Board 8 > Dota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 4 - End of Laning Phase

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UltimaterializerX posted...

He was allowed at day's end and chose not to. He's scum.

I do/did not remember that.

The only thing that makes me hesitate on Hb now is the fact that Lea is dead.

Hb might've been lynched if Lea didn't switch her vote (contrary to what Ben said, the sultan lynch was not a hammer unless somebody on the Sultan train had a double vote -- there were seven people on that lynch, not eight). Otherwise, if I count correctly, it would've been a tie between Hb and Sultan.

The fact that Lea switched her vote to hammer a scum member when otherwise it could've been between Sultan and Hb (assuming Hb is town, but if Hb is scum, this entire thing is moot) confirms her as town, especially since Sultan was the roleblocker.

Thus, either scum feared Lea's hidden power, or they recognized her as confirmed town and wanted to kill her right away.

I'd argue those same arguments could be applied to me, too, but, well, I'm not the one who died. So there's always room to suspect me, I guess :P

Nonetheless, I only switched my vote because I saw Lea said she intended to vote for Sultan to break the die but didn't actually do it. Ulti's call to action made me think, "Well, if she's not gonna do it in time, I might as well try on her behalf." Turns out it was the right call to make because that bonus gold was very much appreciated.

I also had it in my head that Han could not vote at all on Day 1, so if you could point out where he was able to vote that would be helpful.

agree with the general case against HB but Ill let him at least show up and speak for himself before i vote for him. Still not feeling good about Death either.

Ulti is probably referring to that discussion we had on what "until the end of the day" meant.

I interpreted it as he couldn't vote at all in the day phase, meaning the literal end of the day phase and start of the night phase.

On mobile rn so cant really quote properly. But Kirby Im quite confident that someone has a literal anonymous Hammer ability. The votals literally list Hammerer at the end of sultans name. Someone did it secretly.

##Vote: Hb

changmas posted...

On mobile rn so cant really quote properly. But Kirby Im quite confident that someone has a literal anonymous Hammer ability. The votals literally list Hammerer at the end of sultans name. Someone did it secretly.

Oh. That makes sense. I thought Ben was trying to say I was the Hammerer, being the last vote and all.

That's actually kind of crazy that somebody managed to hammer the vote, given that my vote was four seconds shy of the deadline.

That means the vote had to have been given in advance, by the day action deadline, right? So whoever the anonymous hammerer was must be on our side, since I don't think Sultan was really on the table at the day action deadline, meaning Mafia wouldn't have known at the time that their roleblocker was gonna die. So the double-voter must be town-affiliated. That's good to know

UltimaterializerX posted...

For those playing the home game, scum teams do not like lynching their roleblocker on day one unless there is literally no other option. When I voted Sultan, he was 100% dead meat. That's why HB tried going AFK instead of voting in self preservation.

Hence, Kirby I also think is scum. His was the "pulling teeth but now I'll vote because I have no choice please town let it make me look good" vote. There's always one when a blocker gets lynched on the first day and his is most likely it.

alright, first of all, I literally had work during the deadline. Dont be a jackass about this. Second of all, there is no fucking way a me/Kirby scum team is in any way possible or logical and you know that.

Kirby321 posted...

Oh. That makes sense. I thought Ben was trying to say I was the Hammerer, being the last vote and all.

That's actually kind of crazy that somebody managed to hammer the vote, given that my vote was four seconds shy of the deadline.

That means the vote had to have been given in advance, by the day action deadline, right? So whoever the anonymous hammerer was must be on our side, since I don't think Sultan was really on the table at the day action deadline, meaning Mafia wouldn't have known at the time that their roleblocker was gonna die. So the double-voter must be town-affiliated. That's good to know

likely they sent in action before hand, or it was an auto-hammer. flavorwise my guess would be axe ult, culling blade ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpwSnXthrxk / https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Axe ) so this person would be stacking buffs every time they hammer successfully.

but i guess it could be an item too

Anyway, theres only two reasonable candidates for who Corrik visited if we assume he was searching for Roshan. One of them is Kirby, for obvious reasons, but the other is Ulti, who Lopen called Roshan basically all of yesterday.

This post at the start of Topic 3 seems to be the last post where Corrik made it clear who he thinks is scum or town.

Corrik7 posted...

I like the following people but this game is so out there, who knows what this will look like a day from now.

Town
Red
Han
Ctes
Death
Kirby

I want Leas flavor

I kinda wanna lynch poppy. Hb. Or sbell.

And Corrik left his vote on Poppy.

As a bonus, here's something that aged well lmao

Corrik7 posted...

Sultan can only avoid the hammer when dear Corrik is here. It's why he is my hype man, and I am giving out his pineapples.

The real question is... would Corrik be prioritizing hunting down Roshan, or would he try to scumhunt and trust that we could all piece it together who he targeted?

If the former, the obvious answer would be me. But I'm town, so he had to have been redirected somehow. Though I recall somebody tossing around the idea that Ulti was Roshan, so perhaps Corrik went for him instead?

If the latter, then Poppy, Hb, and Sbell might have been his targets, with a strong emphasis on Poppy since that's who Corrik left his vote on.

In fact, Corrik was there at the end of the day. He commented on the two lynch trains, but didn't join either or try to stop the train on Sultan. I wonder if he did that on purpose, as a means of letting his vote indicate who his night target was.

Id assume trying to hunt down Roshan makes more sense for him to do.

Kirby321 posted...

The real question is... would Corrik be prioritizing hunting down Roshan, or would he try to scumhunt and trust that we could all piece it together who he targeted?

If the former, the obvious answer would be me. But I'm town, so he had to have been redirected somehow. Though I recall somebody tossing around the idea that Ulti was Roshan, so perhaps Corrik went for him instead?

If the latter, then Poppy, Hb, and Sbell might have been his targets, with a strong emphasis on Poppy since that's who Corrik left his vote on.

In fact, Corrik was there at the end of the day. He commented on the two lynch trains, but didn't join either or try to stop the train on Sultan. I wonder if he did that on purpose, as a means of letting his vote indicate who his night target was.

well i know i'm town, so he can't have died from targeting me

he never actually gave a reason for suspecting me and it also would be kind of really stupid to target a scumread with that ability so i can only conclude he did something else. most likely explanation as others have said is someone he was accusing of being roshan

i also don't really think kirby is partnered with sultan based on how sultan treated his claim, i dont care about the late vote swap. thats not that important to me

yeah sultans reaction to the millers really came out as "this is how we are supposed to react in this situstion"

Positive kirby points.

Hbthebattle posted...

alright, first of all, I literally had work during the deadline. Dont be a jackass about this. Second of all, there is no fucking way a me/Kirby scum team is in any way possible or logical and you know that.

do you mind answering why you weren't willing to vote sultan at the deadline? that's more pressing to me than denying you're scum with kirby

PoppyTheNinja posted...

do you mind answering why you weren't willing to vote sultan at the deadline? that's more pressing to me than denying you're scum with kirby

I wasnt there???

tbh corrik's whole positioning on sultan was awful looking back at topic 3, so much so that i wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up being a vig shot but that's something to consider down the line

Hbthebattle posted...

I wasnt there???

that's not relevant, he was the other main wagon when you left and instead you voted kirby, someone who had 0 votes and was unlikely to ever be a wagon:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967861980
^votecount

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967862191
^you voting kirby and leaving with yourself as the lead wagon

if i'm not mistaken, you seemed to have indicated some suspicion of sultan earlier in the day, so why not vote him there instead?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967856692
yes, right here, you said you'd be down for pushing sultan as his reason on you was the worst but then a wagon on him comes up at the end of day when you're in danger of dyin and you won't even vote in self preservation onto someone you fos?

PoppyTheNinja posted...

that's not relevant, he was the other main wagon when you left and instead you voted kirby, someone who had 0 votes and was unlikely to ever be a wagon:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967861980
^votecount

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80156774/967862191
^you voting kirby and leaving with yourself as the lead wagon

if i'm not mistaken, you seemed to have indicated some suspicion of sultan earlier in the day, so why not vote him there instead?

Two votes is not exactly a train there, and the final hours of B8 Mafia days are generally extremely volatile. I had no practical way of knowing itd be specifically sultan, so I put my vote on the person I thought was most likely to be scum.

Hbthebattle posted...

Two votes is not exactly a train there, and the final hours of B8 Mafia days are generally extremely volatile. I had no practical way of knowing itd be specifically sultan, so I put my vote on the person I thought was most likely to be scum.

okay, well, i felt like a number of people had expressed not being willing to vote kirby, but maybe that wasn't your perception

it's still notable you said you'd be down for pushing sultan but didn't vote him given the opportunity, and quite notably sultan also refused to place a self preservation vote onto you, and i can't help but find that suspicious

I find it weird that Hb has refused to acknowledge my existence at all despite being the first vote on him. He has not mentioned me once or responded to a single one of my posts

He also distanced from Sultan by flipping out when Sultan lightly shaded him. He also expressed suspicion of Sultan but didn't commit to it. He also said Sultan had the worst reason for suspecting him, so if my reasons are better why have they not been acknowledged?

Also, when questioned on his scum SBell read, he basically said he had nothing to back it up and moved him to neutral. When questioned on examples of this and examples of death taking neutral stances, none were given

btw Ulti and Poppy are town

MZero posted...

I find it weird that Hb has refused to acknowledge my existence at all despite being the first vote on him. He has not mentioned me once or responded to a single one of my posts

dude your reason for voting me was oh he left immediately after posting thats sus despite literally no one posting and your reason for staying there was literally just parroting what other people have been saying

and yet. For some reason. Im the one who gets considered tunneling. You havent put up a single original argument for me to respond to.

I didn't word the SBell part right. He called it a "vibe check" and that he couldn't point to anything specific, then moved him to neutral. SBell asked for examples of the vibe checks but was ignored

Hbthebattle posted...

dude your reason for voting me was oh he left immediately after posting thats sus despite literally no one posting and your reason for staying there was literally just parroting what other people have been saying

and yet. For some reason. Im the one who gets considered tunneling. You havent put up a single original argument for me to respond to.

No it's cause you said it was spicy but your one post did not reflect that, thus it sounded fake. And why did you respond to Sultan's bad argument and not mine?

Also I was the first one to vote you or suspect you at all so that sounds pretty original to me! I was also the first one to point out the potential distancing from Sultan

like it's been a long day and i get to come into people insinuating I'm lying about having work and scummy for not being psychic about who the lynch target was going to be. If you guys think for literally a second these arguments are full of holes.

but every single game i get suspected for bullshit reasons and the only time that isn't true is when i somehow had 60 scanning roles i could whip out to shut people up. I think you guys are just shit at reading me

UltimaterializerX posted...

That's why HB tried going AFK instead of voting in self preservation.

You LITERALLY just did that.
UltimaterializerX posted...

No one is calling you a liar about real life. That is an unfair game defense to use.

and you know what? Lynch all liars.
##Vote: Ulti

The Living
1 - changmas
2 - ctesjbuvf
3 - HanOfTheNekos
4 - hbthebattle
5 - htaeD
6 - Kirby321
7 - Lopen
8 - MZero
9 - Obellisk
10 - PoppyTheNinja
11 - red13n
12 - UltimaterializerX

With 12 alive, it takes a majority of 7 to lynch.

Votals accurate after this edit (238)
[2] hb - Ulti, MZero
[2] Ulti - hb, Lopen

##Vote: Ulti

I want them Roshan moneys

Hbthebattle posted...

like it's been a long day and i get to come into people insinuating I'm lying about having work and scummy for not being psychic about who the lynch target was going to be. If you guys think for literally a second these arguments are full of holes.

None of my arguments have to do with that though

Where are the examples of vibe checking SBell scum? Where are the examples of death being active but not taking hard stances? Why did you suspect Sultan and not even mention me? If you suspected Sultan for having lazy reasoning, you should have suspected me for "parroting" if that's what you really believe

There, three questions you can answer that have nothing to do with being around at deadline

I think you guys are going a bit too hard on hb here

Hb didn't look pristine yesterday but considering Corrik's death and team compositions I'm not seeing hb as a given to be scum. Better things to do than just tunnel yesterday's case.

Like for people who are dead set on hb a thought exercise if hb is scum who are his scum buds.

Also consider this

The main reason why hb looks bad is because he avoided Sultan lynch and afked on Kirby

Consider the possibility Kirby is also scum-- how does it make hb look then?

Hello - I'll probably dig into day 1 tomorrow to see if anything can really be gleaned from these deaths, but I'll address Poppy and Ulti real quick so you guys don't mislead yourself.

1. I defended Hb, but I did not defend Sultan. I simply said that accusing Sultan of lying was shitty (which Ulti is saying the same thing in relation to people saying Hb was lying about being AFK at day's end, so you understand where I'm coming from).
2. When I did show up at day's end, Sultan and Hb were tied in votes and I said to vote Sultan. Sultan got lynched and flipped RB. Take that as you will. If you think Hb is Scum, then your assumption is me, with my completely unnecessary to make post, said to lynch the RB over whatever Hb is. If Hb flips Town, then your assumption would be that me, with my completely unnecessary to make post, said to lynch Scum over Town.

Oh, sorry.

3. Ulti, I said that I was leaning you being Scum, but I specifically said I didn't like thinking that because you hadn't had a chance to play. I specifically said that. When you returned, I said I liked what you were doing. Please, if you're going to argue I'm Scum, make sure you are actually aware of what I said, please and thank you.

Lopen posted...

Also consider this

The main reason why hb looks bad is because he avoided Sultan lynch and afked on Kirby

Consider the possibility Kirby is also scum-- how does it make hb look then?

I think he looks worse for all the reasons I laid out tbh

But no I don't think Hb/Kirby is scum/scum. I think Kirby is town regardless though

MZero posted...

btw Ulti and Poppy are town

Aight, I trust you.

I'd like to move away from Hb right now. His responses so far have been fair, and I don't think the current arguments against him are solid. If he couldn't show up at the end of the day, that's that. I'm not feeling as strongly on Hb anymore. We can revisit him later, but let's investigate some other players.

... Such as chang and Death.

Death, I've felt pretty good about on Day 1, but that triple post at the start of the day... kinda seemed a bit defensive? Or preemptive? Like, without anyone prompting him, he started to explain why he wasn't there at the end of the day. That kinda struck me as odd.

As for chang... well, actually, looking over his posts in this topic alone, I'm actually not sure at all why my gut said something was off about him. To his merit, he was an early Sultan voter. But... idk, something tells me chang's posts today felt a little off for Town chang.

I'm liking Poppy. Poppy brought receipts. That's one Yordle you really don't want to mess with! Though, I have to admit, I'm starting to think Hb not voting for Sultan is a bit of a stretch of an argument to say the Hb is guilty. Frankly, Hb made it clear that I was his #1 scumspect, so I'm really not shocked at all that he left his vote on me, especially since he was absent for the end of the day when Sultan really started to pick up momentum.

Death, I've felt pretty good about on Day 1, but that triple post at the start of the day... kinda seemed a bit defensive? Or preemptive? Like, without anyone prompting him, he started to explain why he wasn't there at the end of the day. That kinda struck me as odd.

Look I wanted to be sure I didnt get quicklynched again like I did when I was a Cop in that one game this year. That was motivated by Ulti back then, and I knew he didnt like me this game either so yeah
It seems unprompted because I didnt have a lot of time to say my piece before I had to sleep.

Anyway I can now confirm that I do indeed have a pineapple. And it is an item, though its powers are pretty much nonexistant.
I can give it away as a free action as well. Though at best it proves that this useless power exists.

I would hope that nobody would seriously consider any kind of quicklynch this early on...

I wonder if some items combine together to make a powerful item or something. The mayonnaise in the item shop is also pretty useless on the surface. And I don't think I got any special message or anything when I purchased it. Kind of a shame as I had hoped it would have some hidden purpose. Maybe mayonnaise + pineapple + some third ingredient makes a legendary sword that lets you day kill somebody or something.

It happened to me. So I considered it a risk whenever I happen to vote for the (maybe) wrong guy from that point on.

Kirby what were your actions night1?
Did you make an illusion or not?

Then again no matter what HB is, I think Sultan being the Mafia RB makes anyone else a worse lynch.

htaeD posted...

Kirby what were your actions night1?
Did you make an illusion or not?

As I stated in my last post, I bought some mayonnaise. Nothing special happened. Was it a smart idea? Probably not, but I doubt saving up for the shard will give me any meaningful upgrade anyway.

So I used my night action to buy mayonnaise. I am now 25 gold poorer for my curiosity.