Board 8 > Was the matrix resurrections the worst matrix movie you've ever seen?

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CedarPointcp
08/10/22 10:46:05 AM
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do you think it was?
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paperwarior
08/10/22 11:08:33 AM
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I didn't, but RLM made it sound kind of fun as a meta-criticism of studio demand for big blockbuster sequels.

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CedarPointcp
08/10/22 11:09:31 AM
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what is rlm?
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paperwarior
08/10/22 11:12:19 AM
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Red Letter Media, the Youtube-based movie commentary group.

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MacArrowny
08/10/22 11:38:38 AM
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It was better than Revolutions at least, but it wasn't amazing

RLM is terrible

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WazzupGenius00
08/10/22 11:41:21 AM
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Revolutions was worse. Neither of them are particularly bad though, just okay

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/10/22 12:03:15 PM
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MacArrowny posted...
RLM is terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

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LightningStrikes
08/10/22 12:24:55 PM
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Its far better than Revolutions. The meta-stuff in the first half is great, I was loving it and thinking it could even be up there with 1, but then it falls into a much less interesting groove before redeeming itself with a good ending.

1>2>4>>>3

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redrocket
08/10/22 12:30:15 PM
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No, Revolutions is worse.

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GuessMyUserName
08/10/22 12:34:41 PM
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LightningStrikes posted...
Its far better than Revolutions. The meta-stuff in the first half is great, I was loving it and thinking it could even be up there with 1, but then it falls into a much less interesting groove before redeeming itself with a good ending.

1>2>4>>>3


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MacArrowny
08/10/22 12:35:53 PM
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Resurrection's plot is good and all, but the action scenes suuuuck. It's insane that they spent $200M on this.

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Anagram
08/10/22 12:53:02 PM
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It has the dubious honor of being the second best Matrix film.

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pezzicle
08/10/22 12:58:51 PM
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Revolutions is worse

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FBike1
08/10/22 1:10:09 PM
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No, because I haven't seen it.

Not that it would take that much to make it not the worst.
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lordjers
08/10/22 1:57:30 PM
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Yes, it made Revolutions look good.

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banananor
08/10/22 2:03:52 PM
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no. matrix 2 and especially 3 were such nonsensical disappointments. as dumb as parts of 4 were, it's better than at least one of those

RLM is terrible
i really liked red letter media at first. after it ran out of star wars prequel movies to dunk on, i realized its niche wasn't giving accurate reviews. its niche was making everything look terrible and laughing at it as hard as possible.

kind of like how "zero punctuation" wasn't about accurate reviews, it was about coming up with the most creative and entertaining metaphors for "thing is bad"

i still think RLM is good entertainment, i just wouldn't trust their reviews to be accurate. in their defense, a lot of stuff is bad- a broken clock is right 70% of the time, or whatever. in the end, they're putting on a show and making money

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LinkMarioSamus
08/10/22 2:06:57 PM
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Some people even blame RLM for the sequel trilogy. Doesn't help Mr. Plinkett liked the 2009 Star Trek and said he thinks J. J. Abrams should have directed the prequels.

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/10/22 2:08:52 PM
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banananor posted...
i really liked red letter media at first. after it ran out of star wars prequel movies to dunk on, i realized its niche wasn't giving accurate reviews. its niche was making everything look terrible and laughing at it as hard as possible.

kind of like how "zero punctuation" wasn't about accurate reviews, it was about coming up with the most creative and entertaining metaphors for "thing is bad"

i still think RLM is good entertainment, i just wouldn't trust their reviews to be accurate. in their defense, a lot of stuff is bad- a broken clock is right 70% of the time, or whatever. in the end, they're putting on a show and making money

i kind of agree that their reviews aren't accurate (mike in particular is a pretty terrible movie critic, as much as i love him) but "they want to make everything look terrible" is bullshit. there's literally been hundreds of movies they gave positive reviews.

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SuperVergil
08/10/22 2:12:39 PM
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It made me re-evaluate the second and third entry, so, yes Resurrections is the worst Matrix movie I've seen.

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LightningStrikes
08/10/22 2:13:57 PM
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Reloaded is great, by the way.

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/10/22 2:16:40 PM
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LightningStrikes posted...
Reloaded is great, by the way.

yeah that dance scene that took 86 hours was amazing filmmaking

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XIII_Rocks
08/10/22 2:24:08 PM
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Better than 3

I've got a soft spot for 2

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Lopen
08/10/22 2:54:01 PM
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Reloaded is great dance scene aside.

2 >= 1 >> 4 >> 3 is how I place them. It was underwhelming but as I wasn't expecting anything I can't even call 4 a disappointment really. It was better than 3 at least.

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Maniac64
08/10/22 3:05:04 PM
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1 > 4 > 2 > 3

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/10/22 3:27:50 PM
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Lopen posted...
Reloaded is great dance scene aside.

there's plenty of shit wrong with that movie beside the dance scene.

the burly brawl already didn't look that great at the time but jesus christ, did the CGI in that scene not age well.

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Lopen
08/10/22 3:42:57 PM
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As someone who rewatches Matrix 2 somewhat regularly I have to disagree.

I mean yes it looks a bit silly at times but it always did. The spectacle is what it's there for and it still succeeds at that.

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redrocket
08/10/22 4:15:45 PM
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Lopen posted...
2 >= 1

Holy

Shit

Like, I count myself as a defender of Reloaded too

but no

just no.

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LinkMarioSamus
08/10/22 4:17:51 PM
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For what it's worth Roger Ebert gave Reloaded a higher score than he gave the original.

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MacArrowny
08/10/22 4:19:01 PM
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Mr_Lasastryke posted...
there's plenty of shit wrong with that movie beside the dance scene.

the burly brawl already didn't look that great at the time but jesus christ, did the CGI in that scene not age well.
and yet it's still much better than any of the fights in Resurrections

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UshiromiyaEva
08/10/22 4:26:58 PM
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banananor posted...
its niche was making everything look terrible and laughing at it as hard as possible.


...huh?

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AriaOfBolo
08/10/22 4:31:41 PM
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never got around to seeing it, they're gonna take my trans license

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Lopen
08/10/22 4:47:44 PM
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redrocket posted...
Holy

Shit

Like, I count myself as a defender of Reloaded too

but no

just no.

Get in line heard this plenty.

For what it's worth I think this is less me being super high on Reloaded and more me being not as high on whatever the Matrix is supposed to be doing.

To me at its core The Matrix series is basically just a string of philosophical babble into fight scenes repeated ad nauseam in a really cool world setting. People say the first one is like really deep and stuff but I never really saw that.

Matrix is a bit more compelling in setting it up early but Reloaded adds to the lore in an interesting enough way and has much better fight scenes and babble.

Revolutions makes the world setting boring with all the mecha suit fighting and no Matrix and has worse babble and fight scenes by far.

Resurrections kinda recaptures the intrigue of the first early but doesn't pay it off very well and has pretty lame fight scenes.

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Seginustemple
08/10/22 5:08:23 PM
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I was surprised how much I enjoyed Resurrections, maybe my second favorite of the bunch

With RLM I get the sense the main guy only sounds insightful/knowledgeable as long as he's going after low-hanging fruit. I used to enjoy the Plinkett reviews back in the day but on revisiting them I found them needlessly nitpicky, like in one of the Star Trek movies he spends five minutes harping on Picard mishandling a prop because it contradicts the precedent set in Season 5 Episode 13 or w/e for how that prop was handled, and just stuff where you'd have to be scanning for things to complain about. And it only tracks because the movies are already easy targets

I like it more when Jay brings a guest on to do something like Eraserhead and they can both be enthusiastic about it

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/10/22 5:36:23 PM
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Seginustemple posted...
With RLM I get the sense the main guy only sounds insightful/knowledgeable as long as he's going after low-hanging fruit. I used to enjoy the Plinkett reviews back in the day but on revisiting them I found them needlessly nitpicky, like in one of the Star Trek movies he spends five minutes harping on Picard mishandling a prop because it contradicts the precedent set in Season 5 Episode 13 or w/e for how that prop was handled, and just stuff where you'd have to be scanning for things to complain about. And it only tracks because the movies are already easy targets

plinkett did review the force awakens. he didn't dislike the movie at all but he makes some very good points about it nonetheless.

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lordjers
08/10/22 6:33:22 PM
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Lopen posted...
Get in line heard this plenty.

For what it's worth I think this is less me being super high on Reloaded and more me being not as high on whatever the Matrix is supposed to be doing.

To me at its core The Matrix series is basically just a string of philosophical babble into fight scenes repeated ad nauseam in a really cool world setting. People say the first one is like really deep and stuff but I never really saw that.

Matrix is a bit more compelling in setting it up early but Reloaded adds to the lore in an interesting enough way and has much better fight scenes and babble.

Revolutions makes the world setting boring with all the mecha suit fighting and no Matrix and has worse babble and fight scenes by far.

Resurrections kinda recaptures the intrigue of the first early but doesn't pay it off very well and has pretty lame fight scenes.

I got you. I too liked the expanded lore in Reloaded. Many will say The Matrix shouldn't have had sequels, but the way that movie ended left you with a "now what?" feeling. I really needed more than "we're all inside a matrix". Now add the killer action and you've got my favorite Matrix movie. Resurrections is pretty bad though, it does have intrigue at first but the good just doesn't outweigh the bad.

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jcgamer107
08/10/22 8:59:18 PM
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Yes

First 2 (and Animatrix) are great, then there's a quality drop-off before 3 and 4 with 3 being a bit better

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foolm0r0n
08/11/22 1:52:52 AM
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I liked 1 the best for a long time but then I looked up all the cool scenes and music and realized they were all actually from 2

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TheRock1525
08/11/22 1:56:20 AM
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It is not the worst Matrix movie I've ever seen since I haven't seen it.

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MacArrowny
08/11/22 2:08:02 AM
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Reloaded's soundtrack is absolutely incredible.

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GuessMyUserName
08/11/22 2:45:38 AM
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foolm0r0n posted...
I liked 1 the best for a long time but then I looked up all the cool scenes and music and realized they were all actually from 2
i still prefer 1 but i mean yeah 2 has a lot of absolute top scenes in it

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Lopen
08/11/22 10:06:01 AM
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lordjers posted...
I got you. I too liked the expanded lore in Reloaded. Many will say The Matrix shouldn't have had sequels, but the way that movie ended left you with a "now what?" feeling. I really needed more than "we're all inside a matrix". Now add the killer action and you've got my favorite Matrix movie. Resurrections is pretty bad though, it does have intrigue at first but the good just doesn't outweigh the bad.

Yeah I think a lot of people unfairly put the failings on the third movie on Reloaded.

Like if you paid off the ending sequence with the Matrix inside a Matrix theory that a lot of people put out there or pretty much anything that isn't mecha fighting outside of the titular setting people wouldn't hate on it as much.

It's perfectly good as "movie that expands on the first in a good enough way and gives us lots of good action scenes" but in a vacuum it doesn't have a strong story arc of its own, being by and large to build the finale, and the thing is it builds up to a total flop.

But I still love it because the story is just good enough to serve as a vehicle for some awesome action scenes in the Matrix and I don't really need more than that. If anything the third and fourth movies being a flop in that regard makes me appreciate Reloaded because you aren't getting those badass scenes anywhere else and the series had its chances to deliver them.

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/11/22 11:11:03 AM
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i agree that "we're in another matrix" would have been a far better direction for the story to go in revolutions than "neo is jesus," yeah.

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Aecioo
08/11/22 11:20:04 AM
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foolm0r0n posted...
I liked 1 the best for a long time but then I looked up all the cool scenes and music and realized they were all actually from 2

Oof

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