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rexcrk
09/22/22 10:26:50 AM
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from the French word autompne and later, the Latin autumnus

USA: WE CALL IT FALL BECAUSE LEAF FALL DOWN


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hera
09/22/22 10:38:07 AM
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both autumn and fall originate from britain

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/22/22 10:41:56 AM
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Okay, but you call it supper or dinner?

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Metalsonic66
09/22/22 11:52:53 AM
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The Fall of Man

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Judgmenl
09/22/22 12:00:15 PM
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? I call it both.
Why are you so bigoted?

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Nichtcrawler-X
09/22/22 12:00:54 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Okay, but you call it supper or dinner?

Those are not the same thing right?

Edit: should have realized it was that simple, Dinner is fancy/formal, Supper is not.

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Vampire_Chicken
09/22/22 12:50:25 PM
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Point of order: We largely call things what we do because that's just the way we've been brought up and it's what we're used to, right or wrong.
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Garlands_Soul
09/22/22 1:11:27 PM
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I too have seen social media funnies

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FrozenBananas
09/22/22 1:21:21 PM
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Just as many people in the US call it Autumn

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PK_Spam
09/22/22 1:23:29 PM
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Garlands_Soul posted...
I too have seen social media funnies


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rexcrk
09/22/22 1:48:01 PM
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Garlands_Soul posted...
I too have seen social media funnies


Only took seven posts.


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Antbregante
09/22/22 2:49:23 PM
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Autumn's sweet, we call it fall
I'll make it to the moon if I have to crawl
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11110111011
09/22/22 3:17:21 PM
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Autumn and Fall are interchangeable. I use both terms.
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keyblader1985
09/22/22 3:22:51 PM
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We do indeed use both. Also
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/5/AAHsOgAADs71.jpg

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hera
09/22/22 4:26:57 PM
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the term fall existed before america

again,

hera posted...
both autumn and fall originate from britain

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Lil_Bit83
09/22/22 5:07:55 PM
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I'm from the US and I use both. Autumn is the prettier word.

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ParanoidObsessive
09/22/22 7:37:08 PM
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rexcrk posted...
from the French word autompne and later, the Latin autumnus

USA: WE CALL IT FALL BECAUSE LEAF FALL DOWN

I'm from the US, and I've always called it both Fall and Autumn more or less interchangeably. Except when trying to do a pun involving multiple definitions of the word "fall" in a context that makes me seem clever.

The real question is, if the season is Autumn vis-a-vis the Autumnal Equinox, why is the season of the Vernal Equinox "Spring"? English screws that one up as well.

Though at least it's better than "printemps" - the French suck.



hera posted...
both autumn and fall originate from britain

They're also the ones who named their favorite sport "soccer", but that hasn't stopped them from whining about it for the last 100 years.

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Nichtcrawler-X
09/22/22 7:40:02 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...


They're also the ones who named their favorite sport "soccer", but that hasn't stopped them from whining about it for the last 100 years.

Are you talking about football?

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ParanoidObsessive
09/22/22 8:34:50 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Are you talking about football?

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Yes, we all get it, you're belligerently European.

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Vampire_Chicken
09/23/22 5:11:02 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
They're also the ones who named their favorite sport "soccer", but that hasn't stopped them from whining about it for the last 100 years.
Um, point of order: almost all of us call it "football". I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life that I've heard anyone in dear old Britland call it "soccer".
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ParanoidObsessive
09/23/22 5:27:20 PM
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Vampire_Chicken posted...
Um, point of order: almost all of us call it "football". I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life that I've heard anyone in dear old Britland call it "soccer".

Might want to reread what I wrote there and think about it for a bit.

Maybe even look up the etymology of the word and see where it actually came from (hint: it wasn't the US).

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Vampire_Chicken
09/23/22 5:43:27 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Might want to reread what I wrote there and think about it for a bit.
Ohhhhhh. Gotcha!

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Well, all right, that was a lie. I'm still not quite sure what you were getting at. Me, I'm just trying to correct the fuzzy impression that many Americans seem to have gotten that a lot of us Brits call it "soccer". We invented the word all right, but it was never popular in everyday usage.

I did look up the origin of the word though, and I feel slightly more enlightened than I did about ten minutes ago. I suppose we should be grateful that it was pronounced "socker" rather than "soasher".
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ParanoidObsessive
09/23/22 6:15:22 PM
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Vampire_Chicken posted...
We invented the word all right, but it was never popular in everyday usage.

It was popular for 80 fucking years.

It wasn't really until the 1960s that there was major blowback on calling it soccer in England. At which point the English started trying to convince everyone else to exclusively call it football only and not soccer, which has mostly led to them getting pissed off when the US doesn't want to play along. And the US never really saw the point of changing it because we'd already been calling it soccer (just like everyone else) for decades at that point, and already had our own version of football. So we preferred the alternate name because it cut down on confusion (and we never really gave much of a shit about soccer in the first place).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_association_football#Reaction_against_soccer

It's only really become an issue in the last 20 years or so, because with the growth of the Internet everyone always wants to throw childish tantrums about it in spite of barely having any idea what the hell they're talking about. And Brits and Europeans always seem to get pissy about the fact that someone, somewhere in the world still calls Association Football "soccer".

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Vampire_Chicken
09/26/22 10:55:09 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
It was popular for 80 fucking years.
Then I stand corrected. It certainly hasn't been popular currency during my own lifetime, and I'm old enough to be liable to fall to bits in a high wind.

I'd point out that the Wiki article says "soccer" was a term used by the upper class, whereas the working and middle classes preferred the term "football". So OK, "soccer" might have been popular among the upper class for 80 fucking years, but maybe less and less so among the majority of fans who traditionally watched and played it after 1914.

At any rate, Americans are perfectly at liberty to call it by its original name, and it makes sense for them to distinguish the British version of football from the American version in that way. All I'm saying is: while Americans should continue to feel free to do so, they might be interested to know that most Brits no longer call it that and we haven't done for maybe half a century. Just a tip, in the interests of furthering cultural awareness. OK?
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Nichtcrawler-X
09/26/22 11:16:49 AM
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Football and American Football, Hockey and Ice Hockey. Very simple really.

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Sufferedphoneix
09/26/22 11:25:32 AM
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As an American I wish we didnt call it football. Out version of football I mean.

Only times the foot touches the ball are kick offs extra point or last ditch attempt at making some points.

If I'm not mistaken does it not have more similarities to rugby then soccer? And even then still pretty different

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Vampire_Chicken
09/26/22 12:10:48 PM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
If I'm not mistaken does it not have more similarities to rugby then soccer? And even then still pretty different
It does. Well, American football and rugby both share the "pick up the ball with your hands and run with it" thing, certainly.

But if you had to rename American football, what would you rename it to? "Handball" sounds a bit dull. Powerball? Skullcrunchball?
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keyblader1985
09/26/22 12:23:05 PM
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Handegg

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ParanoidObsessive
09/26/22 12:57:43 PM
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Vampire_Chicken posted...
I'd point out that the Wiki article says "soccer" was a term used by the upper class, whereas the working and middle classes preferred the term "football".

The article also says it was more or less "interchangeable" until it started declining in popularity. In the 1960s. And mainly just because you hate your own upper class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVYA3oTG8fg

So in your parent's lifetime, there was absolutely a point in time when no one in Britain would have found calling it soccer all that weird or offensive or wrong at all. The ridiculous backlash against the idea isn't something that's always existed, but is something that had to slowly come into being over time. And relatively recently (at least compared to how long the sport itself has existed).



Vampire_Chicken posted...
All I'm saying is: while Americans should continue to feel free to do so, they might be interested to know that most Brits no longer call it that and we haven't done for maybe half a century. Just a tip, in the interests of furthering cultural awareness. OK?

Then in the interests of cultural awareness, most Brits should probably stop acting like the term is something that Americans randomly came up with just to troll them, or because Americans are too stupid to understand how sports work. If you can't be bothered to know the history of your own sport, why should we care about your opinions?

Most of us are fully aware that everyone else calls soccer "football" (at least those of us who care that soccer even exists in the first place). Most of us also don't really give a shit (about the sport or what anyone else calls it).

And beyond everything else, the original point still stands - you still named it that in the first place.



Sufferedphoneix posted...
If I'm not mistaken does it not have more similarities to rugby then soccer? And even then still pretty different

And rugby's actual technical name is "Rugby Football" (in the same way that soccer is "Association Football". So guess how American football got the name in the first place.

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Vampire_Chicken
09/26/22 1:38:38 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Then in the interests of cultural awareness, most Brits should probably stop acting like the term is something that Americans randomly came up with just to troll them.
Maybe a few younger, louder, dumber, more insular Brits might. "Most" Brits don't. I've never met anyone who believed the word "soccer" was actually coined by Americans. (Maybe I just don't move in the wrong circles.) That kind of ignorance must be a generational thing; it's got to be, as you say, a pretty recent phenomenon.
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wwinterj25
09/26/22 2:27:03 PM
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Yeah Autumn is what I call it and Football is what the USA at least call Soccer. Don't get me started on crisps being called chips. You ask for chips in England you're not getting "chips". You're not getting fries too. Biscuits is also a interesting one. They are more like scones it seems in the USA. Although scones and gravy sounds gross so I'm not sure.
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Sufferedphoneix
09/27/22 6:59:25 AM
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Vampire_Chicken posted...
It does. Well, American football and rugby both share the "pick up the ball with your hands and run with it" thing, certainly.

But if you had to rename American football, what would you rename it to? "Handball" sounds a bit dull. Powerball? Skullcrunchball?

Grid iron football is the right direction but grid iron rugby would probably be better.

keyblader1985 posted...
Handegg

I've said that before too. Jokingly

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