Current Events > I feel like spain doesnt get shit on enough for being Fascists during WW2

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Lord_Shadow
09/04/22 1:18:30 AM
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It's alway Germany and Japan and sometimes Italy amd deservedly so but Never Spain

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Cheater87
09/04/22 1:19:24 AM
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I don't remember how much of a role Spain played during WW2.

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Lord_Shadow
09/04/22 1:20:23 AM
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Cheater87 posted...
I don't remember how much of a role Spain played during WW2.
A pretty big one if we had to Do D Day at Normandy and not just let in though Spain

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HovaRex
09/04/22 1:21:29 AM
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Don't forget the Irish.

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Foppe
09/04/22 1:21:53 AM
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Spain was isolated by many other countries until the mid-1950s.

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Noumas
09/04/22 1:22:49 AM
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Was that what was happening in the background of pan's labyrinth?
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Ilishe
09/04/22 1:23:28 AM
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Spain was basically neutral. Their dictator favored Nazism, but not enough to fully enter the war on the axis side.

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Garioshi
09/04/22 1:24:29 AM
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Spain was fascist and Axis-friendly, but did not take part in the war

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Lord_Shadow
09/04/22 1:25:08 AM
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HovaRex posted...
Don't forget the Irish.
The Irish were fascists?

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HovaRex
09/04/22 1:26:36 AM
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Lord_Shadow posted...
The Irish were fascists?

Yes? Maybe not the official government, but that wasn't who had the power in the 30s. The IRA did, and they're objectively fscscits.

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R1masher
09/04/22 1:26:50 AM
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Dont forget about the fronch

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Zikten
09/04/22 1:30:49 AM
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R1masher posted...
Dont forget about the fronch
The government was facist after being conquered by Hitler. But there was also the uderground freedom movement
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Foppe
09/04/22 1:32:34 AM
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Ilishe posted...
Spain was basically neutral. Their dictator favored Nazism, but not enough to fully enter the war on the axis side.

Garioshi posted...
Spain was fascist and Axis-friendly, but did not take part in the war
They sent 20k soldiers to the Eastern Front.

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 1:35:59 AM
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Spain didn't do anything, and Franco and Hitler hated each other. People don't realize that Axis powers were allies by consequence and not by mutual consent.
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R1masher
09/04/22 1:36:14 AM
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Dont forget about Australia

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Crazyman93
09/04/22 1:38:21 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
Spain didn't do anything, and Franco and Hitler hated each other. People don't realize that Axis powers were allies by consequence and not by mutual consent.
If I was Hitler I'd hate Franco too. Franco actually accomplished things.

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 1:40:55 AM
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R1masher posted...
Dont forget about the fronch

I feel like the French and Polish get off too easy. They were huge collaborators with the Nazis, and nobody says poopie.
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HovaRex
09/04/22 1:43:00 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
I feel like the French and Polish get off too easy. They were huge collaborators with the Nazis, and nobody says poopie.

Well the whole leaving them alone to get rekt by Nazi invasion thing kinda smooths some things over for them.

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 1:46:09 AM
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HovaRex posted...
Well the whole leaving them alone to get rekt by Nazi invasion thing kinda smooths some things over for them.

Doesn't give them the excuse to be huge collaborators though.
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MarcoRubio
09/04/22 1:46:47 AM
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What was "Never Spain?"

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HovaRex
09/04/22 1:48:33 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
Doesn't give them the excuse to be huge collaborators though.

Puppet governments under Nazi control. The French literally fought the AXIS by themselves for a year.

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Gremlynn
09/04/22 1:49:25 AM
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Noumas posted...
Was that what was happening in the background of pan's labyrinth?

I'd say it was fairly front and center but yes, it is set post WW2 with fascist spanish military forces clashing with rebel holdouts.

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 1:52:20 AM
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HovaRex posted...
Puppet governments under Nazi control. The French literally fought the AXIS by themselves for a year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
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Thompson
09/04/22 1:53:20 AM
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I'm sure Franco would have gladly aligned himself more closely with Hitler and Mussolini, but Spain had just come out of a bloody and devastating civil war when WW2 started, hence it was in no state to conduct or meaningfully contribute to the war.
If Spain had joined the Axis forces, it would have been the weakest link and made itself susceptible to an Allied invasion. The Nazis would most certainly respond to just the possibility of that by occupying Spain, and would an Allied invasion actually commence, the country would become a theatre of war once again mere years after the civil war had already ravaged the land.

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HovaRex
09/04/22 2:03:06 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch

Kinda proving my point there.

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 2:07:19 AM
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HovaRex posted...
Kinda proving my point there.

We literally fought battles against them lol.
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HovaRex
09/04/22 2:11:14 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
We literally fought battles against them lol.


HovaRex posted...
Puppet governments under Nazi control.


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Mia_K97
09/04/22 2:21:28 AM
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There's a difference between a puppet government and a willing collaborator lol.
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Garioshi
09/04/22 2:22:43 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
There's a difference between a puppet government and a willing collaborator lol.
there will always be collaborators for any and every invading force what point are you trying to make

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 2:41:21 AM
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Garioshi posted...
there will always be collaborators for any and every invading force what point are you trying to make

Does it make their heinous actions right though?
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Crazyman93
09/04/22 3:00:25 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
Does it make their heinous actions right though?
Is it right to condemn an entire nation for what their collaborators did?

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indica
09/04/22 4:54:31 AM
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Noumas posted...
Was that what was happening in the background of pan's labyrinth?
No, that's the Spanish Civil War

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Trelve
09/04/22 6:13:05 AM
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Hitler tried to get Franco to join the war on the Axis side for years, promising Gibraltar in return. Franco weighed it up and decided it was not worth entering the war on either side, as joining the Axis would mean angering Britain and it's Royal Navy. Still, he kept Hitler hanging on and refused to give him a firm answer in any way until 1941 when Hitler decided Spain was a lost cause and stopped asking.
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Garioshi
09/04/22 10:04:36 AM
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Mia_K97 posted...
Does it make their heinous actions right though?
who the hell is dedending these people

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/04/22 10:10:16 AM
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Spain is basically the most successful fascist dictatorship of all time specifically because it decided to be a pussy during World War II, and never really bothered with imperialist adventures afterwards. In other words, they were successful because they dialed back the fascism a bit. They still sucked a lot of course.

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FaultyCircuitry
09/04/22 10:11:15 AM
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HovaRex posted...
The IRA did, and they're objectively fscscits.

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Mia_K97
09/04/22 10:45:06 AM
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Crazyman93 posted...
Is it right to condemn an entire nation for what their collaborators did?

That's just how war is. Ghengis Khan massacred cities depending on whether one person or two decided to suck his **** or not.
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Vampire_Chicken
09/06/22 4:12:37 PM
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Romania under the Antonescu dictatorship during WWII was responsible for roughly 1 in 20 Jewish deaths in the Holocaust: somewhere between 280,000 and 380,000 Romanian and Ukrainian Jews. Many of them died in Romanian-governed Transnistria, where there were several "slow death" camps strung out along the west bank of the Bug River. In them, Jews and others were exterminated by the slowest but cheapest method: starvation.

Yet Antonescu's regime hardly rates even a mention in the list of crimes against humanity during WWII. Instead, the spotlight's so focused on the guy with the toothbrush mustache that other mass killers just melt into the shadows.
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