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HanOfTheNekos 07/04/22 1:21:07 PM #52:	~~Hopper lopping off a Demogorgon's head to cool music in a heroic moment is 1000000000x better than him just being dead and nothing occurring.~~ The moment when S4 part 1 ended, Nancy was in peril, and people looking ahead thinking Steve was going to run back to challenge Vecna had Steve in peril. Neither of them are in peril if Max gets killed off in 4.4. Characters don't need to die. They just don't. If you're going to kill a character off, it better have a good purpose. If Stranger Things ended with S3, then yes, kill off Hopper. But if it's got two more seasons, it's stupid to take away David Harbour from a show where most of the acting talent is still teenagers. Especially when him and Joyce have such good chemistry, and denying Winona Ryder opportunities to be the best character she can be is again, bad. ~~And I really don't need to address 'realism' as an argument here.~~ --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:966330343] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Hopper lopping off a Demogorgon's head to cool music in a heroic moment is 1000000000x better than him just being dead and nothing occurring. The moment when S4 part 1 ended, Nancy was in peril, and people looking ahead thinking Steve was going to run back to challenge Vecna had Steve in peril. Neither of them are in peril if Max gets killed off in 4.4. Characters don't need to die. They just don't. If you're going to kill a character off, it better have a good purpose. If Stranger Things ended with S3, then yes, kill off Hopper. But if it's got two more seasons, it's stupid to take away David Harbour from a show where most of the acting talent is still teenagers. Especially when him and Joyce have such good chemistry, and denying Winona Ryder opportunities to be the best character she can be is again, bad. And I really don't need to address 'realism' as an argument here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 07/04/22 3:10:45 PM #53:	Great finale episode (ep 8 really just setup so was a real "ok guess we needed that one" episode) Though agree w/ comments on pacing issues, like you can tell the Duffer bros. are getting free reign here so there's more than a few bloated or padded-out scenes, really feels like this season could get trimmed a fair bit. Like if there was a S4 fan-edit that was purely Hawkins-focused and cut out California and Russia storylines entirely other than in the finale (and even then, abridged therein) I'd take that. In the meantime, in doing a quick rewatch of vol. 1 before vol. 2, there was a whole lot of fast-forwarding going on... Also disagree w/ critiques on ~~not having guts to kill Max, I've been of the mind all along they'd never kill any of the kid characters so only ones on the table are adults and~~ ~~maybe~~ the older teens, but we'll see what happens in Season 5. I think the gimmick with Max is the 4 deaths (3 + Max) were the justification to open the gate in Hawkins, so Max's soul/consciousness/whatever is part of what's keeping it open so you get the double whammy of fixing her also closing the gate/resolving the Hawkins threat. Though it's still a question of what part 2 of Vecna's plan is. Also I'm still expecting (S5 speculation) Chernobyl accident to come into play here somehow, as the Russians trying to open their own gate on home turf rather than in Hawkins, though it's around a month or two after the events of Season 4 and they need to do some kind of time skip so unless it's the S5 opener or prologue or something, I guess not... UltimaterializerX posted... I understand that but it gets ludicrous. The dude realistically should not have survived Dig Dug all the way back in season 2. Now hes a mixture of a Navy SEAL, a Green Beret, Big Boss, and King Leonidas. Its terrible writing and realism should matter at least a little. None of these characters have been under any true threat whatsoever since midway through season 2. I like to chalk it up as the Demogorgon being super-weak due to being flame-roasted and the hivemind being in a totally messed-up state during their fight. Like the fire "softened" it up enough to the point that melee weapons which would ordinarily not cut through it, could cut through, and it also messed with like.... its depth perception and whatnot, as far as it misjudging its strikes against Hopper Maybe mind-canon but the only way I can really rationalize that scene.. though it also doesn't explain someone ~~with zero sword experience being able to wield it so efficiently, ok it was just a fan service moment, damn~~ <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:966332903] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Great finale episode (ep 8 really just setup so was a real "ok guess we needed that one" episode) Though agree w/ comments on pacing issues, like you can tell the Duffer bros. are getting free reign here so there's more than a few bloated or padded-out scenes, really feels like this season could get trimmed a fair bit. Like if there was a S4 fan-edit that was purely Hawkins-focused and cut out California and Russia storylines entirely other than in the finale (and even then, abridged therein) I'd take that. In the meantime, in doing a quick rewatch of vol. 1 before vol. 2, there was a whole lot of fast-forwarding going on... Also disagree w/ critiques on not having guts to kill Max, I've been of the mind all along they'd never kill any of the kid characters so only ones on the table are adults and maybe the older teens, but we'll see what happens in Season 5. I think the gimmick with Max is the 4 deaths (3 + Max) were the justification to open the gate in Hawkins, so Max's soul/consciousness/whatever is part of what's keeping it open so you get the double whammy of fixing her also closing the gate/resolving the Hawkins threat. Though it's still a question of what part 2 of Vecna's plan is. Also I'm still expecting (S5 speculation) Chernobyl accident to come into play here somehow, as the Russians trying to open their own gate on home turf rather than in Hawkins, though it's around a month or two after the events of Season 4 and they need to do some kind of time skip so unless it's the S5 opener or prologue or something, I guess not... UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>I understand that but it gets ludicrous. The dude realistically should not have survived Dig Dug all the way back in season 2. Now hes a mixture of a Navy SEAL, a Green Beret, Big Boss, and King Leonidas. Its terrible writing and realism should matter at least a little. None of these characters have been under any true threat whatsoever since midway through season 2.</quote> I like to chalk it up as the Demogorgon being super-weak due to being flame-roasted and the hivemind being in a totally messed-up state during their fight. Like the fire "softened" it up enough to the point that melee weapons which would ordinarily not cut through it, could cut through, and it also messed with like.... its depth perception and whatnot, as far as it misjudging its strikes against Hopper Maybe mind-canon but the only way I can really rationalize that scene.. though it also doesn't explain someone with zero sword experience being able to wield it so efficiently, ok it was just a fan service moment, damn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 07/05/22 3:26:01 AM #55:	GuessMyUserName posted... hey i literally just started a few hours ago from season 1 so i'm a total noob stranger things beated, cool show Vecna's great although wew kind of a tiring amount of exposition in the last few episodes. Sad about Eddie, season did well getting him to grow on me (although Steve's the GOAT for this, just keep him away from Nancy yeesh) and damn, Eddie's father's despair has been heartbreaking. Laughed my ass off at Jason's death lmao just thinking oh wow really that's it for him huh, I had to rewind to see that actually happened. back to looping RUTH, because Dear Billy best ep Pokalicious posted... Literally just that, he did nothing the whole season. He knew (and saw, on multiples ocassions) that Eleven was being bullied and did literally nothing to help. He could've stood up for her, or hell, at least go to his mom and tell her what was going on. But nothing. ~~Once Mike arrived, all he did was act all weird and awkward while tagging along with his friends. And he didn't even open up to his best friend until Vol. 2 (kind of, sort of).~~ ~~It's like the writers don't even know what to do with him anymore.~~ ~~And yes, I know what's being foreshadowed about his sexual orientation and what not. But it went nowhere this season.~~ tbh I've been feeling that way about both Will & Mike since season 3, that the show's kinda forgotten what to do with them --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:966347144] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted... </cite> <quote>hey i literally just started a few hours ago from season 1 so i'm a total noob</quote>stranger things beated, cool show Vecna's great although wew kind of a tiring amount of exposition in the last few episodes. Sad about Eddie, season did well getting him to grow on me (although Steve's the GOAT for this, just keep him away from Nancy yeesh) and damn, Eddie's father's despair has been heartbreaking. Laughed my ass off at Jason's death lmao just thinking oh wow really that's it for him huh, I had to rewind to see that actually happened. back to looping RUTH, because Dear Billy best ep Pokalicious posted... </cite> <quote>Literally just that, he did nothing the whole season. He knew (and saw, on multiples ocassions) that Eleven was being bullied and did literally nothing to help. He could've stood up for her, or hell, at least go to his mom and tell her what was going on. But nothing. Once Mike arrived, all he did was act all weird and awkward while tagging along with his friends. And he didn't even open up to his best friend until Vol. 2 (kind of, sort of). It's like the writers don't even know what to do with him anymore. And yes, I know what's being foreshadowed about his sexual orientation and what not. But it went nowhere this season.</quote>tbh I've been feeling that way about both Will & Mike since season 3, that the show's kinda forgotten what to do with them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 07/13/22 11:41:01 AM #57:	Joseph Quinn is on Off Menu (probably my favourite podcast) this week Apparently it's good --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:966542890] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Joseph Quinn is on Off Menu (probably my favourite podcast) this week Apparently it's good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/13/22 9:41:39 PM #58:	Finished; character rankings: ~~Kids: Dustin > Max > Lucas > Erica > Eleven > Will > Mike~~ ~~Teens: Nancy > Steve > Robin > Eddie > Argyle > Jonathan~~ ~~Adults: Murray > Enzo > Hopper > Yuri > Owens > Joyce~~ ~~Antagonists: Vecna > Jason > Soviets > Brenner > Sullivan >>> Two and friends~~ ~~California crew sucks, Nancy+Jonathan sucks~~ --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:966556298] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Finished; character rankings: Kids: Dustin > Max > Lucas > Erica > Eleven > Will > Mike Teens: Nancy > Steve > Robin > Eddie > Argyle > Jonathan Adults: Murray > Enzo > Hopper > Yuri > Owens > Joyce Antagonists: Vecna > Jason > Soviets > Brenner > Sullivan >>> Two and friends California crew sucks, Nancy+Jonathan sucks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/14/22 12:40:35 AM #59:	Here are my immediate non-spoilery thoughts having just finished it. Some people might consider them vaguely "spoiler-ish" so beware. Man these writers hate Mike, Will and Johnathan because they never give them anything to do. Argyle SUCKS. 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 Pacing was an issue here. Amazing first four and last three episodes... truly interminable middle --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966559424] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Here are my immediate non-spoilery thoughts having just finished it. Some people might consider them vaguely "spoiler-ish" so beware. Man these writers hate Mike, Will and Johnathan because they never give them anything to do. Argyle SUCKS.3 > 1 > 4 > 2Pacing was an issue here. Amazing first four and last three episodes... truly interminable middle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 07/14/22 12:43:36 AM #60:	Argyle is fantastic. He's the only good thing that came out of the West Coast. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:966559470] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Argyle is fantastic. He's the only good thing that came out of the West Coast. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 07/14/22 12:50:10 AM #61:	scarletspeed7 posted... Argyle is fantastic. He's the only good thing that came out of the West Coast. When the bar is that low... <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:966559551] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed7 posted... </cite> <quote>Argyle is fantastic. He's the only good thing that came out of the West Coast.</quote> When the bar is that low... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/14/22 12:56:54 AM #62:	Nah, dude (Argyle) sucked completely (so did Munson and if you liked him shame on you) but yes, all of the California characters suffered in order to simply be window dressing for eleven's backstory. Russia plot sucked also, but blame the writers for even having such a terrible idea for the end of Season 3 stinger in the first place. Anyway, I disagree with the comments about ~~killing characters~~ because I don't think ST needs to do that in order to raise the stakes. It just needs competent snappy writing. Which it still had for the main story thread at least. Biggest thing is it needs to stop splitting up the characters, particularly the original five kids- ~~based on the ending, I imagine season 5 will be better in this regard~~ --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966559636] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Nah, dude (Argyle) sucked completely (so did Munson and if you liked him shame on you) but yes, all of the California characters suffered in order to simply be window dressing for eleven's backstory. Russia plot sucked also, but blame the writers for even having such a terrible idea for the end of Season 3 stinger in the first place. Anyway, I disagree with the comments about killing characters because I don't think ST needs to do that in order to raise the stakes. It just needs competent snappy writing. Which it still had for the main story thread at least. Biggest thing is it needs to stop splitting up the characters, particularly the original five kids- based on the ending, I imagine season 5 will be better in this regard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 07/14/22 12:58:47 AM #63:	Absolutely I liked Munson. What I do, normally, is like the characters that are good. It's a novel concept. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:966559657] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely I liked Munson. What I do, normally, is like the characters that are good. It's a novel concept. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 07/14/22 1:07:47 AM #64:	colliding posted... Nah, dude (Argyle) sucked completely (so did Munson and if you liked him shame on you) I can understand not liking Argyle, but I need you to explain what exactly you dislike about Eddie? He's a great character! --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:966559763] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>colliding posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, dude (Argyle) sucked completely (so did Munson and if you liked him shame on you)</quote> I can understand not liking Argyle, but I need you to explain what exactly you dislike about Eddie? He's a great character! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/14/22 1:24:20 AM #65:	Eddie veers for me too close to nerd pandering. Super into metal, wears the jean/leather jacket combo, is a super cool DM, is an outsider yet charming, has a ~~redemptive~~ character arc. He felt tailor made to appeal to a particular person and I found the writers to be a bit heavy-handed in how they wanted us to like him. I know the show has dealt in archetypes in the past, but this season I found them to be even more obvious than normal. I can buy that this was intentional due to how the show sets them up to be potential ~~murder victims~~ from the get go (hence why we have hyperbolized examples of the super obnoxious preppy jock and his cheerleader girlfriend, the nerdy newspaper kid, along with the typical stoner and mousey band geek). Munson starts out as one of these cliches and then tries to develop him into a "real character." It didn't work with me. Finally - I know this is part of the "joke" about his character - but dude who plays him literally looks 40 to me and I just couldn't buy that he was supposed to be only 5 or 6 years older than the "kids" --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966559991] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Eddie veers for me too close to nerd pandering. Super into metal, wears the jean/leather jacket combo, is a super cool DM, is an outsider yet charming, has a redemptive character arc. He felt tailor made to appeal to a particular person and I found the writers to be a bit heavy-handed in how they wanted us to like him. I know the show has dealt in archetypes in the past, but this season I found them to be even more obvious than normal. I can buy that this was intentional due to how the show sets them up to be potential murder victims from the get go (hence why we have hyperbolized examples of the super obnoxious preppy jock and his cheerleader girlfriend, the nerdy newspaper kid, along with the typical stoner and mousey band geek). Munson starts out as one of these cliches and then tries to develop him into a "real character." It didn't work with me. Finally - I know this is part of the "joke" about his character - but dude who plays him literally looks 40 to me and I just couldn't buy that he was supposed to be only 5 or 6 years older than the "kids" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/14/22 5:04:53 AM #66:	LordoftheMorons posted... Finished; character rankings: ~~Kids: Dustin > Max > Lucas > Erica > Eleven > Will > Mike~~ ~~Teens: Nancy > Steve > Robin > Eddie > Argyle > Jonathan~~ ~~Adults: Murray > Enzo > Hopper > Yuri > Owens > Joyce~~ ~~Antagonists: Vecna > Jason > Soviets > Brenner > Sullivan >>> Two and friends~~ ~~California crew sucks, Nancy+Jonathan sucks~~ ~~Max >= Dustin > Lucas > Eleven > Erica > Will >> Mike~~ ~~Steve > Robin > Eddie > Nancy > Argyle > Jonathan~~ ~~Hopper > Enzo > Owens > Murray > Joyce >> Yuri~~ ~~Brenner > Vecna > Jason~~ --- May you find your book in this place. <cite>xp1337 posted [p:966562106] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Finished; character rankings: Kids: Dustin > Max > Lucas > Erica > Eleven > Will > Mike Teens: Nancy > Steve > Robin > Eddie > Argyle > Jonathan Adults: Murray > Enzo > Hopper > Yuri > Owens > Joyce Antagonists: Vecna > Jason > Soviets > Brenner > Sullivan >>> Two and friends California crew sucks, Nancy+Jonathan sucks</quote> Max >= Dustin > Lucas > Eleven > Erica > Will >> Mike Steve > Robin > Eddie > Nancy > Argyle > Jonathan Hopper > Enzo > Owens > Murray > Joyce >> Yuri Brenner > Vecna > Jason </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 07/14/22 10:18:34 AM #67:	colliding posted... Eddie veers for me too close to nerd pandering. Super into metal, wears the jean/leather jacket combo, is a super cool DM, is an outsider yet charming, has a ~~redemptive~~ character arc. He felt tailor made to appeal to a particular person and I found the writers to be a bit heavy-handed in how they wanted us to like him. I know the show has dealt in archetypes in the past, but this season I found them to be even more obvious than normal. I can buy that this was intentional due to how the show sets them up to be potential ~~murder victims~~ from the get go (hence why we have hyperbolized examples of the super obnoxious preppy jock and his cheerleader girlfriend, the nerdy newspaper kid, along with the typical stoner and mousey band geek). Munson starts out as one of these cliches and then tries to develop him into a "real character." It didn't work with me. They literally had the cheerleader and Eddie break convention in episode 1, and the jock became the exact thing he hated Eddie for assuming he was, all playing up the theme of not judging by the cover but needing to look beyond for the truth, which is exemplified in Vecna's entire character. Also, Eddie isn't a super cool DM - he's a fucking nerd. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:966565847] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>colliding posted... </cite> <quote>Eddie veers for me too close to nerd pandering. Super into metal, wears the jean/leather jacket combo, is a super cool DM, is an outsider yet charming, has a redemptive character arc. He felt tailor made to appeal to a particular person and I found the writers to be a bit heavy-handed in how they wanted us to like him. I know the show has dealt in archetypes in the past, but this season I found them to be even more obvious than normal. I can buy that this was intentional due to how the show sets them up to be potential murder victims from the get go (hence why we have hyperbolized examples of the super obnoxious preppy jock and his cheerleader girlfriend, the nerdy newspaper kid, along with the typical stoner and mousey band geek). Munson starts out as one of these cliches and then tries to develop him into a "real character." It didn't work with me. </quote> They literally had the cheerleader and Eddie break convention in episode 1, and the jock became the exact thing he hated Eddie for assuming he was, all playing up the theme of not judging by the cover but needing to look beyond for the truth, which is exemplified in Vecna's entire character. Also, Eddie isn't a super cool DM - he's a fucking nerd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 07/14/22 10:26:55 AM #68:	Idk it's just weird to see someone say "I don't like this character because they're likable" --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:966566020] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Idk it's just weird to see someone say "I don't like this character because they're likable" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/14/22 12:12:18 PM #69:	HanOfTheNekos posted... Idk it's just weird to see someone say "I don't like this character because they're likable" fair enough but he still felt like pandering to me also we're at the point where "don't judge the book by its cover" is itself the cliche. the heavy metal/dnd playing outcast is actually... a pretty good dude? gasp --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966568329] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite> <quote>Idk it's just weird to see someone say "I don't like this character because they're likable"</quote> fair enough but he still felt like pandering to me also we're at the point where "don't judge the book by its cover" is itself the cliche. the heavy metal/dnd playing outcast is actually... a pretty good dude? gasp </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 07/14/22 12:54:03 PM #70:	Not so much "don't judge a book by the cover" as "there is a deeper truth to be uncovered". And the point isn't that a guy who likes dnd and metal is good, it's that he's persecuted for his hobbies, unfairly. It's part of the period piece. Do you think it'd have been better if he didn't shower and bullied Dustin? What's the line between pandering and having a character who is just a kind of normal dude? --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:966569354] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Not so much "don't judge a book by the cover" as "there is a deeper truth to be uncovered". And the point isn't that a guy who likes dnd and metal is good, it's that he's persecuted for his hobbies, unfairly. It's part of the period piece. Do you think it'd have been better if he didn't shower and bullied Dustin? What's the line between pandering and having a character who is just a kind of normal dude? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak_the_Stud 07/14/22 12:58:05 PM #71:	Counter point: He's fun and I like him! Also Argyle and Eleven were the only things stopping me from fast forwarding through all the California stuff. LordoftheMorons posted... Finished; character rankings: ~~Kids: Dustin > Max > Lucas > Erica > Eleven > Will > Mike~~ ~~Teens: Nancy > Steve > Robin > Eddie > Argyle > Jonathan~~ ~~Adults: Murray > Enzo > Hopper > Yuri > Owens > Joyce~~ ~~Antagonists: Vecna > Jason > Soviets > Brenner > Sullivan >>> Two and friends~~ ~~California crew sucks, Nancy+Jonathan sucks~~ ~~Kids: Max > Dustin > Eleven >>> Mike > Lucas > Erica > Will. Pretty noticeable gap between Eleven and Mike for me, and everyone Mike and below I'm sort of meh on.~~ ~~Teens: Steve > Robin > Nancy > Eddie > Argyle >>>>>>>>> volleyball with a face painted on it >>> Jonathan. I really liked all the teens minus Jonathan, though.~~ Adults: Hopper > Murray > Joyce > Owens > Yuri >> Enzo. Those top three are kinda costing on past seasons though as I hated the Russian stuff this season from a story perspective. They really wrote themselves into a corner with the fake out Hopper death and that part was only watchable because the chemistry between those characters still works even with some story weirdness. Liked all the adults although I didn't have particularly strong feelings for Enzo. Antagonists: Vecna >>>> Jason > Brenner >>> Sullivan >> Russians >>> 2 and pals. I really, really liked Vecna so that gap is more due to him than any weakness in Jason/Brenner. Both of those were great as well. Everyone else is kind of an afterthought though. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak_the_Stud posted [p:966569448] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Counter point: He's fun and I like him! Also Argyle and Eleven were the only things stopping me from fast forwarding through all the California stuff. LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Finished; character rankings: Kids: Dustin > Max > Lucas > Erica > Eleven > Will > Mike Teens: Nancy > Steve > Robin > Eddie > Argyle > Jonathan Adults: Murray > Enzo > Hopper > Yuri > Owens > Joyce Antagonists: Vecna > Jason > Soviets > Brenner > Sullivan >>> Two and friends California crew sucks, Nancy+Jonathan sucks</quote> Kids: Max > Dustin > Eleven >>> Mike > Lucas > Erica > Will. Pretty noticeable gap between Eleven and Mike for me, and everyone Mike and below I'm sort of meh on. Teens: Steve > Robin > Nancy > Eddie > Argyle >>>>>>>>> volleyball with a face painted on it >>> Jonathan. I really liked all the teens minus Jonathan, though. Adults: Hopper > Murray > Joyce > Owens > Yuri >> Enzo. Those top three are kinda costing on past seasons though as I hated the Russian stuff this season from a story perspective. They really wrote themselves into a corner with the fake out Hopper death and that part was only watchable because the chemistry between those characters still works even with some story weirdness. Liked all the adults although I didn't have particularly strong feelings for Enzo. Antagonists: Vecna >>>> Jason > Brenner >>> Sullivan >> Russians >>> 2 and pals. I really, really liked Vecna so that gap is more due to him than any weakness in Jason/Brenner. Both of those were great as well. Everyone else is kind of an afterthought though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/14/22 1:09:11 PM #72:	HanOfTheNekos posted... Do you think it'd have been better if he didn't shower and bullied Dustin? What's the line between pandering and having a character who is just a kind of normal dude? a lot of this might honestly be visual/auditory for me. honestly, every time I looked at him/heard him speak I felt taken out of the show. maybe if he was more subtle. anyway, just let me not like munson. he wasn't close to the biggest problem I had with the season. --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966569676] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite> <quote> Do you think it'd have been better if he didn't shower and bullied Dustin? What's the line between pandering and having a character who is just a kind of normal dude?</quote> a lot of this might honestly be visual/auditory for me. honestly, every time I looked at him/heard him speak I felt taken out of the show. maybe if he was more subtle. anyway, just let me not like munson. he wasn't close to the biggest problem I had with the season. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 07/14/22 1:53:07 PM #73:	Yeah I was just trying to understand because the criticism didn't make much sense to me --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:966570660] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I was just trying to understand because the criticism didn't make much sense to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 07/21/22 8:30:40 AM #74:	I just finished this last night. It had some highs and lows, but I mostly realized theres a lot of the core cast that could die and I wouldnt even care because a lot of them lost whatever charm they had at the start and some havent had anything meaningful to do for two seasons <cite>swordz9 posted [p:966728492] in Stranger T... [t:80079081]...</cite> <quote>I just finished this last night. It had some highs and lows, but I mostly realized theres a lot of the core cast that could die and I wouldnt even care because a lot of them lost whatever charm they had at the start and some havent had anything meaningful to do for two seasons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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