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Paragon21XX
07/24/22 12:14:51 PM
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And neither are you in any position to claim that scalding hot water is a proportional and reasonable response to the threat displayed by the customers.

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Paragon21XX
07/24/22 12:18:45 PM
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I guess you don't know the meaning of the words "proportional" and "reasonable." So sad.

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KobiusBrandle_F
07/24/22 12:22:42 PM
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*ctrl + Fs thru the topic checking if a mod has chimed in so i can see where they stand on this topic*

*sees castlevania boy defending the customers*

welp better not voice my opinion on this one

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Alucard188
07/24/22 12:30:16 PM
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KobiusBrandle_F posted...
*ctrl + Fs thru the topic checking if a mod has chimed in so i can see where they stand on this topic*

*sees castlevania boy defending the customers*

welp better not voice my opinion on this one

*wanking motion*

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Heavy_D_Forever
07/24/22 12:31:16 PM
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Those customers can get fucked. You go behind the counter and anything that happens to you is 100% your fault. I hope the case gets thrown out and those bitches are scarred for life.

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Paragon21XX
07/24/22 12:34:44 PM
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You need to remove the plank out of your own eye before making comments like this.

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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 12:39:52 PM
#212:


Paragon21XX posted...
I guess you don't know the meaning of the words "proportional" and "reasonable." So sad.

No one else has even tried to answer this question. Will you?

TheOtherMike posted...
What other weapon should the employees used to defend themselves?

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aurlen
07/24/22 12:51:52 PM
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Is the karate ignoramous done posting? I couldn't even get through the thread reading them
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aurlen
07/24/22 12:52:24 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
No one else has even tried to answer this question. Will you?
Fire packets! Lol
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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 12:55:22 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Have to side with the customers here. They're not allowed to be back there, but what that employee did was straight up felony assault. They were cleaning the fryers. That is fucking boiling. Easy lawsuit.
What's the difference between boiling water and a gun? Yes, I know guns are probably not allowed at work, but say this was outside. Is a self-defense weapon that can kill via burn worse than one that can kill via bleed?
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ThePopcornKing
07/24/22 12:57:41 PM
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In first world developed countries you defense has to be proportionate force. I know the USA is a socially undeveloped nation, but is it really a case of any perceived threat= justification for any retaliation/pre-emptive strike?

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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 12:59:08 PM
#218:


ThePopcornKing posted...
In first world developed countries you defense has to be proportionate force. I know the USA is a socially undeveloped nation, but is it really a case of any perceived threat= justification for any retaliation/pre-emptive strike?
Well shit I guess innocent people better let themselves be beaten because the government failed to civilize America.

You have to expect that everyone is looking to cause you harm in current America.
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NeoShadowhen
07/24/22 1:01:22 PM
#219:


ThePopcornKing posted...
In first world developed countries you defense has to be proportionate force. I know the USA is a socially undeveloped nation, but is it really a case of any perceived threat= justification for any retaliation/pre-emptive strike.

So you cant kill someone in self defense until theyve killed you?

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XxKrebsxX
07/24/22 1:04:02 PM
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Went behind the counter. Fair, next.
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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:05:51 PM
#221:


George Zimmerman was wrong because he pursued Trayvon Martin, not because you can't shoot someone who is punching you.
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ThePopcornKing
07/24/22 1:09:34 PM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
So you cant kill someone in self defense until theyve killed you?

You cant execute someone because they push you, no.

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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 1:14:58 PM
#224:


ThePopcornKing posted...
In first world developed countries you defense has to be proportionate force.

Will you answer this question?

TheOtherMike posted...
What other weapon should the employees used to defend themselves?


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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:19:08 PM
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Just permanently disfigure.

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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:19:58 PM
#227:


ThePopcornKing posted...
You cant execute someone because they push you, no.
You use the weapons at your disposal and survive/stop the threat. The outcome is secondary. You can't expect regular people to stay calm and collected, even in a civilized country
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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 1:21:05 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Just permanently disfigure.

TheOtherMike posted...
What other weapon should the employees used to defend themselves?


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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:23:52 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Just permanently disfigure.
If someone stabbed someone in the face in self-defense, would you say the same thing? I'm real big on empathy, but having it while literally being attacked just means you're going to be injured or worse. Contrary to movies, you don't look badass for smiling through a beating, just like you lack any self-preservation.
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ThePopcornKing
07/24/22 1:23:57 PM
#230:


Deutschenlied posted...
You use the weapons at your disposal and survive/stop the threat. The outcome is secondary. You can't expect regular people to stay calm and collected, even in a civilized country

I mean you can and we do.

Someone approaching you, where you're already in a group of people, doesn't justify lethal force.


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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:25:28 PM
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Self defense requires an imminent threat, and those women didn't do anything but raise their voices. So a weapon isn't required at all.

Thanks again for the shitty attempt at a gotcha. Next time try letting The Other Other Mike make an attempt at a funny.

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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 1:27:44 PM
#234:


ThePopcornKing posted...
I mean you can and we do.

Someone approaching you, where you're already in a group of people, doesn't justify lethal force.

1. No one used lethal force.
2. Angry customers moving behind the counter and shoving an employee is not simply "someone approaching you."
3. Being in a group is irrelevant to acting in self-defense.

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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:27:45 PM
#235:


ThePopcornKing posted...
I mean you can and we do.

Someone approaching you, where you're already in a group of people, doesn't justify lethal force.
I wish we all could be as perfect as you, reading intentions and applying the exact amount of force to subdue a threat without any harm to anyone. America needs cops like you. You know, the people we should expect to stay calm and deescalate situations.

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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 1:28:31 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Self defense requires an imminent threat, and those women didn't do anything but raise their voices.

This is a blatant lie.

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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:29:34 PM
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They casually walked to the edge of the counter. They didn't brandish weapons, they didn't even raise their fists. I'm sorry but that hot water was extremely disproportionate to what actually happened.

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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:29:49 PM
#238:


TheOtherMike posted...
This is a blatant lie.
Show me where they did anything but yell.

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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 1:30:35 PM
#239:


A_Good_Boy posted...
They casually walked to the edge of the counter.

TheOtherMike posted...
This is a blatant lie.


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Baha05
07/24/22 1:30:46 PM
#240:


Deutschenlied posted...
I wish we all could be as perfect as you, reading intentions and applying the exact amount of force to subdue a threat without any harm to anyone. America needs cops like you. You know, the people we should expect to stay calm and deescalate situations.
Guess you are the kind of person that sees when a cop is clearly in the wrong that they are 100% justified in killing

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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:31:05 PM
#241:


A_Good_Boy posted...
They casually walked to the edge of the counter. They didn't brandish weapons, they didn't even raise their fists. I'm sorry but that hot water was extremely disproportionate to what actually happened.
Some people care about their own wellbeing.
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Prestoff
07/24/22 1:31:31 PM
#242:


Both parties were in the wrong, but one side deserves to get sued for unprofessionalism possible lifetime damages and the other deserves to get no sympathy for doing something idiotic as going behind the counter. You're basically asking for trouble to go into somewhere that you don't belong.

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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:33:42 PM
#243:


Deutschenlied posted...
If someone stabbed someone in the face in self-defense, would you say the same thing? I'm real big on empathy, but having it while literally being attacked just means you're going to be injured or worse. Contrary to movies, you don't look badass for smiling through a beating, just like you lack any self-preservation.
If someone was stabbed because they were irate because fast food employees were routinely messing up their order then I'd say the same thing too.

You need to re-examine your definition of the word "attacked" because those customers didn't attack those people in the slightest. The employees messed up their order twice from the drive through and when the customers went inside they refused to fix it again, then they locked the customers inside and poured boiling water on them. I'm sorry but those customers didn't do anything wrong but demand better customer service and those shitty employees did literally everything wrong, including escalate the situation to the point that they attempted to feel "justified" in permanently disfiguring them. They're gonna get their ass kicked in that lawsuit.

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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:34:21 PM
#244:


Deutschenlied posted...
Some people care about their own wellbeing.
The altercation is on camera, their well-being was never in jeapordy.

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CruelBuffalo
07/24/22 1:34:48 PM
#245:


Prestoff posted...
Both parties were in the wrong, but one side deserves to get sued for unprofessionalism possible lifetime damages and the other deserves to get no sympathy for doing something idiotic as going behind the counter. You're basically asking for trouble to go into somewhere that you don't belong.


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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:35:27 PM
#246:


OK Mike then prove it. Provide the time stamp where they did anything besides casually walk to the edge of the counter.

I guess we'll be waiting and waiting and waiting.

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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:36:13 PM
#247:


Baha05 posted...
Guess you are the kind of person that sees when a cop is clearly in the wrong that they are 100% justified in killing
Cops are professionals and every cop in the wrong in a killing should serve 25 to life. Cops have to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us and be willing to sacrifice their lives. Anyone who can't handle that has no business being paid to protect public safety.

Employees like this would be fully justified and it's not their responsibility what happens in the fight. It's not like it was premeditated. You'd ruin an innocent person's life for reacting like a scared human being?
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A_Good_Boy
07/24/22 1:37:59 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

If Mike can't provide that timestamp then you're more than welcome to jump in and provide it for him.

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Baha05
07/24/22 1:38:31 PM
#250:


Deutschenlied posted...
Cops are professionals and every cop in the wrong in a killing should serve 25 to life. Cops have to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us and be willing to sacrifice their lives. Anyone who can't handle that has no business being paid to protect public safety.

Employees like this would be fully justified and it's not their responsibility what happens in the fight. It's not like it was premeditated. You'd ruin an innocent person's life for reacting like a scared human being?
Apperently not professional enough. Same goes for the Taco Bell employee who thinks using boiling water was the best action

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TheOtherMike
07/24/22 1:42:35 PM
#251:


A_Good_Boy posted...
OK Mike then prove it. Provide the time stamp where they did anything besides casually walk to the edge of the counter.

I guess we'll be waiting and waiting and waiting.

They were clearly behind the counter. Timestamp 1:00 in the video in the op. Shut the fuck up.

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Deutschenlied
07/24/22 1:42:38 PM
#252:


A_Good_Boy posted...
If someone was stabbed because they were irate because fast food employees were routinely messing up their order then I'd say the same thing too.

You need to re-examine your definition of the word "attacked" because those customers didn't attack those people in the slightest. The employees messed up their order twice from the drive through and when the customers went inside they refused to fix it again, then they locked the customers inside and poured boiling water on them. I'm sorry but those customers didn't do anything wrong but demand better customer service and those shitty employees did literally everything wrong, including escalate the situation to the point that they attempted to feel "justified" in permanently disfiguring them. They're gonna get their ass kicked in that lawsuit.
Mistakes happen with fast food. Customers have no right to cause a scene over an incorrect order. You think that's going to make employees want to help them?

And of course they locked the doors! It was almost midnight! They would have had to unlock them to let the customers in. You also literally cannot be locked in by a pushbar.

You're seriously going to imply that this was a premeditated attack? That Taco Bell conspired to let them in, quietly lock the door behind them, then refuse to fix the order so they could get the customers upset and then feel justified in dumping hot water on them?
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