" just talk about Oscar Wilde all day?

Take WW2 for example. How do you talk about the Eastern Front and Neville Chamberlain and Rommel's tank deployments in Africa in way that is more LGBTQ inclusive?

You can't, so do you take that WW2 lesson and instead teach about how Leonardo Da Vinci may or may not have enjoyed playing hide the pickle with his lad friends while painting?

It doesn't fit.

I get the emotion here but I'm not sure these are pragmatic or quantifiable ideas.If anything they will just give Jesus Freaks a chance to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and be bigger dicks to gay people.

https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA

"we'll convert your children"

Straight people be like "we can't expose children to that" and meanwhile refer to 4 year olds who spend exactly 3 minutes together as boyfriend and girlfriend.

The straight are not ok

myzz7 posted...

https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA

"we'll convert your children"

So did you actually watch the video or just parrot what conservative outrage YouTube videos told you?

pinky0926 posted...

refer to 4 year olds who spend exactly 3 minutes together as boyfriend and girlfriend.

O_o wut

Agreed btw, also lots of anti-American communist propaganda. I am not being sarcastic or doing a bit.

Yep. Acceptance of different people should be taught early.

I can't believe I actually remember this but my music teacher back in 4th grade told our class people shouldn't date until the age of 16.

LGBTQ+ is generally sexually charged and I don't think little kids need to hear about the finer details of THAT sort of stuff (I know that back as a 5-year old I wouldn't have wanted to hear about it either), but it absolutely should be taught that relationships come in forms besides man/woman and that it's perfectly fine and should be respected (basically as an introductory form to LGBTQ+)

It shouldn't JUST be taught in kindergarten or whatever, either -- it should be something enforced all the way up to and including the ages where said kids might actually start forming those relationships.

myzz7 posted...

https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA

"we'll convert your children"

Wait. Do you actually we are an agenda that we are trying to convert people to?

When your child is born gay, you'll want people to accept them.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I mean I'm not against the sentiment but demanding a "Gay people exist and we need to talk about them and stop you from being a jerk to them!" seems like an odd lesson to force on every school

I mean what class would you even slip that into? When children are learning ABCs and the difference between a house and a tree?

Isn't "Don't be a dick" by itself enough?

I'm not sure this is something you can codify into a school curriculum.

How do you insert "more gay people into the history books" just talk about Oscar Wilde all day?

Take WW2 for example. How do you talk about the Eastern Front and Neville Chamberlain and Rommel's tank deployments in Africa in way that is more LGBTQ inclusive?

You can't, so do you take that WW2 lesson and instead teach about how Leonardo Da Vinci may or may not have enjoyed playing hide the pickle with his lad friends while painting?

It doesn't fit.

I get the emotion here but I'm not sure these are pragmatic or quantifiable ideas.If anything they will just give Jesus Freaks a chance to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and be bigger dicks to gay people.

No one cares what your opinions are on anything

And yes I do think we should force LGBTQ+ awareness down people's throats until things change. Racism wasn't less normalized by being quiet and not being too annoying to white supremacists.

Seems pointless if the local culture is fine with it in the first place.

I didn't even know anything about gay people until high school. And that was only cause there was an LGBT club. Just LGBT mind you, they didn't add the Q yet.

Oh and I only found out about the club because they lacked members and were trying to recruit literally anyone. Nobody wanted to at the time, I think they had barely enough people to be an official club.

Deutschenlied posted...

And yes I do think we should force LGBTQ+ awareness down people's throats until things change.

And that's why it won't change.

Deutschenlied posted...

No one cares what your opinions are on anything

And yes I do think we should force LGBTQ+ awareness down people's throats until things change. Racism wasn't less normalized by being quiet and not being too annoying to white supremacists

Racism wasn't handled the way you're suggesting, either, though. You think being forced to sit through higher math made you care about math?

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ce can't allow an honest discussion on the matter

https://youtu.be/Y8fhccACnDY

UnfairRepresent posted...

Teach them what?

that LGBT+ people exist and that its ok

BloodMoon7 posted...

I didn't even know anything about gay people until high school. And that was only cause there was an LGBT club. Just LGBT mind you, they didn't add the Q yet.

A pretty common theme I've heard from talking to trans people of my generation who didn't realize until they were older that they were trans is that they simply didn't have the language to even describe how they were feeling their whole lives.
While I don't blame my parent's, since its not like they knew anything about trans people either, if someone is intentionally trying to keep a child from knowledge that could help help them understand themselves, it is nothing short of barbaric child abuse.

myzz7 posted...

ce can't allow an honest discussion on the matter

https://youtu.be/Y8fhccACnDY

What discussion are you not allowed to have? Are you upset if children learn about straight people or white and black people?

And I don't why I'm addressing something Unfair said, but obviously I'm not saying to abandon all curriculum for children and only teach about LGBTQ+ people forever.

Right-wingers don't even want kids to learn about black people, let alone LGBT+ people

UnfairRepresent posted...

I mean I'm not against the sentiment but demanding a "Gay people exist and we need to talk about them and stop you from being a jerk to them!" seems like an odd lesson to force on every school

I mean what class would you even slip that into? When children are learning ABCs and the difference between a house and a tree?

Isn't "Don't be a dick" by itself enough?

That's too simplistic of an approach. That's like a teacher telling a bully "Don't be a bully" and expecting it to solve anything.

I'm not sure this is something you can codify into a school curriculum.

How do you insert "more gay people into the history books" just talk about Oscar Wilde all day?

Take WW2 for example. How do you talk about the Eastern Front and Neville Chamberlain and Rommel's tank deployments in Africa in way that is more LGBTQ inclusive?

You can't, so do you take that WW2 lesson and instead teach about how Leonardo Da Vinci may or may not have enjoyed playing hide the pickle with his lad friends while painting?

It doesn't fit.

You can absolutely make lessons LGTBQ+ inclusive. It doesn't have to turn every lesson into that, but you can include pioneers of the LGTBQ+ community. Include things such as the Scientific-Humanitarian Committee, the first LGBT rights organization in history. Or poetry from Elsa Gidlow, who published the first openly lesbian love poetry in the US.

And just like we have lessons on Civil Rights movements and legislation, we should have lessons on LGBTQ+ Rights movements and legislation. There's a lot that can be taught. It is as much a part of history as everything else.

Not to mention everything that should be changed about health classes.

I get the emotion here but I'm not sure these are pragmatic or quantifiable ideas.If anything they will just give Jesus Freaks a chance to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and be bigger dicks to gay people.

To be fair, they're going to REEEEE regardless, so might as well doing something constructive while they have their meltdowns over there.

NoxObscuras posted...

To be fair, they're going to REEEEE regardless, so might as well doing something constructive while they have their meltdowns over there.

Exactly, there's no pleasing these people.

Well, maybe if they end up in a fantasy world where LGBT people don't exist. Because we're not going anywhere.

HylianFox posted...

Exactly, there's no pleasing these people.

Well, maybe if they end up in a fantasy world where LGBT people don't exist. Because we're not going anywhere.

I dunno.

I think they'd still be angry and miserable about something

If we can't teach about LGBT people, why should we teach kids about a man and a woman being together? ..... And if it is because men and women procreate, then you my friend, are the one sexualizing children.

If anything they will just give Jesus Freaks a chance to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and be bigger dicks

Ive noticed that Christians have been quiet lately. Maybe they are still outspoken in some areas of the world but Ive not heard of anything. I assume their outrage has been defeated and/or theyve become more accepting.

Starting in middle school might be good

I think the first important step in education is more teaching people to function in society, how taxes work, how businesses get run, etc

In my experience as a teacher, parents have no clue what's best for their child in terms of education.

And that's not their fault, it's the politicians' who fear monger them into believing that education is bad.

RustyAxe posted...

I think the first important step in education is more teaching people to function in society, how taxes work, how businesses get run, etc

Lol.

Sayoria posted...

If we can't teach about LGBT people, why should we teach kids about a man and a woman being together? ..... And if it is because men and women procreate, then you my friend, are the one sexualizing children.

I dont follow. Are you talking about sex-ed classes as opposed to biology classes?

NeoShadowhen posted...

I dont follow. Are you talking about sex-ed classes as opposed to biology classes?

My point is, people are making a fuss about just teaching kids of the existance of gay people and trans people.

Then question, why is there a fuss for this when we teach kids that men and women go together?

Then pull it together that the answer for the last question is because it is a sexual topic.

Therefore, the people claiming that gay and trans issues shouldn't be taught are in turn, making the whole thing sexual when it doesn't need to be.

I feel like it should just be part of everyday conversation. Like...don't make it weird, it's not that hard to be chill about it. Whenever you teach about men and women, even a casual mention of nonbinary and the like would go a long way.

LGBTQIA+ people exist, and no matter how angry that may make some parents, those people will continue to exist. Therefore, kids need to learn about them.

Refusing to teach about LGBTQIA+ people does not prevent those people from existing, it just makes your students less aware of the world around them.

RustyAxe posted...

I think the first important step in education is more teaching people to function in society, how taxes work, how businesses get run, etc

Whose alt?