Board 8 > Dota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 6 - Allegedy a Team Game of Mafia

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Mafia 101 - You do not hunt for a Godfather lynch before proof of such presents itself. We havent even proof of a cop yet.

changmas posted... isn't that exactly what you were suggesting about myself and red yesterday?

Hbthebattle posted... ##Vote: Kirby
Well, never let it be said I'm a quitter

Hbthebattle posted... look im not going to be around for the last hour of EoD so I'm going to miss any specials or insanity
I think it's smartest to put the vote on the person I think is likeliest to be scum and then hope for the best

Hbthebattle posted... I don't think he's looked particularly good so I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch.

TheSultanOfSlam posted... Ill move from Kirby just trying too decide Honestly

Question han If you had a vote to use who would you use it on.

The reason I'm hesitant on HB is he tunneled alot like is that nessisarily a scum thing to do??

I also feel like he has been the lynch leader majority of the dayband nothing has really changed there which makes me feel maybe its wrong and scum is laying low?

I am very weary of the 2 millers and the worse sounding of the 2 is Kirby that is why I haven't moved. I dont think it be lea

Chang I feel is a good option
And Ulti also still seems like a great option

Ulti probably is a "safe" day one option i am sure he is. Scum or 3rd party and not town i dont really see him being town.

I want everyone to tell me why lynching ulti is a bad idea here?

Didnt say this. I just said he scans innocent, so him being scum leaves us with two options.

Don't reduce my argument to that Poppy

I'm attacking you primarily because you claimed Corrik left no hints (obviously he left hints on Kirby)
Secondarily for flopping on whether I'm town or flailing scum (what)
Your posting style is a distant third

1. i said corrik had no hints IN TOPIC 4. and obviously i'm not going to assume him voting me is a hint because i know i'm town. i haven't reread topic 3 to see if he hinted something else
2. i thought you were town but your continual bad faith illogical arguments have led me to change my mind. that happens in a game of mafia.

By the way

You can't believe Sultan is scum yesterday, call Hb town yesterday
Then flip your stance on Hb based on Sultan's flip if you throught Sultan was scum yesterday

You do realize that doesn't make sense right

i mean, i thought you were scum because i couldn't see you doing much. and if that's your playstyle, okay, i can't necessarily know that, but i think "this person doesn't look like they're trying to find scum" is generally a pretty good basic read to make. ultimately regardless i think you did warm up and start doing stuff and are unaligned with sultan anyway.

i think that's a fair bit different than "you used a lot of quotes and that's scummy" - that type of argument is just downright insulting and makes me feel attacked for how i choose to present my viewpoints to the thread. but i don't think lopen is arguing in good faith anymore

well i went to look at corrik's posts in here and there was no hint about who he was targeting so that's pretty useless

i said corrik had no hints IN TOPIC 4

"in here" is the operative word

Corrik7 posted... It's important for people to realize that going forward. Lea has a death claim if scum. There is zero reason to worry about it now. It's easier to piece Kirby together as town with how the game falls together if he is and reactions, but this game is so outright weird that things can change quickly. People need to look at these things if I die and things go off the handle quickly.

Corrik7 posted... I haven't argued to lynch Kirby. I am doing exactly what I did last game with Ben's doctor claim. HEY IF I DIE LOOK AT THESE THINGS LATER ON BECAUSE SOMETHING SMELLS HERE. IT COULD BE NOTHING OR EVERYTHING. Basically.

My vote is where it is simply due to not deciding what avenue is best today, not because of what I am pushing. It's important to get everything on the board with Kirby though, because if he isn't town. It could be eventually catastrophic. I am operating Kirby as town due to how many people likely can't be paired with him as scum, though ironically this all kinda falls apart if he is 3rd party I suppose. But, for all intents scum would view the 3rd party as town as well right now. And because he tried some bs host read tags argument to confirm as town slyly. But, it's something town absolutely has to be aware of a a possibility going forward.

Corrik7 posted... I think the arguments are pretty good and need to be kept in the back pocket if things start going sideways for why it is.

You would not mention having looked based on literally two posts, one of which is tag. You would not. More accurately you would say "Corrik's one post during the rush didn't give a hint, I'll keep looking back" if that's what you meant.

You did not attempt to look and were trying to sweep it under the rug because that line leads to scum

Also even a passing read of earlier topics would have had Corrik's incessant rambling about the cult leader in your head I would think

atp it feels just as likely there were other role related shenanigans we can't know about that caused corrik to die and basing all arguments around what amounts to a guessing game as opposed to, you know, people's actual posts, is really bad play

I will say I dont think Kirby has been very vocal today. But it is a weekend...

Oh and attacking someone who hasnt played with Corrik before because they didnt pick up a Corrik hint is just weak. He is a very difficult player to draw conclusions from.

Corrik's tirade makes perfect sense on all fronts if you assume he scanned Kirby as Roshan with his day action (very good day action target, miller claim, makes sense) and was trying to townclear with his night action. He made two points during the "if i die look at these things" post. One of which was Kirby, the other was "my vote is where it is"

I know people don't want to assume that that could be possible and that he'd just bag Roshan, but I know Corrik would prefer to lynch Roshan later and try to win the game for town instead. He also needed information to townclear himself and not be an easy mislynch.

His victory condition is not to defeat Roshan. His victory condition is to win the game for town. Remember that.

I know people don't want to assume that that could be possible and that he'd just bag Roshan, but I know Corrik would prefer to lynch Roshan later and try to win the game for town instead. He also needed information to townclear himself and not be an easy mislynch.

It's ok. I think the game is solved. I'd almost rather be lynched than Hb just because I know Hb is wrong and there is a roadmap for scum to win by going with all the low hanging fruit.

It really is as simple as Poppy Ulti MZero scum, Kirby roshan though.

I can confirm that Kirby indeed moved and went to the shop, that much is certain.

And I really wanna lynch Kirby.

also, i don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but Corrik could have been redirected

Corrik targeting Kirby and being redirected makes a ton of sense, actually. But who would redirect him to scum? Does Roshan the 3rd party redirector make sense flavor wise?

1. Corrik would have had to have targeted Ulti (BAD HINT BRO). Ulti is scum. The last scum after Ulti and MZero? I don't know. Figure it out. I actually lean SBell in this fringe case because I think me being allowed to live was due to suspecting Han + Hb and thinking MZero is town.
2. Death is lying. Corrik in that case did target Kirby, and Death was lying to protect him. So your scum are Death + Kirby + MZero. Ulti is probably Roshan. This one, I can't really believe as plausible.

• Ulti
• Han
• ctes
• Lopen
• Death

That being said... does anyone else find it odd that nobody else has been stunned today? Han was stunned midway through Day 1. And we know it couldn't have been a night action because Night 0 doesn't exist, so it has to be a day action.

This means either Han was lying about the stun, or someone who visited the shop today was the stunner. IIRC, that's Ulti, Han, changmas, ctes, and (I think?) Death.

However, I think it's more important to deny scum the bonus gold for lynching one of their own.