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g0ldie
08/20/22 1:15:21 AM
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She went home for a vacation. Now a Saudi woman is facing 34 years in prison for sharing her views on social media, human rights groups say, in a case they have condemned as the latest worrying sign of the kingdom's crackdown on dissent.

Salma al-Shehab, a 34-year-old mother of two, was an active Twitter user while studying for a doctoral degree at the University of Leeds School of Medicine in the United Kingdom. She posted her own tweets about human rights issues as well as retweeting activists.

Al-Shehab, who is a Saudi citizen, was arrested while visiting her home in January 2021, according to multiple human rights groups based in Europe and the United States.

After initially being sentenced to six years in jail, the sentence was increased to a record 34 years earlier this month following her appeal, the rights groups said. Al-Shehab was also slapped with a 34-year travel ban that will take effect following her release, they said.

The charges against her included sedition and spreading false and malicious rumors on Twitter, according to the European Saudi Organization for Human Rights, a Berlin-based group critical of the Saudi government.

They charged her for 34 years over 280 characters, Nada Zamel, ESOHRs head of advocacy, told NBC News.

She said the tweets that got al-Shehab into trouble were relatively anodyne, expressing support for freedom of speech and the lifting of rules that limit freedom for women in Saudi Arabia.

Zamel added that the sentence raises concerns about other activists facing similar charges.

Given the harsh sentence for an account with only around 2,000 followers, Zamel said, imagine what will happen to other activists who were arrested in the same period. Though she noted al-Shehab can still appeal to the Saudi supreme court.

The Freedom Initiative, a Washington, D.C.-based group that advocates for prisoners in the Middle East and North Africa, said it had seen court documents that showed she had complained of abuse and threats while in detention due to her background as a Shia Muslim, a minority community in Saudi Arabia.

Al-Shehab, who comes from the Shia Muslim minority, also said she faced sectarian harassment, including insults to her religion and family, the group said in a press release, adding that this suggested religious discrimination may have played a role in her draconian sentencing."

The Saudi Embassy in London and the Saudi Ministry of Media did not respond to requests for the details of and comment on al-Shehabs case. NBC News has also reached out to the Saudi embassy for comment on the allegations that Al-Shehab was abused while in detention.

A spokesperson from the University of Leeds said in a statement: We are deeply concerned to learn of this recent development in Salmas case and we are seeking advice on whether there is anything we can do to support her. Our thoughts remain with Salma, her family, and her friends among our close-knit community of postgraduate researchers.

'Getting worse by the day'
Bethany Alhaidari, the Saudi case manager at the Freedom Initiative, described al-Shehabs tweeting style as sweet and diplomatic rather than fiery or aggressive.

One of the causes al-Shehab supported was that of imprisoned womens rights activist Loujain al-Hathloul, who drew global headlines for her campaign to get women the right to drive in Saudi Arabia.

Al-Hathlouls sister, Lina, was one of the activist accounts that al-Shehab retweeted in the months before her arrest. Shes now head of monitoring and communications for ALQST, a group that focuses on human rights in Saudi Arabia. In an interview, she said the sentence shows that Saudi Arabias promises on womens rights reforms are only words, its ink on paper, and that the situation of women and womens rights activists is not improving, but getting worse by the day.

Al-Hathloul said its difficult to know how al-Shehab will be treated in jail, but that we have heard of many cases of womens rights activists being tortured in prison, being held in solitary confinement, and threatened with rape.

Alhaidari said her organization was seeing a shift toward harsher penalties for dissent in Saudi Arabia, which she attributes to Western countries welcoming Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman back into the fold following a period of estrangement after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

This is a new shift that is a consequence, a direct consequence, of the international community kind of brushing aside horrible human rights violations, she said.

President Joe Biden bumped fists with the crown prince during a visit to the Saudi coastal city of Jeddah last month that outraged critics of the desert kingdoms de facto ruler, while former President Donald Trump recently hosted a Saudi-backed breakaway golf tour event at his course in Bedminster, New Jersey.

Asked about al-Shehabs case during a briefing Wednesday, State Department spokesman Ned Price said that exercising freedom of expression to advocate for the rights of women should not be criminalized; it should never be criminalized.

Price added that far from, I think, giving Saudi Arabia license to act with greater impunity, our engagement with the Saudi government has made clear the fact that human rights is central to our agenda. It is always on our agenda, and it is always high on our agenda.

A White House spokesperson said: We are studying the case and the sentence. As a general matter, exercising freedom of expression to advocate for the rights of women should not be criminalized.

The spokesperson added that while in Saudi Arabia in July the president privately and publicly underscored the United States conviction that respect for and promotion of human rights and fundamental freedoms promotes stability and strengthens national security.

Twitter declined to comment on al-Shehabs case.

The lengths that Saudi Arabia appears willing to go to use social media to crack down on criticism were also on display last week, when a jury in California found a former Twitter employee guilty on charges relating to him helping Saudi Arabia access dissidents personal information.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-woman-34-years-prison-twitter-activity-rcna43472

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simp5
08/20/22 1:17:37 AM
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Lmao remember all of those "MBS is a reformer" apologists?
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KaZooo
08/20/22 5:05:17 AM
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g0ldie posted...
Al-Shehab was also slapped
Ruthless country.

No but really that's a BS sentence, on top of what sounds like outrageous prison conditions.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
08/20/22 5:38:54 AM
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Fuck up. Also fucked that someone must have been following her and ratted her out to some government officials given she didn't have a ton of followers or notoriety

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Foppe
08/20/22 5:44:28 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Fuck up. Also fucked that someone must have been following her and ratted her out to some government officials given she didn't have a ton of followers or notoriety
Probably a relative.

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Zikten
08/20/22 5:55:23 AM
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It's actually a double sentence since even after 34 years in prison, she can't legally exit SA for 34 more years. Unless she gets out of this, her life is fucked
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hockeybub89
08/20/22 7:22:12 AM
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Good thing we do business with Saudi Arabia!

Not that America values women as people either...

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DarkChozoGhost
08/20/22 7:28:32 AM
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Fuck Saudi Arabia

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Garioshi
08/20/22 7:28:33 AM
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Seems bad

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SaccharineSmile
08/20/22 7:36:10 AM
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Backwards country seriously

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hockeybub89
08/20/22 7:37:12 AM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
Backwards country seriously
B-b-but oil make car vroom vroom

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Koishi
08/20/22 8:08:56 AM
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Ideally, every woman should escape Saudi Arabia. Nobody should live there when they'll be denied rights and treated like property. Can we retrieve every woman there and send all the anti-choice people to take their place?

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Lord_Shadow
08/20/22 8:15:42 AM
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I have been saying for years we need to topple them for 9/11

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hockeybub89
08/20/22 8:18:40 AM
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Pro golfers be like "Yeah that's pretty bad, but the Saudi government pays much better than the PGA Tour"

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Robot2600
08/20/22 9:12:21 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Pro golfers be like "Yeah that's pretty bad, but the Saudi government pays much better than the PGA Tour"


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DipDipDiver
08/20/22 9:15:21 AM
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After initially being sentenced to six years in jail, the sentence was increased to a record 34 years earlier this month following her appeal
Fucking wat
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cjsdowg
08/20/22 9:16:02 AM
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What an ally. (sarcasm)

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Foppe
08/20/22 9:38:41 AM
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DipDipDiver posted...
Fucking wat
At first they were A woman doing something bad? Send her to jail, that will teach her!
When she appealed, they decided to read what she did Wait a minute... A woman talking about freedom? And wont accept her punishment and dare to appeal? She needs more punishment, that will teach other females from thinking!

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gunplagirl
08/20/22 9:43:53 AM
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Zikten posted...
It's actually a double sentence since even after 34 years in prison, she can't legally exit SA for 34 more years. Unless she gets out of this, her life is fucked
Yep :( But also, the face that it increased because she appealed is just... Christ.

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-BrokenSpiral-
08/20/22 9:47:26 AM
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Something you agree with: "I love cultural differences!"

Something you disagree with: "OMG why are they like that?!!?!!!?"

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g0ldie
08/20/22 10:00:42 AM
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AloneIBreak
08/20/22 10:12:31 AM
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Suddenly CE thinks free speech is a good thing.

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g0ldie
08/20/22 11:11:08 AM
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yea, because you have all these people advocating for people to be imprisoned for their harmless Twitter posts...

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Crescente
08/20/22 11:22:57 AM
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And I thought Brittney Griner's sentence was bad. Saudi Arabia makes Russia look progressive.
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hockeybub89
08/20/22 11:27:08 AM
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-BrokenSpiral- posted...
Something you agree with: "I love cultural differences!"

Something you disagree with: "OMG why are they like that?!!?!!!?"

lmao

AloneIBreak posted...
Suddenly CE thinks free speech is a good thing.
Might I invite both of you to my SHUT THE FUCK UP party?

Disgusting, disingenuous bullshit. Your kind would love America to turn into a version of that shithole.

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Pogo_Marimo
08/20/22 11:43:51 AM
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Basically a slave state.

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Unknown480
08/20/22 11:45:38 AM
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Garbage ass country
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BlueBoy675
08/20/22 11:52:37 AM
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-BrokenSpiral- posted...
Something you agree with: "I love cultural differences!"

Something you disagree with: "OMG why are they like that?!!?!!!?"

lmao
Oh shut the actual god damn fuck up

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AloneIBreak
08/20/22 11:54:48 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Your kind would love America to turn into a version of that shithole.
Cute.

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Ratchetrockon
08/20/22 12:00:43 PM
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that country sucks

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NoxObscuras
08/20/22 12:06:53 PM
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Zikten posted...
It's actually a double sentence since even after 34 years in prison, she can't legally exit SA for 34 more years. Unless she gets out of this, her life is fucked
Yeah, that's so fucked up. Even after they release her, she'll never be able to leave the country again. She'll have to live to be 102 to outlive that travel ban.

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hockeybub89
08/20/22 12:11:42 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Cute.
You wouldn't know freedom if it spit in your face. Freedom for your kind. Guess I can fuck off and die or something. Just like Saudi Arabia, we refuse to throw away religion. The non-believers are not allowed.

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/20/22 12:12:00 PM
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-BrokenSpiral- posted...
Something you agree with: "I love cultural differences!"

Something you disagree with: "OMG why are they like that?!!?!!!?"

lmao
Hopefully Saudi Arabia will crumble, and all of its supporters in the USA will be imprisoned for their crimes.

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AloneIBreak
08/20/22 12:17:52 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
You wouldn't know freedom if it spit in your face. Freedom for your kind. Guess I can fuck off and die or something. Just like Saudi Arabia, we refuse to throw away religion. The non-believers are not allowed.
Yes, left wing atheists like me frequently hold up the likes of Saudi Arabia as an exemplar our of secular humanist values.

You don't know what you're talking about. You're just making baseless assumptions all willy nilly.

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hockeybub89
08/20/22 12:24:10 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Yes, left wing atheists like me frequently hold up the likes of Saudi Arabia as an exemplar our of secular humanist values.

You don't know what you're talking about. You're just making baseless assumptions all willy nilly.
Hmm you'd think a left-winger would know not to carry water for the GOP that loves to throw the Saudi Arabia football at the Dems despite being ruled by the Trump family, which makes billions off SA and regularly praises them. And before you go "both sides", yes at the government level I know both parties accept very shitty foreign actions.

How many left-wingers that you see online are actually supporting that shithole?

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AloneIBreak
08/20/22 12:36:53 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Hmm you'd think a left-winger would know not to carry water for the GOP that loves to throw the Saudi Arabia football at the Dems despite being ruled by the Trump family, which makes billions off SA and regularly praises them. And before you go "both sides", yes at the government level I know both parties accept very shitty foreign actions.

How many left-wingers that you see online are actually supporting that shithole?
You keep quoting me but I'm not sure who you're talking to. If you can find anything I've said in support of brutally repressive Saudi government policies or cultural practices, I'd like to see it.

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Foppe
08/20/22 12:45:30 PM
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USA has started to work hard to be the next Saudi Arabia.

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hockeybub89
08/20/22 6:59:54 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
You keep quoting me but I'm not sure who you're talking to. If you can find anything I've said in support of brutally repressive Saudi government policies or cultural practices, I'd like to see it.
You did the "herp derp now CE loves free speech" shit. It seemed that you were using a horrible action by an oppressive government to dunk on the libs and some perceived hypocrisy. It came off as a weird deflection, for whatever reason you did it.

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BlackOmnimon
08/20/22 7:02:21 PM
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One of America's top allies

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GuerrillaSoldier
08/20/22 7:39:14 PM
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twitter is evil

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DrizztLink
08/20/22 7:44:01 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
You keep quoting me but I'm not sure who you're talking to. If you can find anything I've said in support of brutally repressive Saudi government policies or cultural practices, I'd like to see it.
Then why, exactly, are you in here wringing your hands over this shit?

Getting banned from Twitter for Twitter posts =\= 34 years imprisonment for Twitter posts.

Please tell me you understand that.

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Foppe
08/21/22 1:11:13 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
Then why, exactly, are you in here wringing your hands over this shit?

Getting banned from Twitter for Twitter posts =\= 34 years imprisonment for Twitter posts.

Please tell me you understand that.
Was she getting banned from twitter for posting about human rights?

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AloneIBreak
08/21/22 8:21:31 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
You did the "herp derp now CE loves free speech" shit. It seemed that you were using a horrible action by an oppressive government to dunk on the libs and some perceived hypocrisy. It came off as a weird deflection, for whatever reason you did it.
If you dont like to be criticized, just say so. I do it because it annoys me that CE libs pay lip service to free speech without really valuing it. I would much rather people just be honest and say they hold other things in higher esteem than free speech. Thats perfectly acceptable, regardless of whether I agree or disagree. I may be wrong or they may be wrong, but some honesty would be nice from our moral torchbearers. Besides, people use horrible actions to dunk on their adversaries and their perceived hypocrisy all the time. Dont act like you dont mock repugs when their elected officials do something morally obscene. You just dont like it when its you.

DrizztLink posted...
Then why, exactly, are you in here wringing your hands over this shit?
When would you prefer I point out that the so called left doesnt actually care about free speech? You dont have an argument why Im wrong because this sort of shit is exactly why free speech is important, so you moan about the timing.

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g0ldie
08/22/22 12:21:04 AM
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even if you believe liberals on this board don't value free speech, using this case to point fingers isn't the "gotcha" that you're making it out to be.

at worst, they might be saying that someone should lose their Twitter privileges, not that they should be imprisoned for their posts.

one is a censor on free speech while the other is just the loss of one platform to express it on.

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DrizztLink
08/22/22 2:35:10 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
When would you prefer I point out that the so called left doesnt actually care about free speech? You dont have an argument why Im wrong because this sort of shit is exactly why free speech is important, so you moan about the timing.
No, my precise argument is posted above and has fuck-all to do with timing.

Try again.

DrizztLink posted...
Getting banned from Twitter for Twitter posts =\= 34 years imprisonment for Twitter posts.

Please tell me you understand that.
Your free speech is not violated if you get banned from Twitter. Your free speech is violated if your tweets get you sent to jail.

Full stop, you desperately need to understand that.

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AloneIBreak
08/22/22 2:54:59 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Your free speech is not violated if you get banned from Twitter. Your free speech is violated if your tweets get you sent to jail.

Full stop, you desperately need to understand that.
Ah, youre one of those. We have very different ideas of what free speech entails, so theres little sense in discussing.

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DrizztLink
08/22/22 2:57:28 PM
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I apologize that my statement of objective fact is jarring to your delusional reality.

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AloneIBreak
08/22/22 3:07:34 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
I apologize that my statement of objective fact is jarring to your delusional reality.
If youre okay with billionaires and CEOs deciding what ideas you can be exposed to, why not the government then? What makes one worse or better than the other?

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