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changmas 09/09/22 10:41:09 AM #351: |
Obellisk posted... Got off on a tangent with the mixing items thing. my guess is to prepare himself for this exact scenario, to prove he went to the shop by buying the cheapest item and sending it to someone. Therefore proving at the very least he didnt send in the kill. Although he certainly wouldnt have done that --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:41:23 AM #352: |
UltimaterializerX posted... Han. Youre here. Hello. Depends entirely on the person, and if other people have done anything to earn a kill over me. Lea, in this context, countered in a way that I think everyone said was Town aside from like, Ctes, I think? Also, I've had heat on me and have done nothing to really prove myself Town. I'd have expected a Lopen night kill over me. And Ulti, if you are Scum (I'm not leaning that way at all, but if you are) this game, I don't think you try to kill me N1. (this is all ignoring that we don't truly have confirmation that Scum killed Lea and you saying it says that you totes are Scum confirming it lol) --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 09/09/22 10:42:51 AM #353: |
The Divine Rapier has to be a joke item, right? There's no way anyone should be able to get 3333 gold. Also, Healing Salve seemed useless to me. What actions exist that make someone "lose health" instead of outright dying? It doesn't protect against nightkills, either, I assume, since those would naturally be considered "damage". The salve doesn't even stop against poison. Isquen posted... Healing Salve - 200 gold. A flask full of a viscous green syrupy oil. Using this on a target as a day or night action greatly increases their health regeneration, though any incoming damage or poison will dispel the effect. Quelling Blade is a viable option, sure, but the mayonnaise was a cheap option that wouldn't have drained my gold from testing out what seemed to have been a joke item. Because you forget... just because I have no use for the Mango and Clarity Potion doesn't mean I can just hoard them and give them to other townsfolk with more useful powers. ... And well, I wanted to keep this as an ace in my sleeve, but I suppose I should just come clean to avoid further suspicion. I bought the mayonnaise, yes, but I also purchased a Mango as well. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:43:06 AM #354: |
You can ask Poppy, Lopen, Kirby, SBell, any of the people who have looked my way this game - if it is accepted I am Town, then am I a worthwhile kill target N1 this game? No. That being said, Docfear is a reason not to shoot me as well, so --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PoppyTheNinja 09/09/22 10:43:30 AM #355: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... I'm going to assume by the lack of responses that Ulti and Poppy understand what I said and aren't trying to suggest I'm Scum anymore :) i haven't caught up on everything that was said overnight >_> --- i'm adding a signature so my posts don't look weird ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:45:13 AM #356: |
PoppyTheNinja posted... i haven't caught up on everything that was said overnight >_> It's mainly pointing out that you were wrong in most of what you said about me. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 09/09/22 10:45:40 AM #357: |
we might as well ask kirby to reveal (in his own words) what his shard upgrade does if he doesn't think it's useful, as has already spent enough gold that it's unlikely he'll ever purchase it. also corrik is no longer alive and can't hurt you with questions about minutiae anymore --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MZero 09/09/22 10:46:20 AM #358: |
Hb attempted to pocket Han and thus I am inclined to believe he is town --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 10:46:52 AM #359: |
I assumed health regeneration meant to protect against night kills, personally. Otherwise what does it actually mean in mafia mechanics Incoming damage/poison probably refers to certain abilities. Roshan Stun probably stops the salve for example Kirby you're not really thinking about the mechanics nearly as much as I would have thought you would based on the Kingmaker game. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 09/09/22 10:47:58 AM #360: |
Kirby321 posted... The Divine Rapier has to be a joke item, right? There's no way anyone should be able to get 3333 gold. Not the way you spend money. Kirby321 posted... ... And well, I wanted to keep this as an ace in my sleeve, but I suppose I should just come clean to avoid further suspicion. I bought the mayonnaise, yes, but I also purchased a Mango as well. forking shirt balls Kirby...you've lost the ability to put aces in sleeves with how you opened the game. You are really going to need to be more forthcoming otherwise you will become a lynch. Scum isn't killing you if you are town, you are too good a mislynch candidate. So at this point you need to be all cards on the table or bye bye scum. And this is coming from someone who has staunchly defended not lynching you and i trust your claim more than Lea. Also, did you actually send the mayo to cts? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:48:02 AM #361: |
MZero posted... Hb attempted to pocket Han and thus I am inclined to believe he is town That doesn't mean anything if Hb is Town, tbf. Though Sultan did the same. It worked out for Hb over the course of the day more than for Sultan. I forgot that Sultan was on the Han Defense Force until Death pointed it out in his readthrough. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:48:37 AM #362: |
Lopen posted... I assumed health regeneration meant to protect against night kills, personally. Otherwise what does it actually mean in mafia mechanics It specifically says that the health regen is cancelled by a shot or poison. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 10:49:42 AM #363: |
Alright so guys what are the odds Kirby and Death are both scum Are these two the type that go in this hard together as some sort of gambit especially when Death for the most part had looked passable day 1? Or would going that hard together be played as some sort of wifom play. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 10:50:44 AM #364: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... health regen is cancelled by a shot or poison. No. It says it is cancelled by "damage" not "a shot" What does it do if not protect against night kills. Tell me this. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 09/09/22 10:51:00 AM #365: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... You can ask HanOfTheNekos posted... SBell, Han may still be scum, but when he doesn't fight with me its harder to read. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:51:22 AM #366: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... It specifically says that the health regen is cancelled by a shot or poison.sorry, "incoming damage", not a shot --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:52:16 AM #367: |
Lopen posted... No. It says it is cancelled by "damage" not "a shot" Yeah I don't know. But I would assume a night kill counts as damage. That's just the native English speaker in me, but ya know --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PoppyTheNinja 09/09/22 10:52:27 AM #368: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... Hello - I'll probably dig into day 1 tomorrow to see if anything can really be gleaned from these deaths, but I'll address Poppy and Ulti real quick so you guys don't mislead yourself.attacking someone's case is a defense, and if anything it feels scummy to me because you tried to dismiss lopen's reasoning without taking a definitive stance on sultan's alignment and you made that post about sultan but there was no guarantee anyone would follow you at that point and it's not like you really tried to hammer it home with people the way, say, ulti did idk, maybe i'm just annoyed you suggesting i was bussing before sultan had even flipped --- i'm adding a signature so my posts don't look weird ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:56:28 AM #369: |
PoppyTheNinja posted... attacking someone's case is a defense, and if anything it feels scummy to me because you tried to dismiss lopen's reasoning without taking a definitive stance on sultan's alignment
Obellisk posted... Han may still be scum, but when he doesn't fight with me its harder to read.This doesn't actually answer the question though. It is, if you accept I am Town, do you think I would be a worthwhile kill the previous night, over others. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PoppyTheNinja 09/09/22 10:57:22 AM #370: |
i still don't really think kirby makes sense as scum based on how sultan talked about him (i can pull quotes if necessary since this has suddenly become relevant), and in general i struggle to see why scum claims in the way he did. the acting n1 is sketchy but we can verify he actually bought stuff from the shop, right? which would imply not taking another night action? --- i'm adding a signature so my posts don't look weird ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PoppyTheNinja 09/09/22 10:59:02 AM #371: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... 1. I said I had no reason to think Sultan was Town! okay *shrugs* i haven't looked at you and hb yet and HB is a higher priority for me right now based on how he's been posting so i'll probably just table this for now --- i'm adding a signature so my posts don't look weird ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 09/09/22 10:59:20 AM #372: |
Kirby321 posted...
Yes it has a watch too. I was surprised too tbh --- Sword IGN: Pandora Brilliant Diamond IGN: Aurora ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 09/09/22 10:59:26 AM #373: |
changmas posted... we might as well ask kirby to reveal (in his own words) what his shard upgrade does if he doesn't think it's useful, as has already spent enough gold that it's unlikely he'll ever purchase it. For the record, I didn't know about the upgrade until after I made my purchase. Because I felt that hoarding Mangos would be more immediately useful than gambling on a potentially useless upgrade. Imagine giving a cop two scans in a single night, every night! Especially now that the roleblocker is dead. Anyway, my upgraded ability gives a 50% chance for the illusion to absorb an action instead of the original target. For example, if I made an illusion of Malphite and told it to visit Teemo, and someone tried to (rightfully) nightkill or poison Teemo, there is a 50% chance that the illusion of Malphite would be killed instead of Teemo. In that scenario, the person attempting to nightkill or poison Teemo would be informed that they hit Malphite's illusion rather than Teemo. Now, what the PM didn't specifically say was how that ability interacts with other roles. I presume stuff like Cop would be unaffected, but Tracker (or the recently-revealed Item Thief)... I dunno. And given that Isquen never answered my previous set of questions about my role, I didn't bother asking this time >_> It specifically says the person trying to target Teemo will be aware that they struck an illusion if it was a harmful effect (specifically mentioning poisons and kills). So there's some ambiguity on how it works, but even then, 50% is not reliable. I don't regret my purchase tbh. If it was 100%, I might have regretted buying those items, but it's only 50% and has potential to mess up other roles (possibly, but I don't know). Not worth it. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 10:59:30 AM #374: |
This is where I would say "why does a Scum Kirby take the actions at night as Scum?" Where is the Scum equity in that? I spend too many posts in these games saying "just because behavior seems odd doesn't mean it's Scum. Town is more likely to behave oddly!" --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 09/09/22 11:00:26 AM #375: |
Obellisk posted... Also, did you actually send the mayo to cts? Yes. He didn't believe I bought the mayo, so I sent it to him. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 09/09/22 11:02:22 AM #376: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... This doesn't actually answer the question though. It is, if you accept I am Town, do you think I would be a worthwhile kill the previous night, over others. I think i roleblock you or track/watch/scan you n1 based on day1 THIS game i'd probably not kill you. I dont think cognitive ability should necessarily come into play in a N1 kill and it should be based on where you think the power lies. For instance, if Corrik was actually a target and didn't kill himself, that is clearly Corrik Fear. I think killing Lea is mostly she seemed practically confirmed and it opens up more WIFOM on kirby which could be good or bad depending on kirbys allignment. I think i've put more thought into this than necessary really, but bottom line, i dont think Han is necessarily a worthwhile N1 kill. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ctesjbuvf 09/09/22 11:04:14 AM #377: |
I am busy atm so only skimmed the current page. But want to point out that I have indeed received the mayo. Doesn't change my stance on Kirby, just means I can't convince anyone this way. The mayo was indeed bought. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 11:05:36 AM #378: |
Ctes is lying. I received the mayo. hahahahaha (I'm joking) --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 09/09/22 11:05:37 AM #379: |
I waffle on you Kirby. But i will admit it may just be my own paranoia and metaing the "whys" --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 11:07:17 AM #380: |
Lopen posted... Alright so guys what are the odds Kirby and Death are both scum I don't want this to get swept under the rug. Kirby and Death's claimed actions don't make sense. I don't like that Death instantly used his ward. I don't like that Kirby wasted money on mayo. Further I think it's highly likely that Kirby was visited by Corrik last night and that's why Corrik is dead. Corrik is actually a pretty intelligent mafia player when it comes to using abilities and planning in the sense of how to best benefit town through using his power. Corrik was using his ability to townclear. If he was just trying to find Roshan he doesn't fire it blind night 1. That's why there's no chance he used it on Ulti. But he wanted to give us a hint as to who he would target if he flipped, because he'd know we'd know if he flipped he targeted scum So there are two possibilities. 1. He targeted Poppy and leaving the vote there was our hint. 2. He targeted Kirby, and an insane rant about flavor and cult leaders was our hint. I think the amount of time he spent on flavor yesterday was so that people would get the hint there. However there is a third possibility. The insane rant was because he had correctly identified Kirby as Roshan with his day action. The vote idling on Poppy was because he was going to use his night action to townclear. I feel today's lynch must be between Kirby and Poppy, personally. And I strongly lean Kirby of the two. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 11:09:25 AM #381: |
"However there is a third possibility. The insane rant was because he had correctly identified Kirby as Roshan with his day action. The vote idling on Poppy was because he was going to use his night action to townclear." Lopen, this is literally insane. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PoppyTheNinja 09/09/22 11:13:47 AM #382: |
if kirby was roshan he'd be dead though and an ulti/kirby scum team would basically be throwing at deadline when they could have put a majority on hb --- i'm adding a signature so my posts don't look weird ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 11:16:10 AM #383: |
It's Corrik. Nothing is out of the question for him. Like if you look at the ability he has, it actually benefits him to leave Roshan alive so he gets more loot when he kills him since he gets Roshan's items. If he had identified Roshan right out of the gate he might not be in a rush to kill him and he might want to generate town utility by using his role as a scanning role first. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 09/09/22 11:16:26 AM #384: |
I didnt use it instantly actually. I set it about 1 hour before item deadline --- Sword IGN: Pandora Brilliant Diamond IGN: Aurora ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 09/09/22 11:16:58 AM #385: |
Lopen's argument only makes sense if Death is lying about using his ward on me and about the whole watcher component to it. Death said nobody visited me. That has to include Corrik. Death lying only makes sense if he's scumbuddies with me, but I'm town, so therefore Death has to be telling the truth in my eyes. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 11:19:04 AM #386: |
Kirby321 posted... Death lying only makes sense if he's scumbuddies with me, but I'm town, so therefore Death has to be telling the truth in my eyes. Do you think that? I don't. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 09/09/22 11:20:42 AM #387: |
No I get told if he was visited or not and if he moved ir not. That binary is all --- Sword IGN: Pandora Brilliant Diamond IGN: Aurora ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 09/09/22 11:21:15 AM #388: |
Lopen posted... Do you think that? I don't. Then how else do you explain this? htaeD posted... Eh I guess waiting to see if anyone can get contradicted would be mean. It was Kirby. He moved. Why would Death lie if Corrik actually visited me? He would have no reason to unless he and I were both scum. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 09/09/22 11:22:54 AM #389: |
Kirby's responses here are kinda charming. Makes me like him more. --- Sword IGN: Pandora Brilliant Diamond IGN: Aurora ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 11:23:05 AM #390: |
Kirby I want you to really read that item description you have Is there any remote possibility that it allows a watch and that you misread it --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 11:24:09 AM #391: |
Lopen more like loco --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 09/09/22 11:27:16 AM #392: |
Lopen posted... Kirby I want you to really read that item description you have I read it multiple times. It says nothing about people visiting the target, just if the target visits someone else. So either Death is lying, or Isquen didn't tell me that information. Let's assume it was the former. Again, why would Death lie if Corrik actually visited me? If he was scum, hiding that info does nothing besides protect me. If someone visited me, the natural answer would be Corrik, so that would be an instant death sentence for me. But if I'm town, and Corrik actually visited me, he wouldn't be dead right now. Therefore, the only reason Death would bluff about no one visiting me is because he wanted to protect me, which only makes sense if I'm scum and so is he. If you think I'm scum because you believe Corrik died visiting, then you have to believe Death is scum, too. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 11:29:07 AM #393: |
Kirby town, Death scum If Death flips first, highly implicates Kirby when Death attempted to clear him with his ward-- in this case it's more likely Corrik targeted Poppy. Or someone else and his hint sucked. If Kirby flips first, this makes Death look townish for "clearing" Kirby Death passively gains town points and Kirby pocket points for playing in a "pro-town" way. So yes, there is utility to claiming he had a motion watch on you even if he didn't. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 09/09/22 11:29:51 AM #394: |
Kirby321 posted... If you think I'm scum because you believe Corrik died visiting, then you have to believe Death is scum, too. Devils Advocate. Death could be 3rd party in this scenario too. However I agree with the point that Death can't be Town in that scenario. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 09/09/22 11:30:04 AM #395: |
And also I am 100/100 that Kirby wasnt visited --- Sword IGN: Pandora Brilliant Diamond IGN: Aurora ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 09/09/22 11:30:16 AM #396: |
I said scenario twice. it really bothers me. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/09/22 11:31:50 AM #397: |
I don't think the item would just be written incorrectly. I think Death or Kirby or both are lying. I would potentially humor a Death lynch here too. Ulti how does your ward work exactly could you tell us. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 09/09/22 11:32:37 AM #398: |
Occulam's Razor confirms that Death doesn't fake a watch on Kirby that he says showed nobody visited him. Not with this many people unclaimed and with items being a thing in the game. This line of thought is barmy. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MZero 09/09/22 11:33:16 AM #399: |
Lopen posted... So there are two possibilities Lopen posted... It's Corrik. Nothing is out of the question for him. --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 09/09/22 11:33:33 AM #400: |
Why would I lie tho? --- Sword IGN: Pandora Brilliant Diamond IGN: Aurora ... Copied to Clipboard!
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