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Kim_Seong-a 08/24/22 3:55:15 AM #1:	There's a fair amount of drama in the Yugioh community over the recent tournament event in Master Duel. Basically the way it worked was, you played matchmaking a bunch, and were awarded points based on how many games you played and your win ratio. So the event concludes and we find out that the guy who got first place turned off console cross-play on Xbox for the event. Since a fuckton of players are from Asia, where Xbox is basically irrelevant, they were able to cut the pool of players they'd be pitted against down to a fraction of what it would be normally, and dodging the majority of the most heated competition. So now the Yugioh Master Duel community is in a huge tiff about...is it cheating to use the in-game option menu to increase your chances of winning? (For what its worth, they won with over a 10k point lead over 2nd place. Everyone else was only separated by 2 or 3k points. Also the award for winning the tournament was just a shitty profile icon <_<) --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:967531991] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>There's a fair amount of drama in the Yugioh community over the recent tournament event in Master Duel.Basically the way it worked was, you played matchmaking a bunch, and were awarded points based on how many games you played and your win ratio.So the event concludes and we find out that the guy who got first place turned off console cross-play on Xbox for the event.Since a fuckton of players are from Asia, where Xbox is basically irrelevant, they were able to cut the pool of players they'd be pitted against down to a fraction of what it would be normally, and dodging the majority of the most heated competition.So now the Yugioh Master Duel community is in a huge tiff about...is it cheating to use the in-game option menu to increase your chances of winning?(For what its worth, they won with over a 10k point lead over 2nd place. Everyone else was only separated by 2 or 3k points. Also the award for winning the tournament was just a shitty profile icon <_<)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/24/22 4:02:43 AM #2:	they were able to cut the pool of players they'd be pitted against down to a fraction of what it would be normally, and dodging the majority of the most heated competition. Yes, that was cheating. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:967532064] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>they were able to cut the pool of players they'd be pitted against down to a fraction of what it would be normally, and dodging the majority of the most heated competition.Yes, that was cheating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 08/24/22 4:22:06 AM #3:	Was there a rule against turning off crossplay? If not then it's not cheating,the guy was playing smart. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:967532212] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Was there a rule against turning off crossplay? If not then it's not cheating,the guy was playing smart. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 08/24/22 4:24:14 AM #4:	Foppe posted... they were able to cut the pool of players they'd be pitted against down to a fraction of what it would be normally, and dodging the majority of the most heated competition. Yes, that was cheating. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:967532228] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted... </cite><quote>they were able to cut the pool of players they'd be pitted against down to a fraction of what it would be normally, and dodging the majority of the most heated competition.Yes, that was cheating.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 08/24/22 4:26:35 AM #5:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Was there a rule against turning off crossplay? If not then it's not cheating,the guy was playing smart. Konami, in their infinite wisdom, issued no rules against turning off crossplay. Which is another layer of this whole thing - do we blame a player for alleged cheating or do we blame Konami for not managing their event properly? It should be noted that there is a more explicit example of "legal cheating" in the game right now that we're still waiting to get fixed. (A card that can activate one of two effects, but doesn't tell the opponent which effect is being activated, when that information would drastically alter the opponent's response). So it's not as if Konami is above allowing cheating in the game, even if unintentionally. --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:967532242] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted... </cite><quote>Was there a rule against turning off crossplay? If not then it's not cheating,the guy was playing smart.</quote>Konami, in their infinite wisdom, issued no rules against turning off crossplay. Which is another layer of this whole thing - do we blame a player for alleged cheating or do we blame Konami for not managing their event properly?It should be noted that there is a more explicit example of "legal cheating" in the game right now that we're still waiting to get fixed. (A card that can activate one of two effects, but doesn't tell the opponent which effect is being activated, when that information would drastically alter the opponent's response). So it's not as if Konami is above allowing cheating in the game, even if unintentionally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 08/24/22 4:36:47 AM #6:	It's crafty, but it's not cheating. He had the option to do so in every official sense of the term, there was no modding or hacking to the console or software to increase his likelihood of winning. Everybody else had the ability to turn off crossplay as well, so it was a feature anyone could have used - with a clear bias depending on what you're playing on, granted, but the fact that Xbox doesn't have as big of a presence in some of the larger gaming demographics isn't really something they can control. At best, they took advantage of a facet of the game that they had no control over using options supplied by the developer which were present in every version of the game. At worst, they exploited an unintended loophole in the game's matchmaking. Either way, as sneaky as it is, it's luck of the draw depending on what system you have and it was in no way localised to that one user. Any Xbox player could have done this, but they didn't. --- Rest your head - you've got two pillows to choose from in a queen-sized bed Now Playing: Paladins, Minecraft, Danganronpa <cite>MrMallard posted [p:967532311] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>It's crafty, but it's not cheating. He had the option to do so in every official sense of the term, there was no modding or hacking to the console or software to increase his likelihood of winning. Everybody else had the ability to turn off crossplay as well, so it was a feature anyone could have used - with a clear bias depending on what you're playing on, granted, but the fact that Xbox doesn't have as big of a presence in some of the larger gaming demographics isn't really something they can control.At best, they took advantage of a facet of the game that they had no control over using options supplied by the developer which were present in every version of the game. At worst, they exploited an unintended loophole in the game's matchmaking. Either way, as sneaky as it is, it's luck of the draw depending on what system you have and it was in no way localised to that one user. Any Xbox player could have done this, but they didn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
party_animal07 08/24/22 4:39:38 AM #7:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Was there a rule against turning off crossplay? If not then it's not cheating,the guy was playing smart. This. It sucks, but the tourney's oversight was their gain. --- https://warpzone.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GRANDIA_-696x509.jpg <cite>party_animal07 posted [p:967532337] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted... </cite><quote>Was there a rule against turning off crossplay? If not then it's not cheating,the guy was playing smart.</quote>This. It sucks, but the tourney's oversight was their gain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TentacleDemon 08/24/22 4:40:59 AM #8:	Kim_Seong-a posted... Konami, in their infinite wisdom, issued no rules against turning off crossplay. Which is another layer of this whole thing - do we blame a player for alleged cheating or do we blame Konami for not managing their event properly? That's on Konami. Did dude do something scummy? Definitely. But if it doesn't violate any actual rules for the competition then it wasn't actually cheating. --- "If you make something idiot-proof, someone will just make a better idiot." <cite>TentacleDemon posted [p:967532348] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite><quote>Konami, in their infinite wisdom, issued no rules against turning off crossplay. Which is another layer of this whole thing - do we blame a player for alleged cheating or do we blame Konami for not managing their event properly?</quote>That's on Konami. Did dude do something scummy? Definitely. But if it doesn't violate any actual rules for the competition then it wasn't actually cheating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 08/24/22 4:42:56 AM #9:	MrMallard posted... It's crafty, but it's not cheating. He had the option to do so in every official sense of the term, there was no modding or hacking to the console or software to increase his likelihood of winning. Everybody else had the ability to turn off crossplay as well, so it was a feature anyone could have used - with a clear bias depending on what you're playing on, granted, but the fact that Xbox doesn't have as big of a presence in some of the larger gaming demographics isn't really something they can control. At best, they took advantage of a facet of the game that they had no control over using options supplied by the developer which were present in every version of the game. At worst, they exploited an unintended loophole in the game's matchmaking. Either way, as sneaky as it is, it's luck of the draw depending on what system you have and it was in no way localised to that one user. Any Xbox player could have done this, but they didn't. This --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:967532363] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>MrMallard posted... </cite><quote>It's crafty, but it's not cheating. He had the option to do so in every official sense of the term, there was no modding or hacking to the console or software to increase his likelihood of winning. Everybody else had the ability to turn off crossplay as well, so it was a feature anyone could have used - with a clear bias depending on what you're playing on, granted, but the fact that Xbox doesn't have as big of a presence in some of the larger gaming demographics isn't really something they can control.At best, they took advantage of a facet of the game that they had no control over using options supplied by the developer which were present in every version of the game. At worst, they exploited an unintended loophole in the game's matchmaking. Either way, as sneaky as it is, it's luck of the draw depending on what system you have and it was in no way localised to that one user. Any Xbox player could have done this, but they didn't.</quote>This </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/24/22 5:02:18 AM #10:	It's cheating but will only be addressed going forward at best. I dropped master duel in April because the events were so tedious to grind. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:967532539] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>It's cheating but will only be addressed going forward at best. I dropped master duel in April because the events were so tedious to grind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philip027 08/24/22 5:06:50 AM #11:	If everyone else could easily do it themselves without breaking any rules, not cheating. And yes, I'm aware of the fact that if "everyone" did it, there basically would be no difference in the competition. Doesn't change the fact that the game allowed him to do what he did, and he took advantage of it whereas others didn't. If you don't ever want anyone taking advantage of anything to try to gain an upper hand in a competition, you might as well forget the game and just flip coins to determine who wins. <cite>Philip027 posted [p:967532580] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>If everyone else could easily do it themselves without breaking any rules, not cheating.And yes, I'm aware of the fact that if "everyone" did it, there basically would be no difference in the competition. Doesn't change the fact that the game allowed him to do what he did, and he took advantage of it whereas others didn't. If you don't ever want anyone taking advantage of anything to try to gain an upper hand in a competition, you might as well forget the game and just flip coins to determine who wins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 08/24/22 5:14:54 AM #12:	Not cheating. People angry are just pissed off they weren't that clever, or that their "virtue" of playing vs asians, was exposed to be complete bullshit. This actually speaks really negatively to the community. Infact, trying to go to google -> video search brings up a really weird results list. Not the typical "gameplay", "guide", "how-to" stuff. It's all just commenters saying the game is ruined and bitching and moaning about this or that. Sick community man. No wonder he wanted to disconnect from PC players, I would have too. <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:967532647] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Not cheating. People angry are just pissed off they weren't that clever, or that their "virtue" of playing vs asians, was exposed to be complete bullshit. This actually speaks really negatively to the community. Infact, trying to go to google -> video search brings up a really weird results list. Not the typical "gameplay", "guide", "how-to" stuff. It's all just commenters saying the game is ruined and bitching and moaning about this or that. Sick community man. No wonder he wanted to disconnect from PC players, I would have too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 08/24/22 5:18:53 AM #13:	of all the players, he's the only one who did this and actually benefited from doing so? maybe others did it too but couldn't go as far as the winner did --- Life is just a journey from the maternity ward to the crematorium. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:967532678] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>of all the players, he's the only one who did this and actually benefited from doing so? maybe others did it too but couldn't go as far as the winner did</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smiffwilm 08/24/22 6:19:54 AM #14:	Quick question: How exactly did you find out they did this? --- My Mario Maker 2 ID is 6RG-5XK-JCG <cite>Smiffwilm posted [p:967533128] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Quick question: How exactly did you find out they did this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 08/24/22 6:25:51 AM #15:	Smiffwilm posted... Quick question: How exactly did you find out they did this? I missed the original hubbub, but the rankings show your country of origin if you have crossplay, and a console flag if not (there's a joke that he's from the nation of Xbox lol) He also apparently admitted to it in a recent interview with some yugioh youtuber. There were originally accusations he was using the decreased population of xbox to win-trade with alts, but claims that getting to the stage of the event where your wins are tracked (there are two stages, first being a qualifier for the second that plays identically to the normal ranked ladder, and the second being the "main event") is a pain in the ass and there was no point in doing it with multiple accounts. He was apparently playing like 15 hours a day anyway. >__> --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:967533192] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Smiffwilm posted... </cite><quote>Quick question: How exactly did you find out they did this?</quote>I missed the original hubbub, but the rankings show your country of origin if you have crossplay, and a console flag if not (there's a joke that he's from the nation of Xbox lol)He also apparently admitted to it in a recent interview with some yugioh youtuber. There were originally accusations he was using the decreased population of xbox to win-trade with alts, but claims that getting to the stage of the event where your wins are tracked (there are two stages, first being a qualifier for the second that plays identically to the normal ranked ladder, and the second being the "main event") is a pain in the ass and there was no point in doing it with multiple accounts. He was apparently playing like 15 hours a day anyway. >__></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrCokeacola 08/24/22 7:10:07 AM #16:	Xbox is the most secure and best gaming network. You'd be a fool to want to play with poor people who can't afford a Xbox and Xbox Live. Konami can not force cross-play on Xbox as there are parental safety setting on Xbox that forcefully disable cross-play as it is a broken feature that games should not have. I personally always have cross-play turned off. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/5/AAJ4cCAADRX7.jpg --- Thinking about games is as much a hobby as is playing them. <cite>MrCokeacola posted [p:967533565] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Xbox is the most secure and best gaming network. You'd be a fool to want to play with poor people who can't afford a Xbox and Xbox Live. Konami can not force cross-play on Xbox as there are parental safety setting on Xbox that forcefully disable cross-play as it is a broken feature that games should not have. I personally always have cross-play turned off.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/5/AAJ4cCAADRX7.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 08/24/22 7:14:50 AM #17:	Yes thats cheating. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:967533592] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Yes thats cheating. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smiffwilm 08/24/22 9:21:27 AM #20:	Kim_Seong-a posted... I missed the original hubbub, but the rankings show your country of origin if you have crossplay, and a console flag if not (there's a joke that he's from the nation of Xbox lol) He also apparently admitted to it in a recent interview with some yugioh youtuber. There were originally accusations he was using the decreased population of xbox to win-trade with alts, but claims that getting to the stage of the event where your wins are tracked (there are two stages, first being a qualifier for the second that plays identically to the normal ranked ladder, and the second being the "main event") is a pain in the ass and there was no point in doing it with multiple accounts. He was apparently playing like 15 hours a day anyway. >__> Ok. To be clear: This was a scummy move. No doubt on that. A loophole they hopefully fix next time. That said... It wasn't prohibited, meaning anyone could do it. And since it seems people can tell by the country of origin thing, based on TC's account, someone on Konamis side could have said or done something yet didn't. Also, based on TCs account, he did try to hide it since he only admitted to it recently, so even that person thought they did something wrong. Unfortunately, I have to conclude it isn't technically cheating, since there was no rule actually broken, just the unspoken rule of playing fairly. Which is why people are validly upset. Like I said though earlier, hopefully next time Konami learns from this oversight. --- My Mario Maker 2 ID is 6RG-5XK-JCG <cite>Smiffwilm posted [p:967535095] in What's CE'... [t:80140700]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite><quote>I missed the original hubbub, but the rankings show your country of origin if you have crossplay, and a console flag if not (there's a joke that he's from the nation of Xbox lol)He also apparently admitted to it in a recent interview with some yugioh youtuber. There were originally accusations he was using the decreased population of xbox to win-trade with alts, but claims that getting to the stage of the event where your wins are tracked (there are two stages, first being a qualifier for the second that plays identically to the normal ranked ladder, and the second being the "main event") is a pain in the ass and there was no point in doing it with multiple accounts. He was apparently playing like 15 hours a day anyway. >__></quote>Ok. To be clear: This was a scummy move. No doubt on that. A loophole they hopefully fix next time. That said...It wasn't prohibited, meaning anyone could do it. And since it seems people can tell by the country of origin thing, based on TC's account, someone on Konamis side could have said or done something yet didn't. Also, based on TCs account, he did try to hide it since he only admitted to it recently, so even that person thought they did something wrong. Unfortunately, I have to conclude it isn't technically cheating, since there was no rule actually broken, just the unspoken rule of playing fairly. Which is why people are validly upset.Like I said though earlier, hopefully next time Konami learns from this oversight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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