Current Events > That Dahmer show is disgusting

(+) Yeah! (+)

Stop glorifying serial killers. At least pay the families of the victims when you make bullshit like this.

Im sure the family has been paid for using their likeness.

From the trailer it does not seem to be glorifying him. It makes him look like a monster

Don't these kinds of people get dozens if not hundreds of letters from people regardless of there crimes?

That's weird.

DuuuDe14 posted...

Don't these kinds of people get dozens if not hundreds of letters from people regardless of there crimes?

That's weird.

It's super crazy, like the amount of marriage proposals these people get...I guess women really do like bad boys ( -_-)

As for the show:
Zikten posted...

From the trailer it does not seem to be glorifying him. It makes him look like a monster

Define glorification?

Everyone always says stuff like this and never provides a reason beyond simply something akin to, "MUH EMOTIONS!!!1"

Like, my friend said that Saki in Your Lie in April was used as a plot device to glorify violence because she abused Kosei. Never mind that her actual arc got resolved with her being hurt after recognizing she fucked up.

Here's a surprisingly novel concept. Why not just...don't watch things you don't like? Is this affecting you in any way? Nope.

Evan Peters is okay looking but Netflix straight up used Zac Efron to play Ted Bundy.

I haven't seen it but I don't think true crime biopics are glorifying people

especially when they are filmed years later

UnfairRepresent posted...

i don't think true crime biopics are glorifying people

especially when they are filmed years later

My issue with stuff like the OP is, if people don't actually define what "glorification" means, that carries censorship connotations (at least to me), which I'm almost always against; I can count on one hand the situations where I'm not. Probably one finger.

Zikten posted...

From the trailer it does not seem to be glorifying him. It makes him look like a monster

I cant speak to the Dahmer special specifically, but it's well known that a contributing factor to mass shootings is the publicify they get in the news; and Thirteen Reasons Why was criticized because it ironically "glorified" suicide despite attempting to paint it as a tragic thing. (As in, it's airing correlated with a slight rise in suicides)

Sometimes it's not that the subject material is portraying something in a positive or negative light, but that the glorification comes from the attention we give these phenomenon.

That said Ive yet to hear anything tying true crime documentaries to copycat killers or the like, but it's worth noting that the societal impact of displaying certain behaviors doesnt necessarily correlate to the intention of the display. >_>

Kim_Seong-a posted...

well known that a contributing factor to mass shootings is the publicify they get in the news;

Ah, true. I forgot about that.

I suppose that's one reason to be morally against it, even if I'm still personally not. But logically, that does make sense.

romanticizing

LinkFanatic posted...

Ah, true. I forgot about that.

I suppose that's one reason to be morally against it, even if I'm still personally not. But logically, that does make sense.

I mean it's a fine line to walk for sure.

I personally feel a bit icky about the true crime genre because it comes off as a bit exploitative, but I assume there must be a way to tell these stories in a way that doesnt contribute to perpetuating them. And it would be too easy to use it as an argument for bad faith censorship.

Idk. >_>

Kim_Seong-a posted...

and it would be too easy to use it as an argument for bad faith censorship

Exactly. That's why I was (admittedly unjustified, so I apologize OP. Not in a great mood) snarky to the OP in my post, but I suppose I shouldn't have just assumed he was advocating for that. Perhaps he just isn't a good communicator, or maybe I'm not?

Do they have a laugh track on the show or something?

I cant see them portraying him as sympathetic or something

Zikten posted...

From the trailer it does not seem to be glorifying him. It makes him look like a monster

Yet so many girls are all ooo hes so hot! What a bad boy! Tee hee!

DuuuDe14 posted...

Don't these kinds of people get dozens if not hundreds of letters from people regardless of there crimes?

That's weird.

Hes been dead for many years.

28 years ago.

I don't think the show glorifies him, but I do just find something distasteful about it. I think what pushed me over the edge was a clip posted on reddit where they were showing side-by-side comparison of one of the victims' family members breaking down in court and screaming at him.

That was just gross to me.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I cant speak to the Dahmer special specifically, but it's well known that a contributing factor to mass shootings is the publicify they get in the news; and Thirteen Reasons Why was criticized because it ironically "glorified" suicide despite attempting to paint it as a tragic thing. (As in, it's airing correlated with a slight rise in suicides)

Sometimes it's not that the subject material is portraying something in a positive or negative light, but that the glorification comes from the attention we give these phenomenon.

That said Ive yet to hear anything tying true crime documentaries to copycat killers or the like, but it's worth noting that the societal impact of displaying certain behaviors doesnt necessarily correlate to the intention of the display. >_>

Violent video games can push violent and impressionable people over the edge to commit heinous acts. Doesn't mean video games are a problem or that we should restrict how much violence we see in them

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think the show glorifies him, but I do just find something distasteful about it. I think what pushed me over the edge was a clip posted on reddit where they were showing side-by-side comparison of one of the victims' family members breaking down in court and screaming at him.

That was just gross to me.

I think I saw an article from one of the victim's family members, where they said this series was "re-traumatizing" for them

I'm actually impressed with the series, it's finally a serial killer documentary women don't want to see.

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think the show glorifies him, but I do just find something distasteful about it. I think what pushed me over the edge was a clip posted on reddit where they were showing side-by-side comparison of one of the victims' family members breaking down in court and screaming at him.

That was just gross to me.

I had the same feeling with another scene. According to Wikipedia, Tony Hughes (an aspiring model) was lured to Dahmer's place in the same way he lured many other victims under the pretense of taking nude pictures. Yet in the show they portray it as them having a loving relationship until Dahmer's abandonment issues get the upper hand and he murders him. It felt like a weird attempt to humanize Dahmer to me.
Now I know Wikipedia may be an unreliable source, but according to other sources there seems to be no real life indication these 2 had an actual relationship beyond the false pretense of a possible career as a model for the victim.

I put spoiler tags just in case, because you never know on these boards.

The show depicts him as mentally slow and socially inept. On top of being fucked up course. It doesn't make him look good lol.

So what's different about this show? I haven't seen it but I've seen multiple complaints about it.

I mean, I get the arguments itt that the victims' families might not be happy reliving it. I can see that. But this is hardly the first tv show to pay attention to Dahmer. Netflix has a ton of content on true crime and serial killers. What does this show do that warrants more criticism than all the others?

Hornezz posted...

Netflix has a ton of content on true crime and serial killers. What does this show do that warrants more criticism than all the others?

I think the fact that it's all relatively recent when compared to other media based on real life killers is a contributing factor.

I loved both Evan Peters/Dahmer and Zac Efron/Bundy. Both of the actors are hot as FUCK and I enjoyed watching them. :)

BustedLavaLamp posted...

I loved both Evan Peters/Dahmer and Zac Efron/Bundy. Both of the actors are hot as FUCK and I enjoyed watching them. :)

While that may be true, it's a creepy as fuck thing to say in this topic ( O_o)

Hornezz posted...

So what's different about this show? I haven't seen it but I've seen multiple complaints about it.

It's just the new hot talking point. I don't think it has much specifically to do with this show at all.

BustedLavaLamp posted...

I loved both Evan Peters/Dahmer and Zac Efron/Bundy. Both of the actors are hot as FUCK and I enjoyed watching them. :)

The fuck is wrong with you?

indica posted...

It's super crazy, like the amount of marriage proposals these people get...I guess women really do like bad boys ( -_-)

I saw a comment on Reddit that went into this, and they said that part of the appeal comes from the fact that the men are locked up and under control (to an extent), and thus are no threat to them.

It is kinda interesting seeing how much hate Dahmer is having compared to the love Dexter got in its first four seasons or the film Zodiac got. Only reason Dexters gets hate now is because the quality of the show stopped not because it is glorifying a serial killer.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I cant speak to the Dahmer special specifically, but it's well known that a contributing factor to mass shootings is the publicify they get in the news;

The show had a balance between the victims, victims family, dahmer's family and dahmers behavior. Episode 6 was touching because Tony represents all of us. Someone who wants to go out the world follow our dreams. Find someone who love us. And his mom represents the people who love us and is scared that the world can be a dangerous place. Episode 6 shows who these victims are.

I'm not sure exactly where I stand about the whole glorifying serial killers thing when it comes to shows/movies but I did like this series for a few things:

1. Highlighted the incompetence and racism of cops at the time, which still tracks to today.

2. Did a fine job of portraying the struggles of those affected, especially the family of the victims and the neighbor (Glenda) that had to pretty much witness a lot of his killings.

3. The building where Dahmer did his killings and was caught. It was razed in 1992 and to this day remains an empty lot when in the show there were talks about their being a memorial park or something supposed to be built in it's stead. Not sure if the show will have any effect on finally getting a park or memorial built there.

I just can't imagine losing a loved one in such a horrible way and then years later watch it get turned into entertainment. Like I have a friend whose mom got murdered last year, and I'm just picturing him 20-30 years from now finding out that they made a Netflix series about it without ever speaking to him. That's what a bunch of these people are going through right now

I finished watching the show yesterday and it definitely does not glorify him or what he did. It's highly critical of his actions, and the actions of those who facilitated his behavior. And it puts a good amount of focus on showing how he damaged the families and communities he committed his crimes in.

He's been dead for almost 30yrs he's not getting anything from this, and the show is clear throughout the he was a monster.

BlueTigerLion posted...

It is kinda interesting seeing how much hate Dahmer is having compared to the love Dexter got in its first four seasons or the film Zodiac got. Only reason Dexters gets hate now is because the quality of the show stopped not because it is glorifying a serial killer.

Dexter is fiction

I think people who are fascinated by serial killers secretly want to kill but don't have the follow through

Master_Kazuya posted...

I think people who are fascinated by serial killers secretly want to kill but don't have the follow through

That's a piping hot take.

Master_Kazuya posted...

I think people who are fascinated by serial killers secretly want to kill but don't have the follow through

I highly doubt that. Some people just like studying their mindsets and why they think the way they think.

Zikten posted...

From the trailer it does not seem to be glorifying him. It makes him look like a monster

Maybe 'glorifying' isn't the proper term, but we have to be honest about what is actually happening. People are watching this because they want to see the spectacle of this serial killer and the families of the victims do not want to be apart of that spectacle.

Why yes, shows and films about serial killers are going to be disturbing. I sincerely doubt they're singing his praises. Serial killers and their victims are part of real history the same way that genocidal dictators, crazed cults, mass murderers, and exreme religious fanatics are. That's why people still read books and watch documentaries about the likes of Jack the Ripper, the Black Dahlia, and the Jonestown massacre.

Adam posted...

Stop glorifying serial killers. At least pay the families of the victims when you make bullshit like this.

imagine getting triggered from a netflix show

AtelierGaming86 posted...

Im sure the family has been paid for using their likeness.

nope. a sister of one of the victims spoke out recently about how she thinks it's messed up that Netflix is profiting off of this and she says she was never contacted.

yeah they need to stop making shows about this shit

To be fair to Zac Efron's movie, it wasn't the first time Ted Bundy was depicted as stunningly handsome. Mark Harmon (Gibbs in NCIS) played him in a TV movie back in the mid 80s, and they depicted women as falling all over themselves trying to help Bundy.

I had to hear about this stupid show for my entire flight to Florida. A mother and daughter, both drunk cougar types, were talking about it from across the aisle to one another.

"This show is so creepy."
"Have you seen that Dahmer show? Have you watched all of it?"
"I feel guilty watching this. I'm going to regret it as soon as the credits hit."

i've read that the series was exceptionally well executed, but i'm not sure if i can watch it

i listened to a podcast on him once and had to stop it because i was so disgusted

Thats what Ive been saying. It just makes more people want to do it, imo