Poll of the Day > It's disturbing how common it is for people to think the moonlanding was fake

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I thought people said it as a joke but I have multiple classmates that truly believe it was a coverup. I also heard a dj on a popular local station question it on air a few weeks ago (station probably got some calls about that one)

It's because Stanley Kubrick was hired to film a moon landing in case something happened to the promised live feed, it's even postulated that some stations ran the Kubrick footage in leiu of the NASA feed, based off contemporary reports.

Kubrick spent the rest of his life worried the Nixon or the CIA would off him, probably shortened his life because of the stress it caused him.

It was in the CIA's interests to foster and amplify the whole idea and a movie with Rupert Grint was made about it.

Mensis posted...

I thought people said it as a joke but I have multiple classmates that truly believe it was a coverup. I also heard a dj on a popular local station question it on air a few weeks ago (station probably got some calls about that one)

Many (possibly 'most', although I hope not) people either aren't capable of thinking or they choose not to think and just believe whatever is most amusing at the time. The more ridiculous the claim the better. See Trump and everything related to Trump (although the left isn't free of this).

I literally hate conspiracy theories lmfao. spending a couple of years with a person who entertains all of them makes you see how truly utterly banally lame they really are.

It's also disturbing how most of those people who entertain one stupid thing will entertain all stupid things. Mention digital currency to one of those moon-landing people, and see how many bite lol

I knew someone who believed it was fake but also believed that when it happened, we found aliens on the dark side of the moon.

HornedLion posted...

I knew someone who believed it was fake but also believed that when it happened, we found aliens on the dark side of the moon.

yeah man that was in 1973!!!!!

HornedLion posted...

I knew someone who believed it was fake but also believed that when it happened, we found aliens on the dark side of the moon.

They should have put an alien on that album cover.

HornedLion posted...

I knew someone who believed it was fake but also believed that when it happened, we found aliens on the dark side of the moon.

A major plot point of Dr. McNinja revolved around a mayor who prepped the town for a zombie apocalypse, based off an actual NASA astronaut who did such, because of whatever he saw while up there.

People believe a lot of crazy shit

joemodda posted...

People believe a lot of crazy shit

Like any of the secret societies actually control anything, when in reality they have just as much problems even organising a dinner party as the rest of us.

Human stupidity is an infinite and eternal pool. If you ever doubt that fact, go spend about 20 minutes on Twitter.

There was a documentary on FOX in the 90's or early 2000's, I think it was just called Conspiracy Theory, about the moon landing hoax. I'll admit I was ready to believe the hoax after watching that, but then I searched the internet and found that all the claims in the documentary were easily debunked bullshit. The type of people who believe that also believe the Earth is flat and NASA is hiding God in the firmament.

KodyKeir posted...

Like any of the secret societies actually control anything, when in reality they have just as much problems even organising a dinner party as the rest of us.

And the corporations and individuals that do control way too much of the government do so quite openly.

kind9 posted...

Earth is flat

Flat Earth is kind of in a league of its own when it comes to conspiracy theories because most of the adherents can't even provide a motivation for it and the sheer scale of people that would need to be involved is absurd.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I literally hate conspiracy theories lmfao. spending a couple of years with a person who entertains all of them makes you see how truly utterly banally lame they really are.

wow youre so smart

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Human stupidity is an infinite and eternal pool. If you ever doubt that fact, go spend about 20 minutes on Twitter.

Sometimes it doesnt even take that long!

PO loves to complain about Twitter lol

I'll argue on the side of ignorance here for fun, but how can any of us prove it was real?

ReturnOfFa posted...

I literally hate conspiracy theories lmfao. spending a couple of years with a person who entertains all of them makes you see how truly utterly banally lame they really are.

But just because one or even most conspiracy theories are bs doesn't mean all of them are unfounded. For instance, I think conspiracy theories surrounding the pentagon being hit have some credibility

GanglyKhan posted...

how can any of us prove it was real?

Using the scientific method and Occam's razor.

It is consistent with my other hypotheses regarding which information sources, authorities, and elements of my education appear reliable...and I DO continually recheck that. It would also violate Occam's razor to believe that all of those sources could be untrue AND that multiple large government entities could successfully keep a secret that large for sixty years (or minutes).

OhhhJa posted...

But just because one or even most conspiracy theories are bs doesn't mean all of them are unfounded.

No, but in general the wilder the claim the less likely that it's true.

OhhhJa posted...

pentagon being hit

What's this one now?

wpot posted...

What's this one now?

The pentagon being hit on 9/11

Specifically, the theory that it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon

wpot posted...

Occam's razor.

This alone proves nothing though and is very subjective to change based on what we *do* know about the world. Trust me, I believe we put dudes up there in space, but what I am saying is how can I, personally, verify that? There is no way to. It's all based on trust from accounts of people who lived during that timeframe.

Hmmm: it would be a high hurdle to convince me of something else there. You think it was something different than the other attacks ongoing that day? And that it was either preplanned (implying all of the attacks were staged) or manufactured instantly as the crisis was unfolding such that every witness could give the same story? And what would the motivation be?

GanglyKhan posted...

It's all based on trust from accounts of people who lived during that timeframe.

I know what you're trying to say, but if you discount every reliable source then you know nothing other than what you have experienced and history is 100% unknowable. Occam's razor isn't perfect, but you need to use some tools to figure out what is most likely true: there is disinformation out there but giving up is the wrong approach.

wpot posted...

I know what you're trying to say, but if you discount every reliable source then you know nothing other than what you have experienced and history doesn't exist.

Exactly, we're on the same page with this one then, hahaha. It just has always kind of horrified me to think that the far past could be completely maufactured and nobody would know any better. Still, at the end of the day, I am going to tend to my business in the here and now.

rjsilverthorn posted...

Flat Earth is kind of in a league of its own when it comes to conspiracy theories because most of the adherents can't even provide a motivation for it and the sheer scale of people that would need to be involved is absurd.

It's because I don't think people realize what the actual reason is. All of the garbage science is just a justification for their belief.
The belief is that The Bible is true, and big government is coming to get Christians again, and their beliefs. One of the truths of the bible, is that the earth is flat. So the government is going through all of these methods and rigmarole to persecute christians.
By engaging with it, you're letting them making make arguments and argue Their Truth.

as a devout center-leftist, i choose to believe the official narrative on all matters.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

as a devout center-leftist, i choose to believe the official narrative on all matters.

What if the narrative comes from the right? As it did from 2000-2008 and again from 2016-2020? lol I will never understand you idpol types.

shadowsword87 posted...

It's because I don't think people realize what the actual reason is. All of the garbage science is just a justification for their belief.
The belief is that The Bible is true, and big government is coming to get Christians again, and their beliefs. One of the truths of the bible, is that the earth is flat. So the government is going through all of these methods and rigmarole to persecute christians.
By engaging with it, you're letting them making make arguments and argue Their Truth.

The Bible doesn't say the earth is flat.

GanglyKhan posted...

What if the narrative comes from the right? As it did from 2000-2008 and again from 2016-2020? lol I will never understand you idpol types.

i only believe the center-left narrative

GanglyKhan posted...

I'll argue on the side of ignorance here for fun, but how can any of us prove it was real?

There are laser reflectors we left on the surface, we can fire a powerful laser and use the time it takes for a return signal to verify the distance between the laser and reflector.

OhhhJa posted...

The pentagon being hit on 9/11

Specifically, the theory that it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon

There is a Major General Stubblebine (think I spelled it right) while spent his entire career analyzing photos to determine and identify a wide variety of objects of interest to the military; it is his claim that the object that struck the Pentagon was not a plane but a missile. The implication being that the passengers listed as being aboard the flight were intelligence operators, publicly disappeared to hide covert operations.

This trope dates back to a movie from the seventies or the eighties about a TSA agent investigating crashes were he believes the passengers were swapped out for corpses just before the crash, and uncovers a time traveling Noah's Ark to save humanity. Sherlock did an episode (and a few that led to it) with a similar plot, empty passenger plane, passengers already dead... Couple of other instances I think. Even some of the Malaysian Airlines crashes had some theories along those lines. It props up with air crashes from time to time quite frequently.

Based off the general and just the security footage of the impact, I can understand the desire to believe, but when you look at the photos of the impact site and inspect the damage during the fire and after, it's clearly a passenger plane that impacted.

KodyKeir posted...

There is a Major General Stubblebine (think I spelled it right) while spent his entire career analyzing photos to determine and identify a wide variety of objects of interest to the military; it is his claim that the object that struck the Pentagon was not a plane but a missile. The implication being that the passengers listed as being aboard the flight were intelligence operators, publicly disappeared to hide covert operations.

This trope dates back to a movie from the seventies or the eighties about a TSA agent investigating crashes were he believes the passengers were swapped out for corpses just before the crash, and uncovers a time traveling Noah's Ark to save humanity. Sherlock did an episode (and a few that led to it) with a similar plot, empty passenger plane, passengers already dead... Couple of other instances I think. Even some of the Malaysian Airlines crashes had some theories along those lines. It props up with air crashes from time to time quite frequently.

Based off the general and just the security footage of the impact, I can understand the desire to believe, but when you look at the photos of the impact site and inspect the damage during the fire and after, it's clearly a passenger plane that impacted.

Yeeeaaah...I suspected something of this sort. To say nothing of, you know, the several other identical attacks proceeding at the same time.

kind9 posted...

The type of people who believe that also believe the Earth is flat

Anyone who claims to actually believe this is just trolling

kind9 posted...

There was a documentary on FOX in the 90's or early 2000's, I think it was just called Conspiracy Theory, about the moon landing hoax.

There was also a "documentary" on FOX in the 90s called "Alien Autopsy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_autopsy



DirtBasedSoap posted...

PO loves to complain about Twitter lol

To be fair, I complain about a lot of things. And it's not as if I'm the only person who points out what a cesspool Twitter is.

Also, you love to complain about me, so what does that say about you?

wpot posted...

Yeeeaaah...I suspected something of this sort. To say nothing of, you know, the several other identical attacks proceeding at the same time.

Part of the conspiracy included the downed flight 93 into the Pennsylvania field, that it was supposed to hit the pentagon, and when it didn't, the US launched a missile strike against the pentagon.

Common wisdom says they were going to strike the White House, I have seen evidence to suggest they were planning to strike Sears Tower (now Willis Tower) in Chicago to further demonstrate the engineering flaw exposed by the collapse of the twin towers in New York.

Revelation34 posted...

The Bible doesn't say the earth is flat.

Then why are so many flat earth documentaries funded by predominantly christian forward organizations?

Also, it doesn't say that. But, that doesn't mean that it's a belief among people that the bible does say the earth is flat.

Hell, how many people have you seen talk about "Bibically Accurate Angels" and are referencing The Book of Enoch, which (basically) every christian church has excluded from their canon? That's not from the bible people have read, people just assumed it did and moved on.

What exists vs what people assume exists are very different things when it comes to the bible.

shadowsword87 posted...

Hell, how many people have you seen talk about "Bibically Accurate Angels" and are referencing The Book of Enoch, which (basically) every christian church has excluded from their canon?

Only if I happen to be talking near a mirror. They are objectively great and terrible, horrifying even. Final Fantasy has some interesting interpretations in some of there classic monster archetypes, Sephiroth a famous example.

shadowsword87 posted...

Then why are so many flat earth documentaries funded by predominantly christian forward organizations?

Also, it doesn't say that. But, that doesn't mean that it's a belief among people that the bible does say the earth is flat.

Hell, how many people have you seen talk about "Bibically Accurate Angels" and are referencing The Book of Enoch, which (basically) every christian church has excluded from their canon? That's not from the bible people have read, people just assumed it did and moved on.

What exists vs what people assume exists are very different things when it comes to the bible.

Because they like to use implications and inferences as "statements of fact".

KodyKeir posted...

I have seen evidence to suggest they were planning to strike Sears Tower (now Willis Tower) in Chicago to further demonstrate the engineering flaw exposed by the collapse of the twin towers in New York.

Ah yes, terrorists who sacrifice their lives and kill hundreds to highlight structural design flaws: makes perfect sense.

wpot posted...

Ah yes, terrorists who sacrifice their lives and kill hundreds to highlight structural design flaws: makes perfect sense.

It was the basis of the second WTC attack planning, after the bombing in the nineties (had it been larger or in the right place, the entire complex would have come down then) they looked at the math and determined that a plane with most of its full reserves, flying into a sufficiently tall enough building, between 1/3 to a 1/4 of the way from the top, will cause enough structural damage to cause a catastrophic failure.

There are several factors that led to the unprecedented pancake collapse of the complex, but it is likely that it is repeatable with the right buildings. We kind of ignore and gloss over the reasons for the complete collapse of the entire complex or how vulnerable we are from a dedicated individual.

I'm going to bet against the terrorists finding the building plans and doing the math. I will instead bet on them saying "hey, the WTC, Pentagon, and Capitol building would make great symbolic targets". If they were trying to cause maximum damage they would have avoided the Pentagon, which is designed specifically to mitigate damage from such strikes. I'm sure they weren't disappointed to see the towers fall, but I doubt they had calcs in the drawer. And if I had to guess I would say the towers were probably the target they were least interested in of the three.

Anyways, yes, we have vulnerabilities...but skyscrapers aren't the biggest. A packed stadium would cause more carnage...and this will all look like nothing once some nut gets their hands on a nuke. It's inevitable that will happen sooner or later. Maybe sooner rather than later if you count Putin.

wpot posted...

I'm going to bet against the terrorists finding the building plans and doing the math

Guy was an engineering student at German Polytechnic. Doesn't take much to get a hold of basic architectural plans.

There is a height limit, above that limit, a building compromised in the right way, at the right height will cause the building to collapse into itself under its own weight. Yeah a stadium is an easier target but it has been demonstrated what kind of chaos can be caused by taking down a supertall structure.

wpot posted...

I'm going to bet against the terrorists finding the building plans and doing the math. I will instead bet on them saying "hey, the WTC, Pentagon, and Capitol building would make great symbolic targets". If they were trying to cause maximum damage they would have avoided the Pentagon, which is designed specifically to mitigate damage from such strikes. I'm sure they weren't disappointed to see the towers fall, but I doubt they had calcs in the drawer. And if I had to guess I would say the towers were probably the target they were least interested in of the three.

Anyways, yes, we have vulnerabilities...but skyscrapers aren't the biggest. A packed stadium would cause more carnage...and this will all look like nothing once some nut gets their hands on a nuke. It's inevitable that will happen sooner or later. Maybe sooner rather than later if you count Putin.

Uh huh.

Maybe so, but I still bet not.

I'm a civil engineer, and as a student I certainly wouldn't have been capable of structurally analyzing a building for the cascading effects of a unique dynamic load.

Doesn't even have to be a real nuke, a dirty bomb can be more devestating psychologically to the populace and leadership. Makes the lone wolf threats all the scarier.

wpot posted...

Maybe so, but I still bet not.

I'm a civil engineer, and as a student I certainly wouldn't have been capable of structurally analyzing a building for the cascading effects of a unique dynamic load.

Kid was a genius but was marginalized because he was devout Muslim, easy prey for radicalization. Really is a sad story, but ultimately he decided to take the lives of others, does not matter his reasons, his intent was terror of innocents.

OhhhJa posted...

But just because one or even most conspiracy theories are bs doesn't mean all of them are unfounded. For instance, I think conspiracy theories surrounding the pentagon being hit have some credibility

They don't. Any dumb fucking conspiracy theory anyone brings up is literally garbage. The Pentagon Conspiracies are abject trash. As are the Tower 7 theories, no clue if you're thick enough to believe those ones.

shadowsword87 posted...

Then why are so many flat earth documentaries funded by predominantly christian forward organizations?

Also, it doesn't say that. But, that doesn't mean that it's a belief among people that the bible does say the earth is flat.

Hell, how many people have you seen talk about "Bibically Accurate Angels" and are referencing The Book of Enoch, which (basically) every christian church has excluded from their canon? That's not from the bible people have read, people just assumed it did and moved on.

What exists vs what people assume exists are very different things when it comes to the bible.

Fundamentalist Christians and Flat Earthers just tend to coalesce because they are equally braindead.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Any dumb fucking conspiracy theory anyone brings up is literally garbage.

Iran Contra

Before it was public knowledge, it was a "conspiracy theory"; the CIA actively promotes them as part of cointelpro (the doctrine of, not the actual FBI op)