Poll of the Day > I think both "woke" and "anti-woke" have gone too far.

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11110111011 08/11/22 1:59:31 PM #52:	adjl posted... A political opinion is an opinion on the state of society and the world. That's it, and that means politics are indeed "the world's problems." Even the enlightened centrist position of "I don't care about politics" is a political opinion, because it amounts to "I'm okay with the status quo and would rather ignore it than try to change it in any way." Whether or not expressing opinions on the state of society will actually change anything is easy to question, of course, since nice words on the Internet don't do much, but the position you're promoting is one of ignoring the world's problems so you can enjoy consuming media more mindlessly. That is your prerogative, and I quite understand that it's more enjoyable than flailing futilely against issues you can't actually change, but you need to at least recognize that that's what you're doing. In truth, I fully expect that almost every piece of media you've consumed has had some sort of political message, and there have definitely been politically significant issues at work behind the scenes. You've just chosen not to acknowledge it. I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'. It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great. Nice generalizations there. I tend to do the same thing. For example, all people who choose to be in politics for a living are criminals and horrible people. All of them, zero exceptions. I don't care what side you are on. Those who cheer them on like some professional baseball team and only cares if their team is winning are even worse. It's a lot like religion or war. You pick a side and learn the mantra and repeat it over and over without having to think. Then you find the enemy and de-humanize them so you can hate large groups of people across the board. If you want to feel like you are solving the world's problems that is your prerogative, but you need to understand you are just wasting oxygen. If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. <cite>11110111011 posted [p:967236666] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite><quote>A political opinion is an opinion on the state of society and the world. That's it, and that means politics are indeed "the world's problems." Even the enlightened centrist position of "I don't care about politics" is a political opinion, because it amounts to "I'm okay with the status quo and would rather ignore it than try to change it in any way." Whether or not expressing opinions on the state of society will actually change anything is easy to question, of course, since nice words on the Internet don't do much, but the position you're promoting is one of ignoring the world's problems so you can enjoy consuming media more mindlessly. That is your prerogative, and I quite understand that it's more enjoyable than flailing futilely against issues you can't actually change, but you need to at least recognize that that's what you're doing.In truth, I fully expect that almost every piece of media you've consumed has had some sort of political message, and there have definitely been politically significant issues at work behind the scenes. You've just chosen not to acknowledge it.</quote>I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'. It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great. Nice generalizations there. I tend to do the same thing. For example, all people who choose to be in politics for a living are criminals and horrible people. All of them, zero exceptions. I don't care what side you are on. Those who cheer them on like some professional baseball team and only cares if their team is winning are even worse. It's a lot like religion or war. You pick a side and learn the mantra and repeat it over and over without having to think. Then you find the enemy and de-humanize them so you can hate large groups of people across the board.If you want to feel like you are solving the world's problems that is your prerogative, but you need to understand you are just wasting oxygen. If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off.A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 2:01:45 PM #53:	11110111011 posted... I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'. It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great. Nice generalizations there. That's true. I mean, I have tons of friends that don't care about politics, and I love them, but they are definitely just avoiding it. Fair to point out that they could still be rightfully upset with the 'status quo', although I don't think adjl any claim against that. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967236721] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>11110111011 posted... </cite><quote>I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'. It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great. Nice generalizations there. </quote>That's true. I mean, I have tons of friends that don't care about politics, and I love them, but they are definitely just avoiding it. Fair to point out that they could still be rightfully upset with the 'status quo', although I don't think adjl any claim against that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 2:02:32 PM #54:	11110111011 posted... If you want to feel like you are solving the world's problems that is your prerogative, but you need to understand you are just wasting oxygen. If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off. Individualism doesn't work. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967236740] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>11110111011 posted... </cite><quote>If you want to feel like you are solving the world's problems that is your prerogative, but you need to understand you are just wasting oxygen. If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off.</quote>Individualism doesn't work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/11/22 2:04:23 PM #55:	ReturnOfFa posted... white people should feel guilty lol edit, and I don't mean in some 'woe is me' way, but taking accountability for real history - any level of denial is infantile. most people are in denial about history, especially Americans. as for a 'snotty college kid protesting a comedian'...just ignore it. I know this might just be a difference in taste, but I think Dave Chappelle just primarily complains these days as opposed to focusing on comedy. if some 'snotty college kid' wants to protest a comedian, are they not free to? are you not free to ignore them? everyone seems to conflate the stuff that social media pushes at them as 'reality', but you can literally just turn it off and go to a Chappelle show if you like. is he 'cancelled'? are the couple of venue re-schedules that he's dealt with really that different from what the average comedian/band/musician goes through while booking a tour? Lol. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:967236791] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted...</cite><quote>white people should feel guilty loledit, and I don't mean in some 'woe is me' way, but taking accountability for real history - any level of denial is infantile. most people are in denial about history, especially Americans.as for a 'snotty college kid protesting a comedian'...just ignore it. I know this might just be a difference in taste, but I think Dave Chappelle just primarily complains these days as opposed to focusing on comedy. if some 'snotty college kid' wants to protest a comedian, are they not free to? are you not free to ignore them? everyone seems to conflate the stuff that social media pushes at them as 'reality', but you can literally just turn it off and go to a Chappelle show if you like. is he 'cancelled'? are the couple of venue re-schedules that he's dealt with really that different from what the average comedian/band/musician goes through while booking a tour?</quote>Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 2:06:31 PM #56:	Revelation34 posted... Lol. Even the person I was discussing this with was in agreeance with some of the details of my argument, even though they disagreed with that statement. Try to at least bring a bit of discussion to the table. I really seem to think that people in this discussion have different concepts of 'guilt'. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967236835] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite><quote>Lol.</quote>Even the person I was discussing this with was in agreeance with some of the details of my argument, even though they disagreed with that statement. Try to at least bring a bit of discussion to the table. I really seem to think that people in this discussion have different concepts of 'guilt'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 2:08:10 PM #57:	like bruh my grandparent's generation stuck needles through the tongues of the grandparents of friends of mine for speaking their native tongue. meanwhile everyone was like 'oh, these stinky lazy savages'. chill. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967236878] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>like bruh my grandparent's generation stuck needles through the tongues of the grandparents of friends of mine for speaking their native tongue. meanwhile everyone was like 'oh, these stinky lazy savages'. chill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jiffdiff 08/11/22 2:09:49 PM #58:	ReturnOfFa posted... white people should feel guilty lol White people should acknowledge historical realities and seek to ameliorate ongoing systemic oppression, but individuals should in no way feel guilty for things they haven't done. That is extremely unhealthy both personally and from a societal perspective. <cite>jiffdiff posted [p:967236914] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>white people should feel guilty lol</quote>White people should acknowledge historical realities and seek to ameliorate ongoing systemic oppression, but individuals should in no way feel guilty for things they haven't done. That is extremely unhealthy both personally and from a societal perspective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 2:10:30 PM #59:	jiffdiff posted... White people should acknowledge historical realities and seek to ameliorate ongoing systemic oppression, but individuals should in no way feel guilty for things they haven't done. That is extremely unhealthy both personally and from a societal perspective. As I said, I would suggest that we are seemingly working from different understandings of acknowledging and experiencing guilt. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967236934] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>jiffdiff posted... </cite><quote>White people should acknowledge historical realities and seek to ameliorate ongoing systemic oppression, but individuals should in no way feel guilty for things they haven't done. That is extremely unhealthy both personally and from a societal perspective.</quote>As I said, I would suggest that we are seemingly working from different understandings of acknowledging and experiencing guilt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/11/22 2:48:49 PM #60:	Gaawa_chan posted... Corporations engaging in "wokeness" is just a byproduct of capitalism. Anti-wokers need to grow the fuck up; if you don't think a product appeals to you for reasons as shallow as "it has a woman main character" "it has a poc supporting character" "it has a gay/trans background character," don't buy it. Creators are under no obligation to exclusively make products that only appeal to whiny bigots. It's actually the imperitive of buyers to voice their displeasure. They're not just not paying up, they're making clear to the seller what they will buy so they can correct. This applies to both sides, you can't only complain when it's your opposition doing it. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:967237837] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted...</cite><quote>Corporations engaging in "wokeness" is just a byproduct of capitalism. Anti-wokers need to grow the fuck up; if you don't think a product appeals to you for reasons as shallow as "it has a woman main character" "it has a poc supporting character" "it has a gay/trans background character," don't buy it. Creators are under no obligation to exclusively make products that only appeal to whiny bigots.</quote>It's actually the imperitive of buyers to voice their displeasure. They're not just not paying up, they're making clear to the seller what they will buy so they can correct. This applies to both sides, you can't only complain when it's your opposition doing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/11/22 2:56:10 PM #61:	ReturnOfFa posted... Even the person I was discussing this with was in agreeance with some of the details of my argument, even though they disagreed with that statement. Try to at least bring a bit of discussion to the table. I really seem to think that people in this discussion have different concepts of 'guilt'. Neither sides of my family were even in North America when slavery was around. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:967238008] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted...</cite><quote>Even the person I was discussing this with was in agreeance with some of the details of my argument, even though they disagreed with that statement. Try to at least bring a bit of discussion to the table. I really seem to think that people in this discussion have different concepts of 'guilt'.</quote>Neither sides of my family were even in North America when slavery was around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/11/22 3:33:34 PM #62:	rexcrk posted... I get what youre saying but yeah Im not gonna feel bad about something I didnt do. I think the issue people have with this is the distinction between personally feeling bad for something and feeling bad that that thing happened. Do I personally feel bad for Canada's residential school program? No. I didn't have anything to do with it and the last one closed when I was 7. Do I feel bad about it when I consider the harms that it caused and continues to cause? Absolutely. Sure, I didn't personally commit genocide, but that doesn't mean I can't say "that was wrong" and incorporate that belief and attitude moving forward, including making personal contributions to solving the problems where appropriate (that's actually literally my job, but that's beside the point). The problem arises in that a whole lot of people don't like feeling bad about history (especially history that paints their "group" in a bad light), so they tend to gravitate toward teaching and promoting curricula that leave out the parts that feel bad. Then, when others suggest not sanitizing an ugly history like that and embracing those feelings of guilt, that gets conflated with feeling personally guilty and those same people jump to "stop blaming me for slavery." This fear of "white guilt" has been taken much too far and turned into an outright denial of objective facts, at the expense of learning how to deal with the realities of history. Basically, when presented with the news that your ancestors did something horrible, you're going to feel bad. Let that happen. Don't take it personally, but also don't pretend there's no reason to feel bad, because feeling bad about being in any way connected to bad things is normal and healthy. That's what cultivates personal and cultural attitudes of wanting to prevent those things from happening again and fix the resultant problems. 11110111011 posted... I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'. I don't assume that. I know it to be true. Whether it's a matter of taking comfort in pretending the real problems don't exist or giving up because you don't believe you can do anything, choosing to not care about society's problems is - by definition - avoiding them. In many cases, that choice is quite justifiable, but you should be justifying it (which you have done with your follow-up posts) instead of trying to insist that it's not the choice you've made. 11110111011 posted... It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great. Not necessarily great, but they at least consider it to not be bad enough to be worth worrying about. If they didn't think that, they would worry about it. 11110111011 posted... For example, all people who choose to be in politics for a living are criminals and horrible people. All of them, zero exceptions. I don't care what side you are on. Those who cheer them on like some professional baseball team and only cares if their team is winning are even worse. It's a lot like religion or war. You pick a side and learn the mantra and repeat it over and over without having to think. Then you find the enemy and de-humanize them so you can hate large groups of people across the board. I don't entirely disagree. There are a few good eggs here and there, but by and large, politicians have very little interest in using their power to improve anyone's lives but their own, and treating party affiliations as a matter of immutable personal identity is really stupid and harmful. That's why I prefer to discuss issues individually, not in terms of parties (except when the time comes to promote votes for a party that best aligns with my positions on those issues). Voting happens in terms of people, but political philosophy should not. 11110111011 posted... If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off. Most of the problems relevant to "wokeness" are created by other people, and fixing them entails fostering a culture in which creating those problems is discouraged. Not everything happens on an individual basis. Kyuubi4269 posted... It's actually the imperitive of buyers to voice their displeasure. They're not just not paying up, they're making clear to the seller what they will buy so they can correct. This applies to both sides, you can't only complain when it's your opposition doing it. To reprise my post from with this or a similar topic, it's really quite entertaining to see the "If you don't like what a company is doing, vote with your wallet" crowd whining about "cancel culture" as though it's not simply the expected outcome of a free market responding to a cultural shift away from tolerating such attitudes and behaviours. It turns out that's only an acceptable strategy when it yields the results they want. Who knew? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:967238967] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>rexcrk posted... </cite><quote>I get what youre saying but yeah Im not gonna feel bad about something I didnt do.</quote>I think the issue people have with this is the distinction between personally feeling bad for something and feeling bad that that thing happened. Do I personally feel bad for Canada's residential school program? No. I didn't have anything to do with it and the last one closed when I was 7. Do I feel bad about it when I consider the harms that it caused and continues to cause? Absolutely. Sure, I didn't personally commit genocide, but that doesn't mean I can't say "that was wrong" and incorporate that belief and attitude moving forward, including making personal contributions to solving the problems where appropriate (that's actually literally my job, but that's beside the point).The problem arises in that a whole lot of people don't like feeling bad about history (especially history that paints their "group" in a bad light), so they tend to gravitate toward teaching and promoting curricula that leave out the parts that feel bad. Then, when others suggest not sanitizing an ugly history like that and embracing those feelings of guilt, that gets conflated with feeling personally guilty and those same people jump to "stop blaming me for slavery." This fear of "white guilt" has been taken much too far and turned into an outright denial of objective facts, at the expense of learning how to deal with the realities of history.Basically, when presented with the news that your ancestors did something horrible, you're going to feel bad. Let that happen. Don't take it personally, but also don't pretend there's no reason to feel bad, because feeling bad about being in any way connected to bad things is normal and healthy. That's what cultivates personal and cultural attitudes of wanting to prevent those things from happening again and fix the resultant problems.11110111011 posted... </cite><quote>I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'.</quote>I don't assume that. I know it to be true. Whether it's a matter of taking comfort in pretending the real problems don't exist or giving up because you don't believe you can do anything, choosing to not care about society's problems is - by definition - avoiding them. In many cases, that choice is quite justifiable, but you should be justifying it (which you have done with your follow-up posts) instead of trying to insist that it's not the choice you've made.11110111011 posted... </cite><quote>It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great.</quote>Not necessarily great, but they at least consider it to not be bad enough to be worth worrying about. If they didn't think that, they would worry about it. 11110111011 posted... </cite><quote>For example, all people who choose to be in politics for a living are criminals and horrible people. All of them, zero exceptions. I don't care what side you are on. Those who cheer them on like some professional baseball team and only cares if their team is winning are even worse. It's a lot like religion or war. You pick a side and learn the mantra and repeat it over and over without having to think. Then you find the enemy and de-humanize them so you can hate large groups of people across the board.</quote>I don't entirely disagree. There are a few good eggs here and there, but by and large, politicians have very little interest in using their power to improve anyone's lives but their own, and treating party affiliations as a matter of immutable personal identity is really stupid and harmful. That's why I prefer to discuss issues individually, not in terms of parties (except when the time comes to promote votes for a party that best aligns with my positions on those issues). Voting happens in terms of people, but political philosophy should not.11110111011 posted... </cite><quote>If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off.</quote>Most of the problems relevant to "wokeness" are created by other people, and fixing them entails fostering a culture in which creating those problems is discouraged. Not everything happens on an individual basis.Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite><quote>It's actually the imperitive of buyers to voice their displeasure. They're not just not paying up, they're making clear to the seller what they will buy so they can correct. This applies to both sides, you can't only complain when it's your opposition doing it.</quote>To reprise my post from with this or a similar topic, it's really quite entertaining to see the "If you don't like what a company is doing, vote with your wallet" crowd whining about "cancel culture" as though it's not simply the expected outcome of a free market responding to a cultural shift away from tolerating such attitudes and behaviours. It turns out that's only an acceptable strategy when it yields the results they want. Who knew?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 3:38:02 PM #63:	Revelation34 posted... Neither sides of my family were even in North America when slavery was around. When did your family come to North America? Mine ranged between the 1890s-1920s generally. I know I'm coming from a Canadian perspective, so I'm definitely emphasizing Natives more, but we both live on a land with that legacy. Yeah, you can make the claim that lands were just conquered back then, people murdered. I think it's the scale that's important to reflect on in regards to the Americas, and all the broken promises. Your family still benefits from something built on the backs of slaves, and being like 'whoa I came here later' is still somewhat of a deflection. Where did your family come from? Somewhere white majority? Elsewhere? When? --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967239089] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite><quote>Neither sides of my family were even in North America when slavery was around.</quote>When did your family come to North America? Mine ranged between the 1890s-1920s generally. I know I'm coming from a Canadian perspective, so I'm definitely emphasizing Natives more, but we both live on a land with that legacy. Yeah, you can make the claim that lands were just conquered back then, people murdered. I think it's the scale that's important to reflect on in regards to the Americas, and all the broken promises.Your family still benefits from something built on the backs of slaves, and being like 'whoa I came here later' is still somewhat of a deflection. Where did your family come from? Somewhere white majority? Elsewhere? When?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/11/22 4:43:03 PM #64:	Revelation34 posted... Neither sides of my family were even in North America when slavery was around. Because only American white people have ever done anything wrong --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:967240408] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite><quote>Neither sides of my family were even in North America when slavery was around.</quote>Because only American white people have ever done anything wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 5:02:22 PM #65:	Metalsonic66 posted... Because only American white people have ever done anything wrong imagine being told of your people's historical wrongs and deflecting to the historical wrongs of others instead of just owning it lmfao --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967240756] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite><quote>Because only American white people have ever done anything wrong</quote>imagine being told of your people's historical wrongs and deflecting to the historical wrongs of others instead of just owning it lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 08/11/22 5:07:16 PM #66:	we are all the same people there is no your peoples --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:967240823] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>we are all the same peoplethere is no your peoples</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/11/22 5:40:18 PM #67:	VampireCoyote posted... we are all the same people there is no your peoples I am definitely descended from Northern Europeans. To disassociate yourself from the past of your people is to be in denial. Yes, of course we are 'all one' - and I can celebrate this with friends of all colours. However, using this to deflect from historical truths shows navety and an unwillingness to grapple with truths. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967241567] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>VampireCoyote posted... </cite><quote>we are all the same peoplethere is no your peoples</quote>I am definitely descended from Northern Europeans. To disassociate yourself from the past of your people is to be in denial. Yes, of course we are 'all one' - and I can celebrate this with friends of all colours. However, using this to deflect from historical truths shows navety and an unwillingness to grapple with truths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/12/22 4:54:55 AM #68:	Metalsonic66 posted... Because only American white people have ever done anything wrong Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:967252242] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite><quote>Because only American white people have ever done anything wrong </quote>Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 08/12/22 5:02:01 AM #69:	ReturnOfFa posted... I am definitely descended from Northern Europeans. To disassociate yourself from the past of your people is to be in denial. Yes, of course we are 'all one' - and I can celebrate this with friends of all colours. However, using this to deflect from historical truths shows navety and an unwillingness to grapple with truths. what Im saying is that its dumb to lump people together because of their ethnicity like they are all part of the same clan or something its both toxic and inaccurate of reality --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:967252299] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>I am definitely descended from Northern Europeans. To disassociate yourself from the past of your people is to be in denial. Yes, of course we are 'all one' - and I can celebrate this with friends of all colours. However, using this to deflect from historical truths shows navety and an unwillingness to grapple with truths.</quote>what Im saying is that its dumb to lump people together because of their ethnicity like they are all part of the same clan or somethingits both toxic and inaccurate of reality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/12/22 12:31:01 PM #70:	Revelation34 posted... Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally. Whoooooosh --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:967258325] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite><quote>Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally.</quote>Whoooooosh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/12/22 12:50:04 PM #71:	Metalsonic66 posted... Whoooooosh Revelation34 posted... Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:967258738] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite><quote>Whoooooosh</quote>Revelation34 posted...</cite><quote>Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/12/22 12:54:22 PM #72:	Nuance is hard for Rev --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:967258837] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Nuance is hard for Rev</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/12/22 1:55:04 PM #73:	Revelation34 posted... Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally. XD --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967260259] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite><quote>Wouldn't matter since I didn't do anything personally.</quote>XD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/12/22 1:58:08 PM #74:	"Your father killed my father!" "Wasn't me!" -Rev "Well, can you admit it was your father?" "Who cares, it wasn't me!" -Rev I know you'll point to this as an oversimplification, but can you at least see how that would come across as a form of denial? Or at least just being a bit of an ass? Like I said, my family arrived in Canada only during the last 3 generations of my family. They didn't murder or steal Native babies, but they...didn't care that this happened, and badmouthed Natives as lazy alcoholics when children were literally still being forcibly removed from their families. Then...sexually assaulted in many cases. Yeah, I didn't do those things, but I'm not going to be like 'WHOA WHOA, LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS' when discussing it with Native friends. That'd be a fucking dick move. Same with the whole 'WHOA WHOA, I DIDN'T ENSLAVE YOUR GRANDPA' vibe. Yeah...we know buddy. Sounds like you don't give a shit, and it sounds like your semi-recently arrived European family didn't give a shit either lmao. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967260311] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>"Your father killed my father!""Wasn't me!" -Rev"Well, can you admit it was your father?""Who cares, it wasn't me!" -RevI know you'll point to this as an oversimplification, but can you at least see how that would come across as a form of denial? Or at least just being a bit of an ass?Like I said, my family arrived in Canada only during the last 3 generations of my family. They didn't murder or steal Native babies, but they...didn't care that this happened, and badmouthed Natives as lazy alcoholics when children were literally still being forcibly removed from their families. Then...sexually assaulted in many cases. Yeah, I didn't do those things, but I'm not going to be like 'WHOA WHOA, LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS' when discussing it with Native friends. That'd be a fucking dick move.Same with the whole 'WHOA WHOA, I DIDN'T ENSLAVE YOUR GRANDPA' vibe. Yeah...we know buddy. Sounds like you don't give a shit, and it sounds like your semi-recently arrived European family didn't give a shit either lmao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/12/22 2:01:10 PM #75:	I will both be 'woke' and insult people with 'anti-woke' insults. Cheers. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:967260371] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>I will both be 'woke' and insult people with 'anti-woke' insults. Cheers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 08/12/22 2:01:38 PM #76:	Dammit this thread had to get tons of posts but then my "Ferarri619 watches TV with PotD" thread gets nothing. I'm locking this thread tonight >:( --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:967260379] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>Dammit this thread had to get tons of posts but then my "Ferarri619 watches TV with PotD" thread gets nothing.I'm locking this thread tonight >:(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/12/22 3:18:08 PM #77:	ReturnOfFa posted... "Your father killed my father!" "Wasn't me!" -Rev "Well, can you admit it was your father?" "Who cares, it wasn't me!" -Rev I know you'll point to this as an oversimplification, but can you at least see how that would come across as a form of denial? Or at least just being a bit of an ass? Like I said, my family arrived in Canada only during the last 3 generations of my family. They didn't murder or steal Native babies, but they...didn't care that this happened, and badmouthed Natives as lazy alcoholics when children were literally still being forcibly removed from their families. Then...sexually assaulted in many cases. Yeah, I didn't do those things, but I'm not going to be like 'WHOA WHOA, LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS' when discussing it with Native friends. That'd be a fucking dick move. Same with the whole 'WHOA WHOA, I DIDN'T ENSLAVE YOUR GRANDPA' vibe. Yeah...we know buddy. Sounds like you don't give a shit though, and it sounds like your semi-recently arrived European family didn't give a shit either lmao. That's honestly the funniest shit. Recent immigrants not giving a shit about American history or even being racist. You can say what your ancestors did was wrong without feeling guilty about it at the same time. You shouldn't feel pride or shame about your race, you didn't choose that. I'm sure my ancestors did terrible things, I feel terrible that they happened, but I don't even have a connection to my lineage past my great grand parents who died when I was 11. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:967262030] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>"Your father killed my father!""Wasn't me!" -Rev"Well, can you admit it was your father?""Who cares, it wasn't me!" -RevI know you'll point to this as an oversimplification, but can you at least see how that would come across as a form of denial? Or at least just being a bit of an ass?Like I said, my family arrived in Canada only during the last 3 generations of my family. They didn't murder or steal Native babies, but they...didn't care that this happened, and badmouthed Natives as lazy alcoholics when children were literally still being forcibly removed from their families. Then...sexually assaulted in many cases. Yeah, I didn't do those things, but I'm not going to be like 'WHOA WHOA, LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS' when discussing it with Native friends. That'd be a fucking dick move.Same with the whole 'WHOA WHOA, I DIDN'T ENSLAVE YOUR GRANDPA' vibe. Yeah...we know buddy. Sounds like you don't give a shit though, and it sounds like your semi-recently arrived European family didn't give a shit either lmao. That's honestly the funniest shit. Recent immigrants not giving a shit about American history or even being racist.</quote>You can say what your ancestors did was wrong without feeling guilty about it at the same time. You shouldn't feel pride or shame about your race, you didn't choose that. I'm sure my ancestors did terrible things, I feel terrible that they happened, but I don't even have a connection to my lineage past my great grand parents who died when I was 11.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
11110111011 08/12/22 3:18:40 PM #78:	ReturnOfFa posted... "Your father killed my father!" "Wasn't me!" -Rev "Well, can you admit it was your father?" "Who cares, it wasn't me!" -Rev I know you'll point to this as an oversimplification, but can you at least see how that would come across as a form of denial? Or at least just being a bit of an ass? No. I see nothing wrong with that statement. He didn't do it, so why blame him? <cite>11110111011 posted [p:967262045] in I think bo... [t:80124192]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>"Your father killed my father!""Wasn't me!" -Rev"Well, can you admit it was your father?""Who cares, it wasn't me!" -RevI know you'll point to this as an oversimplification, but can you at least see how that would come across as a form of denial? Or at least just being a bit of an ass?</quote>No. I see nothing wrong with that statement. He didn't do it, so why blame him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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