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SaoriKobayashi
09/28/22 7:02:27 PM
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bost

Greetings, and welcome to the Best OST Contest 5 6! In this contest, you and fellow video game soundtrack lovers will come together to once and for all answer the question "What is the best video game soundtrack? (For now.)" I'm your host deogenerate New Fucking User Name (or deo NFUN for short, or banshiryuu Saori Kobayashi going by my GameFAQs handle) and this time around I'll be taking the reigns from BOST's innovator, azuarc second person guy, deogenerate. Having only been in the community for about two six years now, far after before the last BOST happened, I'm running into this somewhat blind, but I'm super excited to run this for you guys!

If you don't know what this contest is all about and want the gist of it before you dive deep into this year's rules, please check out this video by azuarc that goes into some of the history and general happenings in the contests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI2wbyeleKo

OFFICIAL CONTEST SPREADSHEET! ....is still in development, but will be up with nominations!
Once available, this single spreadsheet is where nomination and support tracking will happen, as well as match data once the contest starts.

Previous year's spreadsheets for reference:
Year 1 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zPlgjoCt7gdId-5z7aO5How5MJhKMng3eQurgWDmQ-o
Year 2 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19KmZ_2B9FaOcWuZBMlfLNl3gGM8rBSDCgoCaKPIeOSs
Year 3 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/188lBqOWw0LCYIryl2LbA1SRFCuMFx6-9xr6IRmiV5-E
Year 4 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eCbe24cwmHBdcOr3WgjtiaT-tioUGI-zkjrQgZuGMp0
Year 5 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sD964sXfa3trbXrr14mFKeEIA14cGM2RtHmW9TqGBmw

In the next few posts, we'll get into the nitty gritty of how things will be run this time around!

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SaoriKobayashi
09/28/22 7:11:25 PM
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There are some changes I'm thinking about doing this year. If you have others, feel free to suggest them for discussion. We have a fairly standardized and "rigid" contest in VGMC, so I think it makes sense to have BOST be more mutable and wacky. I'm not married to any suggestions and will leave changes to be made by popular support (last time went pretty well IMO); I just suggest taking the mindset that changes are fun and interesting for a less "serious" contest like this. For reference for last time's rules, go to EL OH GEE faqs dot com and search "[BOST] Best OST Contest 5 - Announcement and Pre-Contest Discussion Thread"

1. Last BOST we had two tiers of songs in a given soundtrack, so songs that nominators considered stronger could be saved for later in the contest. I think this created a bit of a weird dynamic, where people were kinda torn between "gaming the system" and using strong songs early to get better chances at getting far, and also having most of the strongest tracks not even show up because their soundtracks died before they could be used. I suggest going back to full randomness, which could be more natural in a sense. Plus, random is fun as a general rule

2. If you're going to change your lineup for a nomination, just ask your supporters if it's ok first in the topic like a day before doing it. just to be cool ;)

3. Eligibility for songs will be extended to current VGMC rules. This is something that will happen. What is up in the air is whether that should extend to songs that don't even play in game (after all, they're still part of the OST!). I think a fair middle-ground would be that the majority (at least 4) songs have to be VGMC eligible, and the rest can be album-only arranges... so long as you don't have the originals in your set as well

4. You still can't nominate BOST champion soundtracks, but if you nominate a game that's been in, try to make most of your tracks unique. At least aim for the songs that weren't used in BOST 5. Probably won't make this a concrete rule, but hey! If it really is a contender for the best soundtrack, it should have a good bench of backups.

think that's all i got for now. discuss as you will. or don't. i'm not your mom

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PIayer_0
09/28/22 8:04:39 PM
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cool

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pyresword
09/28/22 8:34:56 PM
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Tag. No idea what I'm going to nominate this year.

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banshiryuu
09/28/22 8:45:23 PM
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Yes
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Hbthebattle
09/28/22 9:09:55 PM
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homestuck

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Haste_2
09/28/22 9:15:51 PM
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Hopefully these questions don't kill this topic!

1) There's a game I want to nominate that has only six songs in total. Is it eligible? I'm assuming each setlist is supposed to have seven? If the seventh track is still specifically for tiebreakers, I figure that would mean this game would simply not have a tiebreaker song. (and if the game ended up in a tiebreaker match, I guess it would just have to be DQ'd?) However (going off on a tangent), if we're no longer doing 1/2/3 and 4/5/6 tiers anymore, I feel like there's less of a need to use the seventh song specifically for a tiebreaker in this contest. I'm curious as to how we'll handle that seventh slot this time around.

2) You already partly anwered my question about allowing bonus tracks. I might suggest a limit of one or two per setlist, rather than three, but for sure I'd love to be able to have at least one OST bonus track on a setlist!

3) Here's a new idea: What if we allowed multiple soundtrack albums be from the same game be allowed as separate contestants? You know, like PSO2 volume 6 and PSO2 Volume 8....? (I have no plans to nominate PSO2 as a whole, but I would nominate a specific volume if allowed!)

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NFUN
09/28/22 9:22:00 PM
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Haste_2 posted...
There's a game I want to nominate that has only six songs in total. Is it eligible?
no

to clarify, I like how we do tiebreakers but i'm not enamored to the point where i'm opposed allowing alternate matches and such to break ties instead. it's more that i'm not inclined to bend the rules because a game doesn't have enough songs, since that makes calling it a contender for "best ost" kinda silly. if we got rid of the alt song then fine ig

Haste_2 posted...
3) Here's a new idea: What if we allowed multiple soundtrack albums be from the same game be allowed as separate contestants? You know, like PSO2 volume 6 and PSO2 Volume 8....? (I have no plans to nominate PSO2 as a whole, but I would nominate a specific volume if allowed!)
I'm not fully opposed. imo if we allowed this we'd cap it at two albums/game for the contest (also mycro and i already made a pso2 set)

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Haste_2
09/28/22 9:48:22 PM
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Okay, if you and Toxtricity do one album, then I can do the other album. >_> (of course, I could collaberate with you guys on it) Toxtricity is back for this contest, then?

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NFUN
09/28/22 9:52:03 PM
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he will be back yes

the setlist looks like this rn but it's not Final

Seashore Probe ~ Wopal (Battle)
Mothership Probe (Scenery)
Unfathomable Darkness
Yggdrasil
LEYGENDER
Struggle to Live
The Whole New World (Full)

note the perfect balance of composers and story parts

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azuarc
09/28/22 10:55:33 PM
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1) Thank you for hosting. If you need any help, please ask.

2) I'm not in favor of the split tiering, but I don't know if my opinion carries a lot of weight because I personally prefer everyone fixing their tracks to the same order. My ideal version of how this would go is that everyone nominates strongest first, weakest last, but that after the nominations are locked, ALL games would play (for example) song #4 in round 1. This way there aren't any blatant mismatches, but nobody's going to purposefully try to game the system because they might very well just screw themselves. How you determine the "true order" is up to you. I like this better than pure random, but I think true random is better than partial random.

3. Album-only songs are fine as long as that's the understood rule. As someone who has hosted both VGM contests, eligibility questions and people trying to tweak stuff just for the sake of tweaking them is always a pain, so anything you can lay out in concrete terms beforehand is obviously better. But NFUN in 2022 is going to be a lot better at evaluating these things than azuarc in 2011 or whatever year BOST1 was.

4. SaoriKobayashi posted...
You still can't nominate BOST champion soundtracks, but if you nominate a game that's been in, try to make most of your tracks unique. At least aim for the songs that weren't used in BOST 5. Probably won't make this a concrete rule, but hey! If it really is a contender for the best soundtrack, it should have a good bench of backups.

Did you typo this, or did you mean to say that any game in the last contest should try to come up with a completely unique set of tracks? Guess we won't be nominating VVVVVV, then. (I know you're not framing this as a hard rule, but I still want to try to obey the spirit of the contest.)

5. One thing that I think needs to be recodified is how tiebreakers are selected at the end of the nomination period. When I created BOST, I invented a really stupid rule just so it wouldn't be randomized, and I didn't even remember that rule existed when Deo enforced it for 5, where it bit me in the ass. FIFO is not a good policy. If anything, LIFO is probably better, but there's got to be a better system...even if that means having a brief run-off period or something like that.

6. NFUN posted...
to clarify, I like how we do tiebreakers but i'm not enamored to the point where i'm opposed allowing alternate matches and such to break ties instead. it's more that i'm not inclined to bend the rules because a game doesn't have enough songs, since that makes calling it a contender for "best ost" kinda silly. if we got rid of the alt song then fine ig

In a perfect world, we'd use more than seven songs. The overwhelming majority of games that should be in the discussion should be able to field at least 10. If not 10 good songs, then at least 10 songs total. Otherwise, go Monty on the Run!

Anyway, there's definitely some weird stuff that happens with use of the alternate. It gets played for first tiebreakers, which was the primary use, but then because loser's brackets inherently have more rounds than winner's brackets, it pulled double duty in the later parts of the LB. You may want to look at how the late rounds of the LB could play out, because there's room at that stage of the bracket for wanting multiple alternates. I know I pulled some weird bullshit for how to pick songs in those matches, like whichever song had the most decisive win earlier in the contest, or randomly making it a 3v3, etc.

There were also people who, as greater proponents of the pure random setlist than I, wanted the tracklist to be a random selection out of 8-10 songs. There's an argument for this as well as an extension of what I just mentioned. I'm vomiting all of this up in one bullet point because it basically runs directly at odds to Haste's request for the 6-song soundtrack.

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Other than that, as long as I can infer that there is not a total redesign of the contest, I can begin preparing nominations and telling folks what to expect. I had held off until now for fear there might be some major overhaul -- which I would be totally okay with, by the way.


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NFUN
09/28/22 11:07:34 PM
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azuarc posted...
Did you typo this, or did you mean to say that any game in the last contest should try to come up with a completely unique set of tracks? Guess we won't be nominating VVVVVV, then. (I know you're not framing this as a hard rule, but I still want to try to obey the spirit of the contest.)
if you can, try to.

azuarc posted...
Anyway, there's definitely some weird stuff that happens with use of the alternate. It gets played for first tiebreakers, which was the primary use, but then because loser's brackets inherently have more rounds than winner's brackets, it pulled double duty in the later parts of the LB. You may want to look at how the late rounds of the LB could play out, because there's room at that stage of the bracket for wanting multiple alternates. I know I pulled some weird bullshit for how to pick songs in those matches, like whichever song had the most decisive win earlier in the contest, or randomly making it a 3v3, etc.
how about this. Given the philosophy "random is fun", you can select up to say 5 tracks as your alternates, and which is used in a given tiebreaker is a roll of the dice. Maybe with a minimum of 1, maybe with higher. If you can only field the minimum or only feel you can support it, that's what you do, but it carries with it the penalty of people getting fatigued of hearing the same song from it over again and having its performance crippled in any other ties it might get into. I do think the set of main songs and the set of alternates can be kept separate

azuarc posted...
Other than that, as long as I can infer that there is not a total redesign of the contest, I can begin preparing nominations and telling folks what to expect. I had held off until now for fear there might be some major overhaul -- which I would be totally okay with, by the way.
I think uf8 had Opinions but those might've just been for VGMC. I think everybody was pretty cool with how it went, more or less, so I don't think many people are likely to pop up with radical ideas. You're probably safe to start advertising and planning

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Chaeix
09/28/22 11:22:16 PM
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the first game that popped into mind was one that i didn't nominate a single thing for in vgmc oops

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Haste_2
09/28/22 11:40:38 PM
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Chaeix posted...
the first game that popped into mind was one that i didn't nominate a single thing for in vgmc oops

Think of BOST as a chance to give your game's music exposure. Then the chances of getting its music in VGMC will be better!

NFUN posted...
Seashore Probe ~ Wopal (Battle)
Mothership Probe (Scenery)
Unfathomable Darkness
Yggdrasil
LEYGENDER
STRUGGLE TO LIVE
The Whole New World (Full)

What a pleasant surprise!

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UF8
09/28/22 11:53:15 PM
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NFUN posted...
I think uf8 had Opinions but those might've just been for VGMC.
yeah that was the case

my one real Opinion was that i didn't want to be screwed into only getting 3 games into the snubs bracket when i had 6 that would've qualified last time, due to a system that was meant to "help" those with less noms in the main bracket (i had none)
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FL81
09/29/22 12:44:44 AM
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SaoriKobayashi posted...
New Fucking User Name
the mystery is finally solved

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andylt
09/29/22 9:39:06 AM
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tag i guess

Not sure how this works but i will watch the video and read the rules accordingly! I have some games in mind. When is noms?

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NFUN
09/29/22 9:47:15 AM
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Nov 1

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azuarc
09/29/22 9:58:11 AM
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andylt posted...
i will watch the video

lmk if anything I said was unclear. I noticed I did say VGMC at one point when I meant to say BOST.

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FL81
09/30/22 7:13:22 PM
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SaoriKobayashi posted...
I suggest going back to full randomness, which could be more natural in a sense. Plus, random is fun as a general rule
This will be less stressful for nominators, trying to min-max song order
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Haste_2
09/30/22 8:25:13 PM
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Yes, it would certainly make things less stressful during nominations. The downside is that we could have the strongest song in one setlist going up against the weakest of another setlist. It's true that the double-elimination bracket is a partial solution to that problem, but....

I thought of an additional solution: songs get ordered like before, but it's not up to the discretion of the nominator-- it's decided by volunteers who rate (or rank) each song they come across during nominations, for given setlists. (not everyone would be required to do it) And the order of the setlists would then be determined by the average rating.

Then we could either decide pairings by exact ranking in the setlists (no randomness), or we could still decide to have some degree of randomness (but not too much, otherwise it defeats the purpose of the above paragraph) in the pairings if we wanted. Like, perhaps we could allow a maximum difference of one (referring to order in the setlist) in a given pairing, if that made people feel better for some reason (e.g. a #1 vs. #2 or a #2 vs. #3 are allowed, but not a #1 vs. #3).


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azuarc
10/01/22 2:12:47 AM
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Any of those ideas would inevitably lead to difficulty late in the bracket when one finalist's only song left is their #1 and the other's is their #6. Which is why I suggested that everyone ranks them in order, but the communal sequence they get played in will be revealed only after the bracket is revealed.

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Plasman
10/01/22 11:43:38 AM
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It's a valid idea, just...outside of the fact i feel this is very much overestimating the existence of these loyal volunteers who will listen to all 7 tracks in these setlists and rank each of them, not to mention without bias
Youd need at least 3 or 4 for every game for it to be worth, i think, and idk
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NFUN
10/01/22 12:01:47 PM
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Plasman posted...
It's a valid idea, just...outside of the fact i feel this is very much overestimating the existence of these loyal volunteers who will listen to all 7 tracks in these setlists and rank each of them, not to mention without bias
Youd need at least 3 or 4 for every game for it to be worth, i think, and idk
yeah who could find 3 or 4 people listen through the setlists that got 3 or 4 supports to get into the contest

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Plasman
10/01/22 12:07:49 PM
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NFUN posted...
yeah who could find 3 or 4 people listen through the setlists that got 3 or 4 supports to get into the contest

I mean, I was assuming that wasn't the intent, as that doesn't feel like it'd be much different from just the original nominator ranking the songs in the first place
But I guess itd still help a couple things maybe
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NFUN
10/02/22 5:47:14 PM
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I don't think volunteers ranking really matters since they should already be coming to a consensus on the order when making the setlist to support and such. Formalizing it seems kind of extra since

I do like the idea of having them be ordered but how that order appears be random a lot better than how we did last time; though it does to an extent have the same issue, you'd have to either gamble or hedge to take advantage of it, and given that, if I clarified that you must ingenuously order the songs based on what you and your supporters think is best to worst, that issue would probably mostly vanish. I still think I prefer true random over it, but definitely not by much

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TeamRocketElite
10/02/22 8:28:21 PM
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NFUN posted...

yeah who could find 3 or 4 people listen through the setlists that got 3 or 4 supports to get into the contest


People who support a game don't necessarily look at the songs in the setlist before casting their support.

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NFUN
10/02/22 9:53:05 PM
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TeamRocketElite posted...
People who support a game don't necessarily look at the songs in the setlist before casting their support.
no, but they can easily be coerced to help order the list of songs they approved

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FL81
10/06/22 2:30:34 PM
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So when do nominations start?

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NFUN
10/06/22 2:41:41 PM
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NFUN posted...
Nov 1


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azuarc
10/06/22 4:03:17 PM
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I had this stupid thought earlier that the finals, where we've classically picked 3 out of the 6 songs and the winner had to take a best of 3 match, should be chosen randomly from the entire soundtrack.

Yeah, I can just imagine how badly that could go.

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NFUN
10/06/22 4:04:51 PM
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i love that idea but i'm also a monster

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UF8
10/07/22 7:33:04 AM
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clearly what you need to do for finals is pick songs from a sequel to the game in question and if it doesn't have one it automatically loses
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NFUN
10/07/22 8:08:24 AM
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UF8 posted...
clearly what you need to do for finals is pick songs from a sequel to the game in question and if it doesn't have one it automatically loses
no no no. that's not fair. if it has no sequel choose a word from its title and pick a random song from a random game in vgmdb that also has that word

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rwlh
10/08/22 11:16:50 AM
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post-vgmc champ ranking topic bump
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NFUN
10/08/22 11:17:35 AM
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bost

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azuarc
10/11/22 6:55:32 PM
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The folks in the supra server have been getting pretty excited about putting setlists together. I hope we'll have some good participation.

Is anyone else actively planning out lists that they want to share? We could plan some kind of listening events on B8cord, too, assuming merely posting the prospective list for feedback isn't sufficient.

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NFUN
10/11/22 6:56:32 PM
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I've got a bunch of lists. I've kind of been hoping that the server would get forums added so I could plan them in there, though if we don't in a week or so I'll just use threads

i am always down to force people to listen to my songs so i can choose

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pyresword
10/11/22 7:06:47 PM
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I have my strategically idiotic setlist of 7 favorites from a game I'll nominate on the last day if nobody else picks it first >.>

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PIayer_0
10/15/22 1:31:11 AM
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Just finished catching up, I very much support BOST being the fun and random sister contest to VGMC with its tradition and objectivity. I'm not picky with how we achieve that; as I understand it we could either randomize per game (Umineko gets 3-5-2-4-1-6, Shatter gets 2-1-5-6-4-3) or roll a contest-wide order when making the bracket (all games get 3-5-2-4-1-6). Both do away with the extra work of ordering your nomination setlist, which I like!

azuarc did mention the interesting idea of having setlists ordered by strength like last time, but also use the contest-wide random order - you'd get the consistency of all #3-strongest facing off in R1, all #5-strongest in R2, and so on. Personally I think full random is more fun and less work! We already use small setlists in the spirit of convenience over true objectivity, and having my #6 face someone's #1 is why there's a losers bracket right? Actually, I haven't considered how randomization would fit with double elimination but I'm sure it'll get figured out.

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TeamRocketElite
10/15/22 1:45:53 AM
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Random song selected for each match.
A song can't be selected again until every song has had a turn.
If a song loses, it is fully removed from rotation so a game can't lose twice with the same song.

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UF8
10/15/22 7:18:32 AM
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oh yeah i forgot that as somebody who had my best (snubs) set die to an unfortunate 2v3 matchup last time i'd rather that not happen again tbh

for the main bracket i guess it's not a big deal since there's still the losers safety net but definitely would rather non-randomised snubs specifically (maaaaybe something like 456-321 just so it's not super brutal on ones that drop off a bit by 6 and don't get to show off some better songs)
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NFUN
10/15/22 10:35:45 AM
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TeamRocketElite posted...
Random song selected for each match.
A song can't be selected again until every song has had a turn.
If a song loses, it is fully removed from rotation so a game can't lose twice with the same song.

UF8 posted...
oh yeah i forgot that as somebody who had my best (snubs) set die to an unfortunate 2v3 matchup last time i'd rather that not happen again tbh

for the main bracket i guess it's not a big deal since there's still the losers safety net but definitely would rather non-randomised snubs specifically (maaaaybe something like 456-321 just so it's not super brutal on ones that drop off a bit by 6 and don't get to show off some better songs)
I think I'm going with these.

The bracket system I'm settled on for the moment is:
  • Nominators choose 6 main songs, then some number (>=1) of side songs for tiebreakers/losers
  • In the main bracket, for each game, a random song is selected--a different # for each game
  • Each song can only be used once until all songs from it have been selected
  • In losers', a random song from the top 3 is selected for each game
  • If a match ties, or a game runs out of songs, a random song from its secondary pool is selected
  • When a game has used all of its songs, its list is refreshed. If it lost a match, the song it lost by is not in the new pool


I think this balanced fairness and randomization, without putting too high an importance on ordering. Some flaws might be revealed by wargaming it but it seems pretty resilient from the scenarios I can think of. If a song is unlucky, it'll get a break later, and if a song coasts by getting its strongest entries first, if it falls it'll be primed to get eaten in losers'. Maybe only some songs should get refreshed so having more backups is incentivized but that might be too complicated or esoteric

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NFUN
10/15/22 10:37:11 AM
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also tomorrow night at 8 we'll be doing listening parties of songs/sets, and probably the two weeks after too

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Haste_2
10/15/22 5:44:30 PM
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Cool stuff!

At first, I was a bit worried of the idea of having more than seven songs because I assumed they would all be on the same setlist, which would put games with small soundtracks at a disadvantage from the outset. But having a secondary pool after the initial six or seven songs get used... that sounds good! And I really like the idea of 1/2/3's being the focal point of the losers bracket, as it increases the overall quality of the matches. Last contest there were loads of games that never got a chance to use any of their top three. Anyway, with the winner's bracket being completely random in conjuction to how the loser's bracket works, we now have an actual incentive to keep the top three strongest tracks in the top three of the setlist.

And as for tiebreakers using music from the secondary list...I guess that's fine. It opens up a lot more potential music to be used, which could be fun. It's definitely better than the old way of doing tiebreakers!

Overall, the new system of setting up matches seems to be a huge improvement over BOST5! I'm still a bit worried about a potential large increase in nominations, though. In BOST5 we had 175 nominated games. I'm expecting at least 225 games this time if nominations are done the same as last time. We had a cap of seven nominations per user in BOST5. Should it be dropped to five or six this time around so we're not as overwhelmed with all the music to go through? (and also... please don't remove the snubs bracket!)


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UF8
10/15/22 5:54:09 PM
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NFUN posted...
also tomorrow night at 8 we'll be doing listening parties of songs/sets, and probably the two weeks after too
oh is it audience participation sharing or did someone specific book
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NFUN
10/15/22 5:57:16 PM
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Haste_2 posted...
Overall, the new system of setting up matches seems to be a huge improvement over BOST5! I'm still a bit worried about a potential large increase in nominations, though. In BOST5 we had 175 nominated games. I'm expecting at least 225 games this time if nominations are done the same as last time. We had a cap of seven nominations per user in BOST5. Should it be dropped to five or six this time around so we're not as overwhelmed with all the music to go through? (and also... please don't remove the snubs bracket!)
yeah that's probably a good call. I'll tentatively say noms are capped at 5 and it can be raised if needed

UF8 posted...
oh is it audience participation sharing or did someone specific book
the former

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UF8
10/15/22 5:59:17 PM
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cool beans i'll go work out a thing probably, i kinda want to get views on a few ones i'd started preparing sets for a long while back (eg pokemon hgss probably)
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Chaeix
10/15/22 11:14:18 PM
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wait so how many songs should we be preparing for a game

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UF8
10/15/22 11:31:50 PM
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Chaeix posted...
wait so how many songs should we be preparing for a game

NFUN posted...
6 main songs, then some number (>=1) of side songs

(specifically 7 would probably suffice but if something like gets in like multiple tiebreakers and/or goes through a ton of loser's bracket rounds any number higher than that would be ideal, i might personally go for like 8 or 9 per set but yeah it's not very high odds of more than 7 being a necessity for any given nomination)
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