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KodyKeir
08/12/22 12:05:48 PM
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https://apnews.com/article/salman-rushdie-attacked-9eae99aea82cb0d39628851ecd42227a

apnews.com Author Salman Rushdie attacked on lecture stage in New York
By JOSHUA GOODMAN
2-3 minutes
CHAUTAUQUA, N.Y. (AP) Salman Rushdie, the author whose writing led to death threats from Iran in the 1980s, was attacked Friday as he was about to give a lecture in western New York.
An Associated Press reporter witnessed a man storm the stage at the Chautauqua Institution and begin punching or stabbing Rushdie as he was being introduced. The 75-year-old author was pushed or fell to the floor, and the man was restrained.
Rushdie was quickly surrounded by a small group of people who held up his legs, presumably to send more blood to his chest.
His condition was not immediately known.
Hundreds of people in the audience gasped at the sight of the attack and were then evacuated.
Rushdies book The Satanic Verses has been banned in Iran since 1988, as many Muslims consider it to be blasphemous. A year later, Irans late leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, or edict, calling for Rushdies death.
A bounty of over $3 million has also been offered for anyone who kills Rushdie.
Irans government has long since distanced itself from Khomeinis decree, but anti-Rushdie sentiment has lingered. In 2012, a semi-official Iranian religious foundation raised the bounty for Rushdie from $2.8 million to $3.3 million.
Rushdie dismissed that threat at the time, saying there was no evidence of people being interested in the reward.
That year, Rushdie published a memoir, Joseph Anton, about the fatwa. The title came from the pseudonym Rushdie had used while in hiding.
Rushdie rose to prominence with his Booker Prize-winning 1981 novel Midnights Children, but his name became known around the world after The Satanic Verses.
The Chautauqua Institution, about 55 miles southwest of Buffalo in a rural corner of New York, is known for its summertime lecture series. Rushdie has spoken there before.


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Straughan
08/12/22 12:13:35 PM
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Yeah, I've heard the name before. I looked it up and apparently extremists are usually mad at him for religious reason, right? So I'm guessing some Muslim attacked him because he's offensive to some of them?

Personally, if I was an extremist I wouldn't attack a dude, I'd want to save them or help them. Why kill them or hurt them? I've never been able to relate to people with strongly held beliefs. I've been a skeptic forever. I always was interested to learn though. I was always the scapegoat as a kid in my neighborhood because I was the only family that didn't go to church. Haha, I was the neighborhood bastard. (and yet I was a sweet boy 99% of the time, I was a bit of a prankster and pyromaniac, but nothing serious)

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streamofthesky
08/12/22 12:47:51 PM
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KodyKeir posted...
An Associated Press reporter witnessed a man storm the stage at the Chautauqua Institution and begin punching or stabbing Rushdie as he was being introduced. The 75-year-old author was pushed or fell to the floor, and the man was restrained.
Rushdie was quickly surrounded by a small group of people who held up his legs, presumably to send more blood to his chest.
His condition was not immediately known.
Uh...which one was it? Should've been an easy thing to figure out after the attack, unless the attacker has bladed fists or something.
Hopefully just punched and he survives. Sounds like it was stabbed, though...

It's NY, so the attacker will probably be given bail...
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FatalAccident
08/12/22 12:51:11 PM
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He had a fatwa put on him by the ayatollah for writing the satanic verses or sum. Was bound to get caught eventually, hope he pulls through though no reports saying hes passed yet.

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KodyKeir
08/12/22 12:55:52 PM
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Fundamentalists from many major religions have made threats against him for his writings, so let's not jump to conclusions as to which radical extremist group the attacker identified with.

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SoreChasm
08/12/22 12:57:19 PM
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Straughan posted...
Personally, if I was an extremist I wouldn't attack a dude, I'd want to save them or help them.
That doesn't really sound like an extremist, tbh.

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Muscles
08/12/22 1:21:49 PM
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Is any group as sensitive as Islam? It's like they don't understand the concept of just not reading/watching/listening to something you don't like

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 1:53:21 PM
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KodyKeir posted...
Fundamentalists from many major religions have made threats against him for his writings, so let's not jump to conclusions as to which radical extremist group the attacker identified with.
agreed

Muscles posted...
Is any group as sensitive as Islam? It's like they don't understand the concept of just not reading/watching/listening to something you don't like
Evangelist Christians. But yes, the more Conservative segments of Islam are outrageous.

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VampireCoyote
08/12/22 2:25:37 PM
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Muscles posted...
Is any group as sensitive as Islam? It's like they don't understand the concept of just not reading/watching/listening to something you don't like

literally christians

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CynicalZealot
08/12/22 2:35:31 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Evangelist Christians.

To be fair, I'm not sure I've ever heard of any Evangelist Christians murdering cartoonists for drawing pictures of Jesus.

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Muscles
08/12/22 3:09:58 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
literally christians
The episodes of South Park that talk about Muhammad are all banned but the Jesus ones are all still there...

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Cacciato
08/12/22 3:35:34 PM
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Muscles posted...
Is any group as sensitive as Islam? It's like they don't understand the concept of just not reading/watching/listening to something you don't like
You genuinely never cease to amaze me with the shit you say
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BlackScythe0
08/12/22 3:36:28 PM
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Cacciato posted...
You genuinely never cease to amaze me with the shit you say

Crying over a war on christmas is completely justified and not sensitive at all.
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Muscles
08/12/22 3:39:08 PM
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Killing artists is worse than whatever stupid whining Christians do, they just want to bitch and put warning labels on art in modern times (still stupid censorship but not as bad as literally killing them or threatening to)

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Jen0125
08/12/22 3:47:40 PM
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Muscles posted...
Killing artists is worse than whatever stupid whining Christians do, they just want to bitch and put warning labels on art in modern times (still stupid censorship but not as bad as literally killing them or threatening to)

We are literally on the brink of a Christofacist takeover where women have already lost rights to their medical privacy lmfao did you forget that?
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Jen0125
08/12/22 3:49:10 PM
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I'm sure muscles forgot because who cares about women's rights lmfao
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Muscles
08/12/22 3:56:28 PM
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Are you really trying to claim Christianity treats women worse than Islam?

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BlackScythe0
08/12/22 3:57:20 PM
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Muscles posted...
Killing artists is worse than whatever stupid whining Christians do, they just want to bitch and put warning labels on art in modern times (still stupid censorship but not as bad as literally killing them or threatening to)

Acting like christians don't kill doctors and stuff.
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BlackScythe0
08/12/22 3:58:43 PM
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Muscles posted...
Are you really trying to claim Christianity treats women worse than Islam?

They want to treat them the same.
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Jen0125
08/12/22 4:04:14 PM
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Muscles posted...
Are you really trying to claim Christianity treats women worse than Islam?

At least Muslim women can get abortions in many of their countries lmfao

Are you really trying to defend Christianity just to put down another religion? Do you want to address what I actually said and explain how it's okay or makes Christians better or more morally valid than Muslims?
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Tutoria
08/12/22 4:07:16 PM
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CynicalZealot posted...
To be fair, I'm not sure I've ever heard of any Evangelist Christians murdering cartoonists for drawing pictures of Jesus.
because pictures of Jesus arent offensive to them. there are however plenty of examples of dead women and minorities as a result of their regressive views from positions of power.

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Jen0125
08/12/22 4:09:33 PM
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Christians don't want to hurt anyone or anything.. Except women... Homosexuals.. Transgender people.. Interracial relationships... Medical rights... Birth control accessibility..

They're just perf
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Muscles
08/12/22 4:39:48 PM
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Christianity does a lot of terrible things, Islam is still worse though

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Jen0125
08/12/22 4:41:39 PM
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I thought Christians just wanted to enact censorship on art? Make up your mind.
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Far-Queue
08/12/22 4:45:05 PM
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Eating cat shit is terrible, dog shit is still worse though

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Muscles
08/12/22 4:46:16 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I thought Christians just wanted to enact censorship? Make up your mind.
I never contradicted myself, as far as media/art goes, Christians want to ban or put warning labels on things they find blasphemous, Muslims straight up want to kill the creators. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Christianity in all other regards too.

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Jen0125
08/12/22 4:51:50 PM
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Muscles posted...
I never contradicted myself, as far as media/art goes, Christians want to ban or put warning labels on things they find blasphemous, Muslims straight up want to kill the creators. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Christianity in all other regards too.

Christians literally want homosexuals dead lmao Christians literally want to kill women. I don't understand. I really hope one day you grow up and stop being this way.
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Jen0125
08/12/22 4:52:34 PM
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Christians are better because they just want to kill the gays, not the artists. Lmfao another hot take from muscles.
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BlackScythe0
08/12/22 5:03:46 PM
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Muscles posted...
I never contradicted myself, as far as media/art goes, Christians want to ban or put warning labels on things they find blasphemous, Muslims straight up want to kill the creators. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Christianity in all other regards too.

Imagine trying to argue "Yea these guys suck, but these guys are worse"

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 5:10:16 PM
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CynicalZealot posted...
To be fair, I'm not sure I've ever heard of any Evangelist Christians murdering cartoonists for drawing pictures of Jesus.
You've never heard of Christians murdering people over things?

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 5:11:53 PM
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I know that not all of these are Christians, but many are. I think it's odd how little we compile all of the American right-wing terrorism that occurs, much of it Christian-committed or inspired. The KKK may be opposed to Catholics, but they are an explicitly Protestant Christian organization, so good luck separating White Nationalist terrorism from Christianity. If you're going to paint Muslims as extremists for their terrorists, then at least give the same judgement to all of these extreme Christian orgs.

https://youtu.be/_OFudWnMJSU

https://youtu.be/Fkn4ugYO6uc

https://youtu.be/AQvqfS2kvFw

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 5:18:13 PM
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All events were perpetrated by Christians and/or they quoted Christian scripture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knight_(murderer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller (killing of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Charles_Kopp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Gary_Matson_and_Winfield_Mowder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood
https://www.courthousenews.com/tennessee-man-who-plotted-to-burn-down-a-mosque-resentenced/

Anyone defending Christianity over Islam has their head in the sand.

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BlackScythe0
08/12/22 5:31:46 PM
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I don't think it's "one upping" to ask Muscles why someone would try "You shouldn't be upset about this group of bad people because there is a worse group of people"
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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 5:54:58 PM
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Muslces is auto-assigning blame to a specific group and claiming that they're definitely more violent. Not trying to say which religious sect is worse, just pointing out they all bad, so don't use one to cover for the other.

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Zareth
08/12/22 5:56:53 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Not trying to say which religious sect is worse, just pointing out they all bad
Buddhism is pretty cool in general

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 5:56:59 PM
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or would it be comforting for me to just shut up and agree with the people that claim that Muslims are definitively more reactive that Christians lol

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 5:58:32 PM
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Zareth posted...
Buddhism is pretty cool in general
eh, somewhat by modern standards. still been a lot of violence from them, there still is in myanmar, and I feel like it's one of the most appropriated religions for the new-age idiots, who detach themselves from reality.

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Zareth
08/12/22 5:59:55 PM
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Yeah you're probably right they all suck. Atheists and agnostics don't kill people purely because they're atheists or agnostic.

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 6:26:34 PM
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Zareth posted...
Yeah you're probably right they all suck. Atheists and agnostics don't kill people purely because they're atheists or agnostic.
Oddly I think most of them realize it's not the best way to convince people.

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Muscles
08/12/22 6:35:57 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
I don't think it's "one upping" to ask Muscles why someone would try "You shouldn't be upset about this group of bad people because there is a worse group of people"
I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset by the bad things Christianity does, it's part of the reason why I'm not a Christian anymore, I'm not the one that brought up Christianity though, I wasn't comparing them until people came along with their whataboutism

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BlackScythe0
08/12/22 6:59:45 PM
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Muscles posted...
I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset by the bad things Christianity does, it's part of the reason why I'm not a Christian anymore, I'm not the one that brought up Christianity though, I wasn't comparing them until people came along with their whataboutism

Dude you asked a question with a known and obvious answer.
Muscles posted...
Is any group as sensitive as Islam? It's like they don't understand the concept of just not reading/watching/listening to something you don't like

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 7:07:53 PM
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How it started:
Muscles posted...
Is any group as sensitive as Islam? It's like they don't understand the concept of just not reading/watching/listening to something you don't like

You brought it up. You started the whataboutism with 'whatabout muslims'.

Then you made this claim:
Muscles posted...
Killing artists is worse than whatever stupid whining Christians do, they just want to bitch and put warning labels on art in modern times (still stupid censorship but not as bad as literally killing them or threatening to)

Like, this stabbing very well could be Islamic violence. But it's objectively hilarious that a former Christian would take the opportunity to minimize Christian violence this hard. Like bruh, I just posted a 3 hour compilation of Christian violence that definitely isn't 'just bitching about warning labels' lmfao

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Muscles
08/12/22 8:15:14 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
How it started:

You brought it up. You started the whataboutism with 'whatabout muslims'.

Then you made this claim:

Like, this stabbing very well could be Islamic violence. But it's objectively hilarious that a former Christian would take the opportunity to minimize Christian violence this hard. Like bruh, I just posted a 3 hour compilation of Christian violence that definitely isn't 'just bitching about warning labels' lmfao
The topic is about Muslim violence towards an author so I'm not sure how that's whataboutism. And for the 2nd part, just because I'm a former Christian that thinks they do a lot of stupid things and hold stupid beliefs doesn't mean I discount the good they do. Your general Joe shmoe Christian isn't a bad guy in my experience. It's when you start getting into televangelists and big corrupt churches that problems arise.

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 8:19:57 PM
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Muscles posted...
The topic is about Muslim violence towards an author so I'm not sure how that's whataboutism. And for the 2nd part, just because I'm a former Christian that thinks they do a lot of stupid things and hold stupid beliefs doesn't mean I discount the good they do. Your general Joe shmoe Christian isn't a bad guy in my experience. It's when you start getting into televangelists and big corrupt churches that problems arise.
Uh no, the topic is about Salman Rushdie getting stabbed. You decided to claim that Muslims do less violence than Christians as a little add-on.

You did discount Christian violence by suggesting that they're mainly concerned with minor things like warning labels. Now, that's kinda discounting Christian violence by omission, so I get it if you're not that aware of it. Maybe you're not aware you do/did this. You should absolutely acknowledge that Christian extremists are just as violent, just as reactive, and just as plentiful (if not way more in the USA) as Islamic extremists.

Yeah, I know that a "joe shmoe Christian" isn't a bad guy, generally. Although, the way Christians vote in America, I could see why people start to see them as 'bad guys'. My mom would probably be dead under the weird Christian influenced abortion laws in many of the US states.

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 8:22:48 PM
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Muscles posted...
Christianity does a lot of terrible things, Islam is still worse though
you put it quite plainly. both suck and trying to act like one is better is falling for one of them, even if you have milquetoast critique for it

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Jen0125
08/12/22 8:25:17 PM
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Why do you discount the good that Muslims do through Islam? Is it just because you are Islamophobic?
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ReturnOfFa
08/12/22 8:27:50 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Why do you discount the good that Muslims do through Islam? Is it just because you are Islamophobic?
*Sam Harris appears*

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Lokarin
08/12/22 8:57:01 PM
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CynicalZealot posted...
To be fair, I'm not sure I've ever heard of any Evangelist Christians murdering cartoonists for drawing pictures of Jesus.

I have... if you draw an LGBT Jesus

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streamofthesky
08/12/22 10:02:41 PM
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