Poll of the Day > MAGA Alert -- More Americans opposed to Biden running again than Trump

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Yep libertarians are basically anarchists and the green party has always given me bad vibes every time I check them out.

The Green Party has too many of the dumdum Left, also known as "The Imperialist Anti-Imperialists". I'd give a bit more credit to Anarchists in having some Leftist values removed from Libertarian far-right values, but there are a lot of shitty Anarchists out there too.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The Internet makes it far more possible for grass-roots alternatives to build a strong support base (moreso than any other point in the last 150+ years)

Kinda questionable.

Ross Perot was unarguably the most successful third-party candidate ever and he was a pre-internet candidate (yes, technically the internet was around in 1992, but it wasn't anything like the current internet). At one point he was polling ahead of both Bush and Clinton and probably could have won had he not pulled out of the race then re-entered it later.

If anything, I think the internet dramatically hardened political lines and made grassroots candidacy less viable. In ye olden tymes, your political affiliation was something that was typically kept private and most of the time you wouldn't get exposed too much to nutbars on either side. But the internet's ability to amplify the loudest and most combative political opinions is basically rocket-fuel for doomsayers. "You can't vote third party! Are you nuts?! Look who you would be letting win!"

Muscles posted...

That's not too surprising tbh, it seems like there's more Republicans like Trump than democrats that like biden

Biden is a total based bro though. Sure he is no Obama but he makes me smile with his gaffes and is not scorched earth destroying the country like trump.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

i think youre confused about what far left means

The right has gone so far right that the center is now far left.

Honestly I think anyone past age 65 should not be allowed to run and I know some will disagree but that's just how I see it.

BUMPED2002 posted...

Honestly I think anyone past age 65 should not be allowed to run and I know some will disagree but that's just how I see it.

nobody should run, it's terrible for your knees

captpackrat posted...

The right has gone so far right that the center is now far left.

It's pretty much the exact opposite of that actually. I'd post the charts from Pew Research again, but they'd just get ignored like last time.

Ozmose posted...

It's pretty much the exact opposite of that actually. I'd post the charts from Pew Research again, but they'd just get ignored like last time.

I mean, post them - everything else you've said has been pretty all over the place, some accurate, some not.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I mean, post them - everything else you've said has been pretty all over the place, some accurate, some not.

Here you go.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/3/AAMabeAADajt.png

Ozmose posted...

Here you go.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/3/AAMabeAADajt.png

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/1/AAK-B3AADaj_.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/7/AAK-B3AADakF.jpg

BlackScythe0 posted...

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FT_22.02.22_CongressPolarization_chamber_party_new1.png

I won't deny the shift in congress. The chart I posted is for voters.

Ozmose posted...

I won't deny the shift in congress. The chart I posted is for voters.

Which really doesn't make sense given how completely rejecting reality is mainstream with republicans now.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Which really doesn't make sense given how completely rejecting reality is mainstream with republicans now.

Well, rejecting reality is a very bipartisan thing. You only need to visit a college campus to hear the postmodern "my truth" movement being preached on the other side.

Ozmose posted...

Well, rejecting reality is a very bipartisan thing. You only need to visit a college campus to hear the postmodern "my truth" movement being preached on the other side.

idk most of the people I argue with that use their 'truth' as an argument have been falling in the rightwing camp lately. although I wouldn't deny that they were previously leftwing. I have seen a lot of formerly leftwing people latch onto rightwing issues. this is more allegorical though. I appreciate you sharing that graph, as with BlackSythe's. From yours, I might need some more context, but I could see how voters could move more Left while their Representatives shift Right, due to electoral college BS.

fuck em both, but i'll take a useless idiot over an evil one.

I dislike Biden and am actually just fully opposed to what happens when Trump controls things. What scares me more is how he gets away with anything. Somehow the idea of prosecuting him just comes off as naive. Nixon wished he had that kind of power.

I basically just hope they hold up Biden's corpse in front of him.

Fox News was created specifically so a Nixon situation wouldn't happen again. They'd make the people love him no matter what he did.

Zareth posted...

Fox News was created specifically so a Nixon situation wouldn't happen again. They'd make the people love him no matter what he did.

If Fox News had a DNA test, it would trace its origins to the Nixon administration. In 1970, political consultant Roger Ailes and other Nixon aides came up with a plan to create a new TV network that would circumvent existing media and provide "pro-administration" coverage to millions. "People are lazy," the aides explained in a memo. "With television you just sit watch listen. The thinking is done for you." Nixon embraced the idea, saying he and his supporters needed "our own news" from a network that would lead "a brutal, vicious attack on the opposition." Alas, his fantasy network did not come into being at that time, and the 37th president was soon engulfed in the Watergate scandal. At first, Republicans dismissed the scandal as a Washington Post "witch hunt." But then the White House tapes proved beyond doubt that Nixon had used the levers of government to pursue vendettas against his opponents and cover up his extensive skulduggery. Disgusted GOP leaders, including Sen. Howard Baker of the Senate Watergate committee, chose principles over party. Nixon was forced to resign.
We live in a far different country today, thanks to the vision originally outlined in that 1970 memo, which Ailes realized decades later with Rupert Murdoch's money. Fox News provides an alternative reality to the "fake news," providing daily talking points to Republican elected officials and policing them the way a sheepdog does its flock. Those who dare stand up to President Trump know they will be denounced as traitors on Fox, even if they're war veterans with a Purple Heart on their chests. In Foxworld, no evidence can prove that Trump tried to extort Ukraine into interfering in the 2020 U.S. presidential election and if he did, so what? If the president beats the impeachment rap in the Republican Senate, as he's likely to do, he should send a thank-you card to Roger Ailes and Richard Nixon, wherever they may now be.

https://theweek.com/articles/880107/why-fox-news-created

it's not like there is only 1 biased network

Krazy_Kirby posted...

it's not like there is only 1 biased network

It's not like there are any unbiased networks.

But it's less about politics, and more about money. It's easier to generate ratings (and thus revenue) when you cater to preexisting biases and play into the echo chamber mindset of modern discourse. Sure, you can have the added bonus of helping to signal boost your own personal ideology, but at the end of the day it's less about "Red" or "Blue" and more about "Green".

Ozmose posted...

Here you go.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/3/AAMabeAADajt.png

That's actuially reinforcing the point. Note that the mean - the peak of each blob - is further right for the conservatives than the median. That means that while there are enough conservatives leaning left on a few issues to haul the median left (presumably on more social issues, since socially liberal conservatives aren't uncommon), a significant minority is leaning harder to the right than both the mean and the median lean left for the left.

That, and given the extent to which Trump's presidency has galvanized the extreme right (particularly in the sense of making them feel more comfortable expressing more extreme right-wing views), I expect that chart would look quite different with current data than with data from 2017. But that's mostly speculation.

Ozmose posted...

I won't deny the shift in congress. The chart I posted is for voters.

Voters vote for the government. Whatever the shifts in their personal philosophies, they're voting in politicians that lean harder to the right, which ultimnately makes their personal beliefs irrelevant because it's the actions of those politicians that have an effect on the nation. Well, that, or the right has successfully gerrymandered their way into favouring votes from more extreme righties, which is completely possible, but the point stands that Congress' leanings matter more than voters'.

There's a minimum age to be president... I don't understand why there isn't a maximum age to be president as well.

Cut them off at 65, the "retirement" age.