Current Events > Bridget from Guilty Gear comes out as trans.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/11/22 11:28:11 PM
#155:


CyricZ posted...
Is there something to be taken from it?
They only refer to themselves as a girl in 1/3 of endings where they self-refer, a boy in the other 2.
Admittedly, the character is just nonsensical, the VA is female, the proportions are female and the face is female yet it's a boy somehow. Doesn't really make sense but yes according to the material they're nonbinary or something

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blackrider76
08/12/22 12:35:56 AM
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Ive only played a little of Accent Core (which did have bad endings IIRC), so idk how endings or their canonicity apply in Strive.

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R_Jackal
08/12/22 1:11:41 AM
#157:


blackrider76 posted...
Ive only played a little of Accent Core (which did have bad endings IIRC), so idk how endings or their canonicity apply in Strive.
Honestly, the storyline in Guilty Gear really isn't worth getting too caught up in the idea of Canon with. It's basically just a clusterfuck of cool anime shit happening, with a nice helping of comedy and drama splashed in.

Not to mention timeline shenanigans seem to happen fairly frequently.
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MordecaiRocks
08/12/22 2:04:41 AM
#158:


Wow Goldlewis really is based

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CyricZ
08/12/22 6:41:04 AM
#159:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
They only refer to themselves as a girl in 1/3 of endings where they self-refer, a boy in the other 2.
Admittedly, the character is just nonsensical, the VA is female, the proportions are female and the face is female yet it's a boy somehow. Doesn't really make sense but yes according to the material they're nonbinary or something
Wait, how did you come to the conclusion Bridget is nonbinary?

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/12/22 9:12:30 PM
#160:


CyricZ posted...
Wait, how did you come to the conclusion Bridget is nonbinary?
Idk if that's the right term but if they refer to themselves as a girl sometimes and a boy other times then what else are they

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creativerealms
08/12/22 9:20:04 PM
#161:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Idk if that's the right term but if they refer to themselves as a girl sometimes and a boy other times then what else are they
Gender fluid.

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DocileOrangeCup
08/12/22 9:26:26 PM
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I feel like it's not a very healthy portrayal of a trans character since it was literally "be forced to be a girl or die" at birth.

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CyricZ
08/12/22 9:36:29 PM
#163:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Idk if that's the right term but if they refer to themselves as a girl sometimes and a boy other times then what else are they
I would humbly request that if you've not the slightest idea of what the terms mean then you not just throw them out like that.

Regardless, it's a long walk to say that because a mere 90% of players would see Bridget's non-flawless ending, that it casts into doubt whether her saying she IDs as a girl is canon. Nothing in the any other ending contradicts her statement. In fact, in most of them, she does reflect on her "true self", even if she doesn't outright state it.

Really, this is just nitpicking for reasons to deny it.

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CyricZ
08/12/22 9:38:18 PM
#164:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
I feel like it's not a very healthy portrayal of a trans character since it was literally "be forced to be a girl or die" at birth.
As was said earlier in the topic, she's already moved past all that. She identified as a boy throughout her earlier appearances specifically to defy her homeland's superstition. Now that's she's proven her worth, she can take the time to realize that she actually does identify as a girl, and that her being forced to present as a girl had nothing to do with that.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/12/22 10:16:33 PM
#165:


CyricZ posted...
Regardless, it's a long walk to say
No, it really isn't. A character saying something that contradicts your idea of what they identify as...is valid. Just to state the obvious.

Also they refer to themselves as a boy in the ending that's even easier to access so your point about people being filtered by the hard-to-get endings falls flat. And also because true (canon) endings are almost always the ones that are harder to attain, anyway.

Sorry but however you spin it, two boys and a girl does not average out to a girl. lol.

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DocileOrangeCup
08/12/22 10:28:09 PM
#166:


CyricZ posted...
As was said earlier in the topic, she's already moved past all that. She identified as a boy throughout her earlier appearances specifically to defy her homeland's superstition. Now that's she's proven her worth, she can take the time to realize that she actually does identify as a girl, and that her being forced to present as a girl had nothing to do with that.
It seems a bit disingenuous to have a character be forced into being a girl to survive, only to have them come out as trans later and claim that their upbringing had nothing to do with it. I'm not necessarily hating on this, I just feel like it's important to have trans characters that aren't trans for weird reasons in media.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Stuff


There's also this stuff which seems like maybe they're going for a leo from tekken route? Where the characters gender just changes randomly.

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Blue_Inigo
08/12/22 10:38:22 PM
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My brother in Christ, she has the trans symbol on her head, all of her story is her internal struggle with identity, and she blatantly says "I'm a girl"

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CyricZ
08/12/22 10:43:32 PM
#168:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
It seems a bit disingenuous to have a character be forced into being a girl to survive, only to have them come out as trans later and claim that their upbringing had nothing to do with it. I'm not necessarily hating on this, I just feel like it's important to have trans characters that aren't trans for weird reasons in media.
What is the "weird reason" that she's trans, in your eyes?

Because she's not trans because of her back story.

There's also this stuff which seems like maybe they're going for a leo from tekken route? Where the characters gender just changes randomly.
Even a longer walk.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Sorry but however you spin it, two boys and a girl does not average out to a girl. lol.
Are you not even paying attention to the dialogue? Every time she says "I'm... a boy" it's always with resignation. She says she's a girl with conviction.

You're just looking for reasons to deny it at this point. The dialogue is right there and you're trying to poke holes in it. Why?

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Blue_Inigo
08/12/22 10:45:43 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/8/1/AAaaLFAADjtJ.jpg
Like, cmon lol.

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ElatedVenusaur
08/12/22 10:48:14 PM
#170:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
It seems a bit disingenuous to have a character be forced into being a girl to survive, only to have them come out as trans later and claim that their upbringing had nothing to do with it. I'm not necessarily hating on this, I just feel like it's important to have trans characters that aren't trans for weird reasons in media.
LOL my dude, if that worked, there wouldn't be any fucking trans people. I wouldn't be trans!
And yet, there are, because how you were raised doesn't have much bearing on that. All it informs you is how you perceive what it means to be a man/woman.

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reb0rn
08/12/22 10:49:35 PM
#171:


Just another clumsy "see, we're progressive too! now give us more money" Hollywood move as usual.
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Blue_Inigo
08/12/22 10:50:53 PM
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I see you pulled out the alt for that display of dumbassery

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CyricZ
08/12/22 10:53:32 PM
#173:


reb0rn posted...
Just another clumsy "see, we're progressive too! now give us more money" Hollywood move as usual.
"Curse the Guilty Gear series that was made by Hollywood."


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DocileOrangeCup
08/12/22 10:59:23 PM
#174:


CyricZ posted...
What is the "weird reason" that she's trans, in your eyes?
Because she's not trans because of her back story.


It would be weird to assume there's no relation to the reason they were brought up as a girl and them being trans as an (i think?) adult. Like, it's totally fine if they're trans but it seems weird to imply being raised as a girl has nothing to do with it.
so i guess the weird reason would be being forced to be a girl from birth
like if i dressed like a girl for a long time it'd probably effect how i view my gender and shit
CyricZ posted...
Even a longer walk.
I don't know what that means. But Leo is ambiguous in Tekken 6, then a girl in Tag 2, and is now currently a guy in T7.

ElatedVenusaur posted...
LOL my dude, if that worked, there wouldn't be any fucking trans people. I wouldn't be trans!
And yet, there are, because how you were raised doesn't have much bearing on that. All it informs you is how you perceive what it means to be a man/woman.
I am really confused by everything in this topic

Blue_Inigo posted...
I see you pulled out the alt for that display of dumbassery
wait do you think that's me

i should just stick to posting about dumb stuff this is making me feel weird

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Blue_Inigo
08/12/22 11:09:57 PM
#176:


That was a general "you" DoC

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DocileOrangeCup
08/12/22 11:11:03 PM
#177:


Blue_Inigo posted...
That was a general "you" DoC
hmm ok. i should probably sort myself out before talking about trans stuff lol...

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Bad_Mojo
08/12/22 11:14:13 PM
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I only know of the meme, but I would think that would be kind of offensive now. Well, I wouldn't find it offensive, but my opinion means nothing

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Medussa
08/12/22 11:24:21 PM
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r/eggbutnotirl

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reb0rn
08/12/22 11:55:09 PM
#180:


CyricZ posted...
"Curse the Guilty Gear series that was made by Hollywood."

The entertainment industry.
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Tyranthraxus
08/12/22 11:59:25 PM
#181:


reb0rn posted...
The entertainment industry.

There's only one entertainment industry for the entire world and it's all a giant conspiracy.

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ElatedVenusaur
08/13/22 12:39:03 AM
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https://twitter.com/Brynkiwi/status/1557485606682312704

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/13/22 12:41:37 AM
#183:


CyricZ posted...
Are you not even paying attention to the dialogue? Every time she says "I'm... a boy" it's always with resignation. She says she's a girl with conviction.
Not really, they say they're a boy with embarrassment more than anything else which makes sense given that they're a male dressed like a girl. It lines up perfectly with the "...it's a long story..." line that follows. Are YOU paying attention?

The real question is why you're ignoring that they self-refer as a boy sometimes like it doesn't count or something and then hyper-focusing one 1 dialogue out of 9 like it's the only one that happened

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Tyranthraxus
08/13/22 12:42:08 AM
#184:


Blahaj is for everyone

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EyeWontBeFooled
08/13/22 12:43:53 AM
#185:


Bad_Mojo posted...
I only know of the meme, but I would think that would be kind of offensive now. Well, I wouldn't find it offensive, but my opinion means nothing
It hasn't aged well.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/13/22 12:46:45 AM
#186:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
There's also this stuff which seems like maybe they're going for a leo from tekken route? Where the characters gender just changes randomly.
Bingo. It's deliberately ambiguous so people can have their own theories, they're essentially "genderfluid" or something akin to that

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Blue_Inigo
08/13/22 2:12:43 AM
#187:


It is literally not ambiguous. Cut the bullshit

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Foppe
08/13/22 2:19:59 AM
#188:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://twitter.com/Brynkiwi/status/1557485606682312704
Yay Blhaj!

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DeadBankerDream
08/13/22 2:33:38 AM
#189:


Why is she wearing a handcuff on her waist, though?

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Blue_Inigo
08/13/22 3:35:48 AM
#190:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Why is she wearing a handcuff on her waist, though?
Chastity cuff

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Sufferedphoneix
08/13/22 4:24:55 AM
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Didn't Bridget always get mad when people assumed he was a girl? Even had the male symbol on his head piece. Well I guess she now. Couldn't think of the proper way to word that cause in those games Bridget made a point to say she was a boy.

It's whatever though cause it never made much sense to me for someone who hated to be called a girl to keep dressing as one. This character development actually is an improvement.

Might have to check this game out. I originally didn't stick around with the newer guilty gears because Bridget wasn't in it from all I could I tell. Hopefully she isn't too different playwise now.

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Akagami_Shanks
08/13/22 4:37:06 AM
#192:


i have no idea why this is striking a chord with people, just say ok and move on.

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CyricZ
08/13/22 7:41:50 AM
#193:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Not really, they say they're a boy with embarrassment more than anything else which makes sense given that they're a male dressed like a girl. It lines up perfectly with the "...it's a long story..." line that follows. Are YOU paying attention?
Yes. Embarrassment, resignation. You can easily hear it all. None of that is present when she IDs as a girl. Take a hint, buddy.

The real question is why you're ignoring that they self-refer as a boy sometimes like it doesn't count or something and then hyper-focusing one 1 dialogue out of 9 like it's the only one that happened
Bridget has ID'd as a boy for years and we all know exactly why because the story was pretty explicit on that.

The real question is why this dialogue of clear signs of personal character development is the one YOU choose to say doesn't count.

I mean we all know the reason, but by all means, waste all of your weekend trying to show me the board of crazy you have tacked to your wall trying to explain it mathematically.

Continue to tell us that "two boy + one girl = I'm just asking questions".

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reb0rn
08/13/22 9:41:46 AM
#194:


Tyranthraxus posted...
There's only one entertainment industry for the entire world and it's all a giant conspiracy.

Sacrificing intellectual honesty for snark is so passe.
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CyricZ
08/13/22 10:09:04 AM
#195:


reb0rn posted...
Sacrificing intellectual honesty for snark is so passe.
Pretending broad strokes are intellectual honesty is gauche.

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reb0rn
08/13/22 12:04:59 PM
#196:


CyricZ posted...
Pretending broad strokes are intellectual honesty is gauche.

Yup, it's just pure coincidence that a 20-year-old character is suddenly revealed to be trans at a time when transsexuality is a very culturally popular subject. It should not even cross one's mind that the developers may just be pandering, because studios never do that.
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CyricZ
08/13/22 12:14:32 PM
#197:


reb0rn posted...
Yup, it's just pure coincidence that a 20-year-old character is suddenly revealed to be trans at a time when transsexuality is a very big cultural talking point. It should not even cross one's mind that the developers may just be pandering, because studios never do that.
Oh look who's not above using snark. Maybe it's time to stop pretending you were ever being intellectually honest.

And reconcile with the fact that you just suspect the worst in everyone, which no one here can help you with, unfortunately.

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Tyranthraxus
08/13/22 12:16:34 PM
#198:


reb0rn posted...
Yup, it's just pure coincidence that a 20-year-old character is suddenly revealed to be trans at a time when transsexuality is a very big cultural talking point. It should not even cross one's mind that the developers may just be pandering, because studios never do that.

Is transexuality a very big talking point in Japan though, seeing as that's where the game was made.

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MedeaLysistrata
08/13/22 12:18:53 PM
#199:


Why is pandering even a bad thing? I don't think one character's gender compromises the artistic vision for the series.

Pandering would be making her the best character in the game.

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reb0rn
08/13/22 12:20:52 PM
#200:


CyricZ posted...
Oh look who's not above using snark. Maybe it's time to stop pretending you were ever being intellectually honest.

Are you seriously criticizing me for using snark in response to snark? That's like getting punched in the face for punching someone first, and then going "Well well, look who's not above violence!" Uh, of course I'm gonna return the favor when you dish it out first.

And reconcile with the fact that you just suspect the worst in everyone, which no one here can help you with, unfortunately.

No, I don't assume the worst in everyone; I'm just reasonably cynical when it comes to studio motives, because they have a vested interest in maximizing profit and pandering to popular talking points is a time-tested method. Sorry that I don't share your starry-eyed optimism.
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IShall_Run_Amok
08/13/22 12:21:19 PM
#201:


reb0rn posted...
Yup, it's just pure coincidence that a 20-year-old character is suddenly revealed to be trans at a time when transsexuality is a very big cultural talking point. It should not even cross one's mind that the developers may just be pandering, because studios never do that.
I hope it was done on purpose and that there's nothing you can do about it. All your favorite characters are trans now. Or more. I dare you to ask what Goku's pronouns are.

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reb0rn
08/13/22 12:24:21 PM
#202:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
Why is pandering even a bad thing? I don't think one character's gender compromises the artistic vision for the series.

Because more often than not, it feels forced/hollow at best; at worst, it takes a sensitive subject and handles it in a clumsy/irresponsible way because its implementation doesn't come from a place of sincerity.
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MedeaLysistrata
08/13/22 12:27:03 PM
#203:


reb0rn posted...
Because more often than not, it feels hollow/forced at best; at worst, it takes a sensitive subject and handles it in a clumsy/irresponsible way because its implementation doesn't come from a place of sincerity.

That's capitalist logic that doesn't bother me tbh. Trans people existing is a sensitive subject for some, but extremely uncontroversial for others.

If you think the character being badly written will make trans people look bad, that's the part where the writers listen and improve.

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Prestoff
08/13/22 12:32:52 PM
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Kind of weird to call it pandering when transgenderism isn't even a hot subject in Japan, where the game is mostly marketed towards. I just have a feeling most people don't want LBGTQ+ characters in their game. Reminds me of that one game made by kotaro uchikoshi that mentions them and weebs were getting pissed that the suppose dub was unloyal to the original script, only for them to realize it was also in the Japanese version as well. They had to use cognitive dissonance that he is not Japanese but brainwashed by western media. This is an amazing time to be alive.

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