Poll of the Day > Trump alleging the FBI seized his passport

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Jen0125
08/16/22 8:48:51 AM
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Lmao I hope it's true
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papercup
08/16/22 9:21:06 AM
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They wont let him flee the country after committing treason :(

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HornedLion
08/16/22 9:29:47 AM
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Correction, his 3 passports.

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Lokarin
08/16/22 9:37:09 AM
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His excuse for having classified info at home

"Uhhh, I had a standing order that anything I take home is declassified"

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I bet he thinks that's smart, but that's actually MORE illegal than just taking the docs

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VampireCoyote
08/16/22 9:39:50 AM
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I love that he mentions that one of the passports is expired

why does that matter for any reason lol

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adjl
08/16/22 11:17:01 AM
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papercup posted...
They wont let him flee the country after committing treason :(

Such hardship. Very oppress. Sad.

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hera
08/16/22 11:46:06 AM
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only criminals would be bitching that the fbi took their leave the county book

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BlackScythe0
08/16/22 1:29:13 PM
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That is a fairly common thing to do with criminals.
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rjsilverthorn
08/16/22 1:35:42 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
That is a fairly common thing to do with criminals.
True, but that is normally done as part of a bail hearing when they believe the suspect is a flight risk and currently he hasn't actually been charged. Is he alleging they actively took his passports or that his passports were mixed in with other things they seized?
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Jen0125
08/16/22 1:39:31 PM
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Is it possible he has been charged under a sealed indictment? I don't know how that works.
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rjsilverthorn
08/16/22 2:09:31 PM
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OK, based on this article it was the latter and they were already returned to him.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/s-s-not-fbi-taking-trumps-passports-rcna43265
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Zenithian_Legend
08/16/22 2:33:54 PM
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Well hopefully they didn't take his birth certificate!

I still think Obama dropped the ball there, should've spent Trump's entire administration (or at least before Covid) demanding to see Trump's birth certificate. Alas, Obama surely had better things to do with his time.

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Jen0125
08/16/22 2:36:26 PM
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rjsilverthorn posted...
OK, based on this article it was the latter and they were already returned to him.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/s-s-not-fbi-taking-trumps-passports-rcna43265

Booo
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fettster777
08/16/22 4:15:01 PM
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Why does he have two non-expired passports?
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rjsilverthorn
08/16/22 4:21:53 PM
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fettster777 posted...
Why does he have two non-expired passports?
I was also wondering about that but since the FBI gave them back I'm assuming there is some legitimate way for that to occur that I'm just unaware of.
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Ogurisama
08/16/22 4:25:48 PM
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rjsilverthorn posted...
I was also wondering about that but since the FBI gave them back I'm assuming there is some legitimate way for that to occur that I'm just unaware of.
Assuming one is his normal passport, and the other is the diplomatic one. (Only legit reason i can think of)

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rjsilverthorn
08/16/22 4:31:43 PM
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Ogurisama posted...
Assuming one is his normal passport, and the other is the diplomatic one. (Only legit reason i can think of)
Yeah, but his diplomatic passport shouldn't be valid now I would think. Does FPOTUS get to keep a diplomatic passport?
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The_Doge
08/16/22 4:40:15 PM
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adjl posted...
Such hardship. Very oppress. Sad.
Wow

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hera
08/16/22 5:06:46 PM
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rjsilverthorn posted...

Yeah, but his diplomatic passport shouldn't be valid now I would think. Does FPOTUS get to keep a diplomatic passport?

i would imagine that they do given that they were still a president of the country at one point

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Metalsonic66
08/16/22 6:33:15 PM
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Inb4 he flees to Moscow

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Zenithian_Legend
08/16/22 6:33:27 PM
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fettster777 posted...
Why does he have two non-expired passports?

Oops, you said "non-expired" anyway, the article still explains it:
https://www.newsweek.com/why-donald-trump-has-three-passports-1733779

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rjsilverthorn
08/16/22 6:35:53 PM
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Zenithian_Legend posted...
Oops, you said "non-expired" anyway, the article still explains it:
https://www.newsweek.com/why-donald-trump-has-three-passports-1733779
It makes theories about it, but it doesn't actually explain it. They suggest the expired passport was his diplomatic passport and one of the two was his travel passport but they don't really have an explanation for the second non-expired one.

"The third passport that Trump may be mentioning is either the maroon-covered "official" passport that is granted to U.S. Government officials or a foreign passport, although it is unclear if the former president holds dual citizenship to another country.
The "official" passports are typically issued to Americans going abroad for U.S. government service but who are not in the diplomatic corps, like active-duty military service members and their families."
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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/22 8:13:29 PM
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/s-s-not-fbi-taking-trumps-passports-rcna43265

What a terrible article. The writer says they'll focus on the merits of the claim yet interject their own opinions. They also admit to not understanding part of the story they're reporting on.

it was difficult to know what to make of Trumps claim
It's clear. He doesn't accept the explanation of the FBI that the passports were taken unintentionally.
He thinks the passports (and other documents not pertinent to the warrant) were taken deliberately.

It would have been a better article if they did stick to the facts about what happened instead of drawing attention to their own confusion.

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hera
08/16/22 9:52:08 PM
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you know what, it is clear

clear that you purposefully cut out the beginning of that sentence in an attempt to discredit them for some reason

and then you talk about something that didn't happen given what we know, which is that trump knew he was lying.

they didn't draw their own conclusion, because it was already concluded.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/22 10:11:16 PM
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hera posted...
clear that you purposefully cut out the beginning of that sentence in an attempt to discredit them for some reason
Here's the full paragraph.

At least at first, it was difficult to know what to make of Trumps claim, given his strained relationship with reality. Sure, the former president asserted that the FBI had his passports, but all we had to go on was his word, which has no meaningful value.

Trump having a strained relationship with reality is an opinion.

The FBI confirmed they took his passports.

Trump's word having no meaningful value is an opinion. Another person could say that Trump has more credibility than the FBI due to his reputation of speaking his mind.

"At least at first" implies that the author did figure out what Trump meant. But nothing in the article demonstrates that they had any greater understanding than they started with.

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Metalsonic66
08/16/22 10:14:36 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Trump having a strained relationship with reality is an opinion.
Trump's word having no meaningful value is an opinion.
Neither are opinions; both are fact

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/22 10:19:56 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Neither are opinions; both are fact
Then it's possible to demonstrate that they are either true or false. Trump had a demonstrably better relationship with reality than the current administration has. How many videos are there of Biden shaking hands with no one?
So this statement of fact must therefore be false and this is fake news.

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ReturnOfFa
08/16/22 10:24:37 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Then it's possible to demonstrate that they are either true or false. Trump had a demonstrably better relationship with reality than the current administration has. How many videos are there of Biden shaking hands with no one?
So this statement of fact must therefore be false and this is fake news.
how odd that you'd say that but not demonstrate it

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/22 10:29:33 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
how odd that you'd say that but not demonstrate it
I thought I was discussing this with people who were informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzZzmBh63Ik

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Metalsonic66
08/16/22 10:34:37 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Trump had a demonstrably better relationship with reality than the current administration has.
Sounds like you have a rough relationship with reality

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BlackScythe0
08/16/22 10:38:42 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Then it's possible to demonstrate that they are either true or false. Trump had a demonstrably better relationship with reality than the current administration has. How many videos are there of Biden shaking hands with no one?
So this statement of fact must therefore be false and this is fake news.

Trump went before the UN told a stupid lie and got literally laughed at by the entire world.
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ReturnOfFa
08/16/22 10:39:40 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I thought I was discussing this with people who were informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzZzmBh63Ik
Ah yes, here's the DERFINTIVE PROOF!!!

He puts his arm out awkwardly. Want me to compile a video of Trump gesturing oddly, making mistakes in his movements, and naming non-real countries?

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Metalsonic66
08/16/22 10:40:00 PM
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ReturnOfFa
08/16/22 10:44:36 PM
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Trump lied 30,573 during his presidency averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day. I'm not arguing that Biden has a great grasp with reality, but if you're going to dunk him, maybe physical gaffes aren't exactly the best, since that doesn't really represent a negative 'relationship with reality' so much as it indicates clumsiness. Gerald Ford...fell a lot. Nancy Reagan...fainted a fair bit. Ronald Reagan literally suffered from dementia, something Biden definitely does not suffer from (however slow he may be at times).

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ReturnOfFa
08/16/22 10:45:36 PM
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Although, if we want to get a little more frivolous, the best 'connection with reality' that Trump had was his awesome notes, keeping him firmly connected.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/23/all-times-trumps-notes-have-been-photographed/1211349001/

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ReturnOfFa
08/16/22 10:47:25 PM
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actually, I'll just be a turd and indict his hair as an affront to a 'connection with reality'. also his tan. get real lmfao I'd shit all over my grandpa if he ever fake-tanned himself or did his hair like that before he died. fake ass weirdo shit.

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Metalsonic66
08/16/22 10:49:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure his hair is photoshopped

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/22 10:50:09 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Trump went before the UN told a stupid lie and got literally laughed at by the entire world.
I tried finding a video to see what lie they laughed at him for.
All I hear is "America's so truth".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nIhBZqZBmQ

ReturnOfFa posted...
Want me to compile a video of Trump gesturing oddly, making mistakes in his movements, and naming non-real countries?
Yes, that would be incredibly entertaining.


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BlackScythe0
08/16/22 11:06:31 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I tried finding a video to see what lie they laughed at him for.
All I hear is "America's so truth".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nIhBZqZBmQ

And you wonder why people suggest you have a tenuous grasp of reality, normally your type would claim they couldn't find the video at all. You however just choose to ignore the part where he says he's done more than any president before when they had literally just fought over Obama care for 2 years at that point internally within their traitor party.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/22 11:16:32 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
You however just choose to ignore the part where he says he's done more than any president before
That's not the part they laughed at. There's 5 seconds and another sentence between saying that and them laughing. Why don't you go further back? Are you sure they didn't laugh at "the extraordinary progress" 12 seconds earlier? Seems to me that if they laughed at the one claim they should have laughed again at the second one.

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BlackScythe0
08/16/22 11:34:35 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
That's not the part they laughed at. There's 5 seconds and another sentence between saying that and them laughing. Why don't you go further back? Are you sure they didn't laugh at "the extraordinary progress" 12 seconds earlier? Seems to me that if they laughed at the one claim they should have laughed again at the second one.

Alright guys am I the only one having trouble understanding how this guy can make fun of Biden and his dementia?
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Bubcus93
08/17/22 3:00:31 AM
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papercup posted...
They wont let him flee the country after committing treason :(
Truly it is 1984
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GoldenGod
08/17/22 4:45:58 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Alright guys am I the only one having trouble understanding how this guy can make fun of Biden and his dementia?
Nope.

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Zareth
08/17/22 5:14:36 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Trump lied 30,573 during his presidency averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day.
He doesn't lie, he shapes reality to how he wants it! He's smart, don't you know? The smartest President ever!

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SantaKhala
08/17/22 5:44:30 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I thought I was discussing this with people who were informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzZzmBh63Ik

Most leftists watch cnn, hence their lack of information.

The vast majority has no problem lying about it.

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Jen0125
08/17/22 5:59:48 PM
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SantaKhala posted...
Most leftists watch cnn, hence their lack of information.

The vast majority has no problem lying about it.


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Metalsonic66
08/17/22 6:05:52 PM
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BlackScythe0
08/17/22 6:07:35 PM
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SantaKhala posted...
Most leftists watch cnn, hence their lack of information.

The vast majority has no problem lying about it.
Yea and when you watch OAN you don't have any clue whats going on in reality. But I guess you're a big fan of nuclear espionage when it's your glorious leader doing it.
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08/17/22 6:56:11 PM
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