Board 8 > Could Donkey Kong defeat the Prince of Persia in a fight?

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as nominated by @redrocket

Arguments for the Prince:

• with the Dagger of Time, he can stop, slow, freeze, and rewind time, as well as see visions of the future
• unlike a certain other chronologically powered character DK's fought, he has actual combat skills, and is very capable acrobatically
• what's stopping him from rewinding this topic until he wins???

Arguments for DK:

• if he can catch the Prince, he can probably do a lot of damage
• without the Dagger of Time, the Prince is more limited in abilities
• if DK shoots the Prince, it's gonna hurt

Last topic was actually pretty close, but Ramza ran around screaming long enough to overpower DK. Today, a nomination inspired by the Max Caulfield topic, with a timely character who can actually fight. Can DK part the seas of time to win the day? Or is time not on his side?

Can only the prince use the dagger? So if DK manages to disarm him, can he use it?

I've never played a PoP game so I'd need to understand how its time travel mechanics work first, but it does seem like an uphill battle for DK

LeonhartFour posted...

I've never played a PoP game so I'd need to understand how its time travel mechanics work first, but it does seem like an uphill battle for DK

he can rewind time even while on the brink of death, usually by about ~5-10 seconds at a time, so he can undo most damage that he takes until his sands of time run out (which fill over time and also whenever he kills enemies)

not that he would even need to because the dude is basically a ninja warrior guy that's killed dudes much, much stronger than DK

and that's without taking into account his Dark Prince form into account (not sure if this is just Sands of Time Prince or what) but if he has that it goes from a one-sided fight to a massacre

PoP is like Max, but with actual legit fighting skill and a rewind that is much more broken. So, no, PoP wins.

Though, honestly, PoP is more like, say, an Ezio who happens to have time hax, so it may not even get to needing the time hax.

Arguments for the Prince:

• with the Dagger of Time, he can stop, slow, freeze, and rewind time, as well as see visions of the future
• unlike a certain other chronologically powered character DK's fought, he has actual combat skills, and is very capable acrobatically
• what's stopping him from rewinding this topic until he wins???

Arguments for DK:

• if he can catch the Prince, he can probably do a lot of damage
• without the Dagger of Time, the Prince is more limited in abilities
• if DK shoots the Prince, it's gonna hurt

Last topic was actually pretty close, but Ramza ran around screaming long enough to overpower DK. Today, a nomination inspired by the Max Caulfield topic, with a timely character who can actually fight. Can DK part the seas of time to win the day? Or is time not on his side?

I've never played a PoP game so I'd need to understand how its time travel mechanics work first, but it does seem like an uphill battle for DK

Prince would probably win just with Slow bullet time, let alone the whole "I died whoops I wound it back and now I'm fine" stuff

Absolutely. But only if he achieves nirvana by eating the Legendary Golden Banana and transports The Prince to the inner realm of the Golden Temple.

At that point, DK's in another dimension and has eaten from life itself, meaning that I don't think The Prince could land a fatal blow on life eternal.

But outside of that exact hypothetical, nah.

So, I think the biggest argument for DK, is the prince does actually have to have a path to beating DK. Rewinding time is only helpful if you can do something

iirc, in the games the prince's magical powers are fairly limited

• he can slow down time, but it's not like he moves faster- he just thinks faster, allowing him to time jumps more precisely
• he can cause enemies to move in slow motion- if he stabs them with his magic dagger first
• when rewinding time, it costs sand and he can only do it about 5 times total

aside from that, he's just an extremely athletic and acrobatic guy with sword training

in the cartoon logic/physics of a donkey kong fight, i think DK just OHKOs him- forcing a rewind- five times

if the setup includes a chance for the prince to rewind before the start of the match and then create an ambush he can win. otherwise, i don't see it

dk

banananor posted...

aside from that, he's just an extremely athletic and acrobatic guy with sword training

in the cartoon logic/physics of a donkey kong fight, i think DK just OHKOs him- forcing a rewind- five times

sounds like PoP could figure out how not to get OHKO'd by DK by the time he runs out of rewinds

banananor posted...

in the cartoon logic/physics of a donkey kong fight, i think DK just OHKOs him- forcing a rewind- five times

Not sure I see the logic in this. PoP retains knowledge from his rewinds, DK does not. Why would DK do anything different than what he did the first time, which PoP would be expecting after one rewind? This argument basically relies on PoP doing the exact same thing 6 times in a row.

Prince easily

If the fight takes place in a Switch, then DK can also rewind time, endlessly. Prince realizes the futility of the situation, forfeits the match, and goes to have a couple drinks with Cranks ranting about how games were better in the old days.

Prince wins this

StealThisSheen posted...

Not sure I see the logic in this. PoP retains knowledge from his rewinds, DK does not. Why would DK do anything different than what he did the first time, which PoP would be expecting after one rewind? This argument basically relies on PoP doing the exact same thing 6 times in a row.

No, this argument is that the prince fails 6 different times in a row.

Which seems plausible to me

masterplum posted...

No, this argument is that the prince fails 6 different times in a row.

Which seems plausible to me

Despite being highly trained and skilled like you said

It's possible but it feels unlikely

masterplum posted...

No, this argument is that the prince fails 6 different times in a row.

Which seems plausible to me

PoP regularly battles monsters like 10x DKs size, and rewinds and other time hax basically guarantee PoP some hits. Its incredibly unlikely.

Though really, PoP doesnt need to rewind until he gets a mortal hit. He just needs to rewind until he gets one stab in, and then he can slow hax DK.

In addition to his time magic, The Forgotten Sands also gives the Prince elemental magic, which includes a gust of wind that will be useful for knocking DK back and giving Prince breathing room, ice magic to give Prince a ranged attack option if there are no secondary weapons around for him to pick up and throw, and stone armour which stops all damage, so Prince can use that to block a few hits from DK as well.

Prince wins.

Outside of time manipulation, are Prince's combat skills better or worse than Ezio's? Because iirc the topics said that DK loses that fight. I think if Prince loses once, he'll lose 6 times even changing his plan each time, but I don't know how the initial fight would go (not familiar enough).

I don't think Prince needs even a single rewind to take this one

Arguments for the Prince:

• with the Dagger of Time, he can stop, slow, freeze, and rewind time, as well as see visions of the future
• unlike a certain other chronologically powered character DK's fought, he has actual combat skills, and is very capable acrobatically
• what's stopping him from rewinding this topic until he wins???

Arguments for DK:

• if he can catch the Prince, he can probably do a lot of damage
• without the Dagger of Time, the Prince is more limited in abilities
• if DK shoots the Prince, it's gonna hurt

Last topic was actually pretty close, but Ramza ran around screaming long enough to overpower DK. Today, a nomination inspired by the Max Caulfield topic, with a timely character who can actually fight. Can DK part the seas of time to win the day? Or is time not on his side?