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Isquen
09/10/22 6:11:01 PM
#151:


Stopppppppppp.

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Isquen
09/10/22 6:25:28 PM
#152:


There is an explosion.

Death has been slain! They were...

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NERIF, TOWN Death Delayer
"I see. Or do I?"

A result of a breeding program of wartime fortune tellers from another plane, you are *the* Oracle. It's pretty ambiguous what you're capable of, but in the past you caused the destruction of an entire civilization by splitting their consciousness both ways during a great battle, with all the participants seeing themselves simultaneously dead and alive, the paradox of it all shattering the plane to tumultuous insanity.

You also sound like the G-man, sharing a voice actor with him, and that's pretty friggin' cool too. I'm not biased, I swear.

False Promise - As a Death Delayer, you may, once per day, use an action to DM the host a living target. False Promise will affect that player with a turbulent glow that freezes their health state until the end of that phase, doubling any healing and damage done until a later time. If a player is to be killed while under the effects of False Promise, they will be notified that their time is running out and will die at the end of the following phase. Items that boost health regeneration while doomed by this will prevent this impending death.

If the target of False Promise is lynched, the target may not be saved at all, but their flip will not post until the start of the following day phase, and the target may still use night actions as if they were alive.

If used as a day action, the game will be informed that the target glows noticeably.

You may not target the same player with False Promise on consecutive days or nights.

But also...

[7] hb - Ulti, MZero, Poppy, Han, (Kirby), Kirby, Chang, The Hammerer
[1] Poppy - Lopen, (Chang)
[1] Kirby - Ctes, (Lopen)
[1] Ulti - hb, (Lopen)
[0] Red - (Kirby), (Han), (Death)
[0] Chang - (Kirby), (Han)

Hb has been HAMMERED! ...But they have not yet perished.

Night actions are due by 7 PM EST tomorrow, 24 hours and 40 minutes from now. Day 3 will begin at 8 PM EST, one hour after that.

The Secret Shop's inventory has cycled, and will be reposted shortly.

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Isquen
09/10/22 7:23:39 PM
#153:


All living players receive their passive income.

As a reminder for the current shop inventory and prices:
Clarity Potion - 50 gold
- A tiny vial of mana-regenerating liquid. If you use this, you will be able to use any "once per game" ability an additional time *providing* you are not targeted by someone from an opposing faction at all for a period of time.

Trusty Shovel - 100 gold - Fancy yourself a bit macabre? Try this reusable tool! With this item, you may use a night action to visit a lynched dead player and attempt to claim an item they had. There are no guarantees you will be successful, however, and you may not perform any other night actions if you do this.

Mango - 125 gold - a lightly enchanted tropical fruit whose trees were exposed to the latent magical energies of the Ancients for generations. Consuming this as a free action will refresh "once per day" abilities that have already been used and allow an additional usage of them that day.

Healing Salve - 200 gold. A flask full of a viscous green syrupy oil. Using this on a target as a day or night action greatly increases their health regeneration, though any incoming damage or poison will dispel the effect.

Massive Pidas - 450 gold. A sinister-looking giant golden gauntlet with an engraving of a bulldog etched into the palm of the hand. Possessing it allows you to double your passive income.

Blessing - Aghanim's Shard - 500 gold - A small, sapphire-blue fractured bit of crystal or gemstone. These are able to be freely consumed to unlock the hidden potential of a hero, or used as a free action on a trusted ally. Passing them still consumes your relevant day or night action.

Blink Dagger - 600 gold - Another reusable tool built-to-last; once every other day, gripping the hilt of this sacrificial blade will grant short-range teleportation for a time; if used as a day action, any votes not already on a wagon will not be able to affect you for three hours. If used as a night action instead, almost anyone targeting you overnight will fail (though you will be seen teleporting away.) A coordinated gank attempt will put this item on cooldown, and you can still receive items from living players if this is used. (And no, the day action will not be kept a secret.)

Divine Rapier - 3333 gold - a weapon favored by the gods, so powerful it can never be owned by any one person for long - however, even in a weakling's hands it can topple mountains (by stabbing them, apparently.) Carrying this allows you to kill any living player of your choice immediately as an action; carrying this, however, also reveals your role and alignment to all players, and if you are targeted by anyone on an opposing faction, you will be killed, with your killer immediately choosing to claim an item for their own.

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PunishedBen
09/11/22 3:38:16 AM
#154:


The Living
1 - changmas
2 - ctesjbuvf
3 - HanOfTheNekos
4 - hbthebattle
5 - Kirby321
6 - Lopen
7 - MZero
8 - Obellisk
9 - PoppyTheNinja
10 - red13n
11 - UltimaterializerX

The Dead
1. [LD1] Sultan - MAFIA Elusive Roleblocker
2. [KN1] Corrik - TOWN Roshan Hater
3. [KN1] Lea - TOWN Miller Ninja Item Thief
4. [KD2] Death - TOWN Death Delayer

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Isquen
09/11/22 4:57:54 PM
#155:


Night actions are due in two hours. Day three begins in three hours.

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Isquen
09/11/22 8:00:35 PM
#156:


Hb has been slain! They were...

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Rubick, MAFIA Role Thief
"I am no thief! I merely... borrow."

Paragon of the green and purple robes, you are Rubick, scion of Aghanim, and the Grand Magus who earned his title by provoking a fight with his rivals. In the ensuing chaos of spells firing off haphazardly, you hid in the blinding technicolor madness and subtly turned their spells against them until you were the last man standing. While undoubtedly impressive, some of your strongest power comes from your ability to throw people on a cliff through telepathy and leave them to starve, you monster. Also, you bob your head around like a chicken, and that's just weird.

Spell Steal - As a role thief, you can use a night action to "borrow" a player's daytime action for your own use on the next day phase. You may also, as a day action, instead choose to "borrow" a living player's nighttime action to use as your own on the next night.

The "borrowing" of these actions, if successful, inform you of the action name and its function.
Night abilities "borrowed" are forgotten/unusable after the start of the next DAY PHASE.
Day abilities "borrowed" are forgotten/unusable after the end of the next DAY PHASE.
If a second day or night ability is obtained somehow while another is known, the first one is forgotten.

The act of "borrowing" can not be roleblocked, but will fail if the target does not have an appropriate action or is invalid. You may not "borrow" allied abilities, item abilities, or passives, and you may not use an ability the same day that you steal one for the opposing time of day.

But also...

Han has been slain! They were...
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DARKTERROR, TOWN Vanilla
"Glad we could meet, mace to face!"

You are the Faceless Void, an eldritch space-time being reminiscent of a bipedal hammerhead purple shark, except your face (yes, you have one, in a manner of speaking) is stuck in a permanent, sightless grimace. You have no eyes without a creative application of observer wards. Besides, eyes are usually on you anyways when a teamfight goes sour, followed by angry pings and curses. Such is Dota.

As a Vanilla, you have no special abilities.

The Living
1 - changmas
2 - ctesjbuvf
3 - Kirby321
4 - Lopen
5 - MZero
6 - Obellisk
7 - PoppyTheNinja
8 - red13n
9 - UltimaterializerX

The Dead
1. [LD1] Sultan - MAFIA Elusive Roleblocker
2. [KN1] Corrik - TOWN Roshan Hater
3. [KN1] Lea - TOWN Miller Ninja Item Thief
4. [KD2] Death - TOWN Death Delayer
5. [LD2] Hb - MAFIA Role Thief
6. [KN2] Han - TOWN Vanilla

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Shop inventory shifts will be announced in 24 hours, and Day Actions are due at 6 PM Tuesday. End of day is 8 PM Tuesday.

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Isquen
09/11/22 8:05:58 PM
#157:


Oh, and the new Day has begun. >_>;

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MZero
09/11/22 8:06:28 PM
#158:


Isquen posted...
Hb has been slain! They were...

Rubick, MAFIA Role Thief

:O

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Obellisk
09/11/22 8:07:55 PM
#159:


Lopen would you like to rediscuss the setup and possible extra kills now that Death has randomly exploded?

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changmas
09/11/22 8:10:09 PM
#160:


Did deaths ability deny us our bonus gold for lynching HB or did the host forget

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Obellisk
09/11/22 8:11:00 PM
#161:


changmas posted...
Did deaths ability deny us our bonus gold for lynching HB or did the host forget

was wondering the same thing but since I wasn't on the lynch I decided to not bring it up... out of pettiness

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:12:11 PM
#162:


what's funny is I went through han's posts from day 1 overnight and thought there was a fair chance of him being scum

as i see it the realistic possibilities for last scum are lopen or red13n. mzero is definitiely town given he called hb/sultan distancing on day 1

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Isquen
09/11/22 8:13:31 PM
#164:


changmas posted...
Did deaths ability deny us our bonus gold for lynching HB or did the host forget

The host forgot that in the opening post, but has it tallied up. 100 gold is received by everyone who was on Hb's wagon.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:13:58 PM
#165:


well, i say last assuming there's 3 and not 4 but it certainly doesn't feel like they have 4 or i would have expected day 1's deadline to have gone differently

also zero realistic idea on who could be roshan

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Kirby321
09/11/22 8:14:14 PM
#166:


I just want to say it's rather ironic that Death, the Death Delayer, could not delay the death of Death.

Okay, dumb jokes aside...

Obellisk posted...
Lopen would you like to rediscuss the setup and possible extra kills now that Death has randomly exploded?

^^^

HOWEVER
... I'm gonna have to concede that the simplest explanation is likely the correct one here.

We've gone 2/2 for scum, and yet more townies are dead than scum.

This could mean there are fewer scum than 4, as commonly believed.

Nonetheless, if scum had an extra kill this entire time, why not use it at the end of D1 like how Death was assassinated at the end of D2, especially to deny Corrik any potential night action?

The simplest answer is that Corrik visited scum on N1, and the vote he left behind telegraphed Poppy.

Therefore, ##Vote: Poppy

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ctesjbuvf
09/11/22 8:14:26 PM
#167:


I am somehow still awake, but expect me to fall asleep any minute and not be of much use before morning here.

Death exploding really demotivated trying to figure out meta about kills for me. I did find it a bit amusing that Death was the one to get that role.

For now, I'm still at
##vote: Kirby
I'm sorry buddy.

Also I was wrong on Hb good job everyone. That's some rereading for tomorrow.


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Leafeon13N
09/11/22 8:17:28 PM
#169:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I am somehow still awake, but expect me to fall asleep any minute and not be of much use before morning here.

Death exploding really demotivated trying to figure out meta about kills for me. I did find it a bit amusing that Death was the one to get that role.

For now, I'm still at
##vote: Kirby
I'm sorry buddy.

Also I was wrong on Hb good job everyone. That's some rereading for tomorrow.
You think hb was trying to out his scummate as probable third party?

Honestly I'm kind of surprised we have early votes and none of them are Lopen. Even reading back just the earliest parts of yesterday he feels like the obvious answer.
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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:17:44 PM
#170:


##vote: red13n

i think there's a chance lopen is just annoyingly out of touch town because it doesn't make sense for himto be hardbussing sultan while hb and sultan refuse to touch each other

more likely just points to a scum team that's out of touch with the game?

ALSO: DO NOT PUT ANYONE 1 VOTE AWAY FROM GANK.

yesterday confirms that that hammer vote is probably an automatic thing, it didn't really hurt anything since he day was settled on hb anyway but we should be careful to not get blindsided by it here

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Leafeon13N
09/11/22 8:18:08 PM
#171:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I don't think Lopen makes such unworldly awful arguments as scum to frame me/you/MZero, but I could be wrong. I'm tempted to policy lynch him on general principle because I genuinely do believe he's Rosh, but I'll just stick to my guns here.

##Vote: Red

Next.
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ctesjbuvf
09/11/22 8:18:12 PM
#172:


For the record, I think it's worth looking back at who was humoring to vote one of Hb and Sultan day 1 but wasn't throwing votes until late. Aside from me, people were focused on those two for the longest time and neither had many votes until pretty late.

Still, that's tomorrow.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:18:34 PM
#173:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I don't think Lopen makes such unworldly awful arguments as scum to frame me/you/MZero, but I could be wrong. I'm tempted to policy lynch him on general principle because I genuinely do believe he's Rosh, but I'll just stick to my guns here.

##Vote: Red

Next.
yeah actually i think there's probably a strong chance lopen was the one stunning people

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:19:27 PM
#175:


Kirby321 posted...
Nonetheless, if scum had an extra kill this entire time, why not use it at the end of D1 like how Death was assassinated at the end of D2, especially to deny Corrik any potential night action?

The simplest answer is that Corrik visited scum on N1, and the vote he left behind telegraphed Poppy.

Therefore, ##Vote: Poppy
yeah bro i bussed my entire team for fun in a role madness setup

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Obellisk
09/11/22 8:19:29 PM
#176:


PoppyTheNinja posted...
ALSO: DO NOT PUT ANYONE 1 VOTE AWAY FROM GANK.


Yes wanted to make this point.

No one is to be put above 3 votes

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Leafeon13N
09/11/22 8:20:15 PM
#177:


Also I assume from flavor the extra kill was a techies that should kindly screw off because I'm still tired of people murdering death when i feel i have a good read of him.
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changmas
09/11/22 8:22:06 PM
#178:


100% it's a proximity mine from techies. that's THE quintessential bomb/explosion in dota

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ctesjbuvf
09/11/22 8:23:23 PM
#179:


Leafeon13N posted...
You think hb was trying to out his scummate as probable third party?

I will admit game has had craziness to a point that I probably should think more about such interactions than I've done. But before reading back, not sure it means too much.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:23:38 PM
#180:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I am somehow still awake, but expect me to fall asleep any minute and not be of much use before morning here.

Death exploding really demotivated trying to figure out meta about kills for me. I did find it a bit amusing that Death was the one to get that role.

For now, I'm still at
##vote: Kirby
I'm sorry buddy.

Also I was wrong on Hb good job everyone. That's some rereading for tomorrow.
kirby is basically never mafia from how hb and sultan handled him on day 1

hb may have legit thought kirby was roshan but he obviously had no role info and even if he did i would not take the word of flipped scum at face value

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changmas
09/11/22 8:23:42 PM
#181:


anybody else feel like ctes is an option? he's been almost willfully looking away from both Sultan and HB and has been enraptured by Kirby and Lea even through today

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Leafeon13N
09/11/22 8:24:36 PM
#182:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I will admit game has had craziness to a point that I probably should think more about such interactions than I've done. But before reading back, not sure it means too much.
Literally trying to paint ascummate as third party is what you are saying.

How is this a winning strategy even a little bit.
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ctesjbuvf
09/11/22 8:27:44 PM
#183:


How would it be a losing strategy though?

Also I know not what techies are. Does it matter in for the gameplay that you think its specifically that or is it purely cool Flavor.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:29:12 PM
#184:


changmas posted...
anybody else feel like ctes is an option? he's been almost willfully looking away from both Sultan and HB and has been enraptured by Kirby and Lea even through today
i liked his posts in topic 1, i haven't re-read them recently though. sultan accused him of rolefishing out of the blue in a way that didn't feel like distancing to me

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changmas
09/11/22 8:30:21 PM
#185:


this is a totally random thought but I think Kirby and Sbell were talking about it at some point yesterday (?).

I think scum players do actually have to get the bonus gold for lynching one of their own. Otherwise, for example, Ulti wouldn't have been able to buy a healing salve yesterday without an ability that also generates gold. So he could be towncleared off of that, which I don't think is an intent of the shop.

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ctesjbuvf
09/11/22 8:32:01 PM
#187:


I will say though that I have only very been confident Kirby is not town, he could as well be Roshan or whatever I suppose, if that is deemed more likely than him being on a team with Sultan and Hb.

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Leafeon13N
09/11/22 8:32:09 PM
#188:


ctesjbuvf posted...


Also I know not what techies are. Does it matter in for the gameplay that you think its specifically that or is it purely cool Flavor.
Does flavor of scum matter i dont know why dont you tell me?
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Kirby321
09/11/22 8:32:27 PM
#189:


PoppyTheNinja posted...
yeah bro i bussed my entire team for fun in a role madness setup

... Okay fair point. You were early proponents for both of the lynches.

##Unvote

I'm still perplexed at how Corrik died.

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changmas
09/11/22 8:34:46 PM
#191:


okay is it just me or is town like, really weak based on what's flipped / who has claimed already?

Like 4 town players died in two days and the roles we know we have alive are a decoy creator and a bodyguard? I feel like something isn't adding up here.

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ctesjbuvf
09/11/22 8:36:30 PM
#193:


changmas posted...
I think scum players do actually have to get the bonus gold for lynching one of their own. Otherwise, for example, Ulti wouldn't have been able to buy a healing salve yesterday without an ability that also generates gold. So he could be towncleared off of that, which I don't think is an intent of the shop.

This is a good point, it's also the most natural conclusion.

Leafeon13N posted...
Does flavor of scum matter i dont know why dont you tell me?

Well you brought it up, which is why I asked if it did

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Obellisk
09/11/22 8:38:32 PM
#194:


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undefined posted... (kirby)
Hmm... Fair point. I forgot that the item shop exists.
Now that's a little odd, because...

undefined posted... (kirby)
I am effectively a Miller, but with a small quirk that has nothing to do with my item. Nonetheless, I will scan guilty to scanning roles. This is my claim and I am not retracting it.

You did acknowledge items exist here. I can't help but be suspicious that you forgot.

rough copy paste but I don't see hb going at kirby with this attack if they are teammates.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:38:41 PM
#195:


i'm rereading ctes from topic 1 and even though he's fixated on the miller claims in a very single minded way it looks like he's legitimately investigating the claims to me, it doesn't feel like how sultan or hb handled them at all (trying to paint them as bad using vague, nonsensical allegations), i just get the sense ctes really believes all the stuff he's saying about the claims. there's one post i can see as kinda maybe sorta partnered with sultan but i wouldn't eliminate him based on that at all


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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:41:00 PM
#196:


i'm sort of hoping the last mafia is red because then i'll have pulled a hat trick of voting all 3 mafia on day 1 (if you ignore that i tried to vote kirby but didn't unvote but hey technically perfect is still perfect imo)

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changmas
09/11/22 8:41:47 PM
#197:


honestly not opposed to massing at all. it doesn't appear that our base abilities are strong enough to be game changing.

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Kirby321
09/11/22 8:41:47 PM
#198:


changmas posted...
anybody else feel like ctes is an option? he's been almost willfully looking away from both Sultan and HB and has been enraptured by Kirby and Lea even through today

Normally, yes, but Ctes hinted at his role yesterday. I'm guessing scum overlooked it because by all means I 100% expected Ctes to be dead today.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/11/22 8:42:40 PM
#199:


also i need to check last topic but the han kill feels pretty wildly disconnected from the game given the claims that are out there, and han was probably the most vocally suspicious of red

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Kirby321
09/11/22 8:43:45 PM
#200:


UltimaterializerX posted...
He targeted you the innocent scanning Rosh? <_<

Then I would be dead and Corrik would be alive.

BUT Corrik didn't even visit me anyway because Death used the Observer Ward I gave him and used it on me, confirming that nobody visited me N1.

We've been through this so many times already.

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