Current Events > Reminder that abortion is a valid, medically necessary procedure that saves live

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy

an ectopic pregnancy is a pregnancy that improperly implants outside the uterus

in these instances the fetus has an extremely low chance of survival; more often left untreated this is fatal for the mother

in many cases the treatment for this condition is an abortion

this condition affects as many as 200,000 women in the US every year

republicans nationwide including my home state of Wisconsin have signaled that abortion bans with exceptions are not enough and want to ban even medically necessary abortions

this is particularly personal for me and my family as my wife is over 35 (which is a risk factor for this condition)

a vote for anti-abortion republicans is a vote that these women should die

i know in many respects this is preaching to the choir but something to consider if you are on the fence about this for some reason

They don't care. They want it banned no matter what.

Dese idiots don't care about science nor facts

billcom6 posted...

They don't care. They want it banned no matter what.

I know the politicians dont care

maybe some of the people who are just ignorant do tho?

idk man this is so fucked

It's a moral good and it literally doesn't matter how alive or human the fetus is.

Someone should have a right to abort me right now if I was somehow living off their body and they wanted to stop. It's not their duty to give up their body indefinitely.

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Banning abortion isn't really banning abortion. It's literally banning SAFE abortion, like you said

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The point here though is that not everyone who gets an abortion wants one; rather, if they dont get one they will die

Abortion should always be an option for an unwanted pregnancy.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Abortion should always be an option for an unwanted pregnancy.

Of course

but its important to recognize that abortion is often a medical necessity outside of any choice (that the mother should of course have rights to)

There is nothing wrong or immoral about abortion. A woman should always have the right to an abortion. As long as the thing is in her body she should have the right to abort it. At 6 weeks, at 4 months, at 8 months it doesnt matter. In fact in many cases it can be the moral thing to do.

iPhone_7 posted...

There is nothing wrong or immoral about abortion. A woman should always have the right to an abortion. As long as the thing is in her body she should have the right to abort it. At 6 weeks, at 4 months, at 8 months it doesnt matter. In fact in many cases it can be the moral thing to do.

This is true!

bump

I know you all are going to think I'm a vile sexist, but quite frankly, I don't care. The people who actually know me and spend time with me irl have a vastly different opinion, and that's what I care about.

Anyway, overall, I don't believe in abortion. I think there are better options in nearly all cases, such as adoption. In general, if you don't want a baby, don't choose to have sex. That still leaves me open to two possibilities, one of which is the topic the op mentions, which is when the mother's health/life is in jeopardy. This is the only exception that I am absolutely in favor of. I do fully believe it should be a woman's right to have an abortion in this case.

As for the case of rape, I still generally believe a woman should give birth and simply give the baby up for adoption if she truly doesn't want it, although I may be open to certain exceptions in these cases as well.

If anyone attacks me, fine, I don't care, but don't expect a response. I have very personal reasons I am not willing to share for some of my beliefs, and I will leave it at that.

dragwarrfan posted...

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Hey.

That belief you have that you're a good person, who's going to a good place if there happens to be one?

Don't get your hopes up, champ.

dragwarrfan posted...

I know you all are going to think I'm a vile sexist, but quite frankly, I don't care. The people who actually know me and spend time with me irl have a vastly different opinion, and that's what I care about.

Anyway, overall, I don't believe in abortion. I think there are better options in nearly all cases, such as adoption. In general, if you don't want a baby, don't choose to have sex. That still leaves me open to two possibilities, one of which is the topic the op mentions, which is when the mother's health/life is in jeopardy. This is the only exception that I am absolutely in favor of. I do fully believe it should be a woman's right to have an abortion in this case.

As for the case of rape, I still generally believe a woman should give birth and simply give the baby up for adoption if she truly doesn't want it, although I may be open to certain exceptions in these cases as well.

If anyone attacks me, fine, I don't care, but don't expect a response. I have very personal reasons I am not willing to share for some of my beliefs, and I will leave it at that.

A) Have you ever spoken to a pregnant woman? Do you have any idea how fucking hard pregnancy is on someones body?

B) how do you justify using this belief to support politicians who do not want exceptions for medical reasons?

my wife had, during her pregnancy

-sciatic nerve painthe growth of her body pinched nerves and made literally just walking painful for several months

-morning sickness for well over half of her pregnancy and she threw up multiple times per day

-gestational diabetescarrying a baby can cause diabetes and she had to follow a strict diet and check her blood sugar after every meal

to say nothing of the pain and complications that come from vaginal birth and the weeks of medical treatment that are necessary to recover from it

these are just some of the complications that can come from pregnancy. To tell a 14 year old rape victim, hey just carry the baby and give it up is so fucking ignorant I cant even believe it

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Bingo.

dragwarrfan posted...

I know you all are going to think I'm a vile sexist, but quite frankly, I don't care. The people who actually know me and spend time with me irl have a vastly different opinion, and that's what I care about.

Anyway, overall, I don't believe in abortion. I think there are better options in nearly all cases, such as adoption. In general, if you don't want a baby, don't choose to have sex. That still leaves me open to two possibilities, one of which is the topic the op mentions, which is when the mother's health/life is in jeopardy. This is the only exception that I am absolutely in favor of. I do fully believe it should be a woman's right to have an abortion in this case.

As for the case of rape, I still generally believe a woman should give birth and simply give the baby up for adoption if she truly doesn't want it, although I may be open to certain exceptions in these cases as well.

If anyone attacks me, fine, I don't care, but don't expect a response. I have very personal reasons I am not willing to share for some of my beliefs, and I will leave it at that.

so how many of the 350,000 babies in the US foster system have you adopted?

TheGoldenEel posted...

A) Have you ever spoken to a pregnant woman? Do you have any idea how fucking hard pregnancy is on someones body?

B) how do you justify using this belief to support politicians who do not want exceptions for medical reasons?

A. Yes, everyone I have ever known who is pregnant is extremely excited, and to the best of my knowledge, I don't know anyone who has ever had an abortion. I fully realize this doesn't represent everyone who's ever lived on this earth, but it is my personal experience.

B. I don't vote, as I have my own beliefs on things and am not bound to any certain ideology. I use my own common sense.

TheGoldenEel posted...

This is true!

8 months? What about after its born like a month later?

dragwarrfan posted...

I have very personal reasons I am not willing to share for some of my beliefs

Your personal reasons don't fucking matter.

If you want to force your belief on women like that - go [] yourself

dragwarrfan posted...

I know you all are going to think I'm a vile sexist, but quite frankly, I don't care. The people who actually know me and spend time with me irl have a vastly different opinion, and that's what I care about.

Anyway, overall, I don't believe in abortion. I think there are better options in nearly all cases, such as adoption. In general, if you don't want a baby, don't choose to have sex. That still leaves me open to two possibilities, one of which is the topic the op mentions, which is when the mother's health/life is in jeopardy. This is the only exception that I am absolutely in favor of. I do fully believe it should be a woman's right to have an abortion in this case.

As for the case of rape, I still generally believe a woman should give birth and simply give the baby up for adoption if she truly doesn't want it, although I may be open to certain exceptions in these cases as well.

If anyone attacks me, fine, I don't care, but don't expect a response. I have very personal reasons I am not willing to share for some of my beliefs, and I will leave it at that.

Your beliefs are your beliefs. Expecting that others should have to adhere to your beliefs is morally repugnant.

dragwarrfan posted...

A. Yes, everyone I have ever known who is pregnant is extremely excited, and to the best of my knowledge, I don't know anyone who has ever had an abortion. I fully realize this doesn't represent everyone who's ever lived on this earth, but it is my personal experience.

B. I don't vote, as I have my own beliefs on things and am not bound to any certain ideology. I use my own common sense.

People who are pregnant because they want to be are of course excited. People who are pregnant by rap are not

and btw, people who are pregnant arent going to bitch to you personally about how hard it is. Its none of your damn business. But it is extremely hard, and frankly its cruel to force it on someone who is not excited about pregnancy

RaptorLC posted...

Your beliefs are your beliefs. Expecting that others should have to adhere to your beliefs is morally repugnant.

Exactly. Using the power of the state to force others to adhere to your personal beliefs is morally repugnant. Glad you agree Raptor!

TheGoldenEel posted...

People who are pregnant because they want to be are of course excited. People who are pregnant by rap are not

and btw, people who are pregnant arent going to bitch to you personally about how hard it is. Its none of your damn business. But it is extremely hard, and frankly its cruel to force it on someone who is not excited about pregnancy

All of this is beside the point though

the point of this topic is that there are cases where abortion is a medical necessity, and republican politicians across the country want to remove medical exemptions for abortions and ban it in all cases.

and that is morally repugnant

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Trust him, he hides his misogyny in his real life interactions with pregnant women.

Wow, this board is even more hateful than I expected. With even a lead moderator coming at me, I will be leaving this thread.

Everyone here are such good people, immediately and aggressively attacking someone you don't know and not providing reasons for your own opinion, simply attacking. Be proud. Lol.

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Just have to quote this for the lunacy of it. Yes, I always make it a point before taking a second job to make sure that all 100+ employees who work there agree with me and share my opinions on everything. Oh wait, I'm not like some others on this board and can actually get along very well with people of all beliefs and be respectful of others' opinions. I realize, this is a completely foreign concept here, so I don't expect anyone to understand. Peace out, y'all. Gotta actually do something productive and go to work.

What a fucking loser

dragwarrfan posted...

I have very personal reasons I am not willing to share for some of my beliefs

dragwarrfan posted...

immediately and aggressively attacking someone you don't know and not providing reasons for your own opinion

You're not fooling anyone with your martyr shtick. Fuck out of here with your misogyny.

This is why Im pro choice despite disagreeing with many of the other issues.

My wife had a miscarriage at 12 weeks. If we lived in a state that was 100% abortion ban she would not have been able to have a D&C to safely remove the fetus, put her health at risk and possibly be charged with a crime.

You want to create a 12 week cut off? Fine. But theres absolutely no reason to not have medical reasons across the board.

dragwarrfan posted...

Wow, this board is even more hateful than I expected. With even a lead moderator coming at me, I will be leaving this thread.

Everyone here are such good people, immediately and aggressively attacking someone you don't know and not providing reasons for your own opinion, simply attacking. Be proud. Lol.

It was a dumb, shitty opinion that completely ignores the harsh realities of the world, so we know enough about you.

dragwarrfan posted...

A. Yes, everyone I have ever known who is pregnant is extremely excited, and to the best of my knowledge, I don't know anyone who has ever had an abortion. I fully realize this doesn't represent everyone who's ever lived on this earth, but it is my personal experience.

B. I don't vote, as I have my own beliefs on things and am not bound to any certain ideology. I use my own common sense.

Lol troll confirmed

As somebody who understands there are very good reasons for abortion, the pro-choice side's rhetoric is honestly often disgusting, constantly attacking and dehumanizing other people for having different views. As somebody who has mostly left more than right views, nothing makes me regret that more than seeing the way the left treats people. They used to be the 'good guys' out of the two but in the last decade they have really become so hypocritical and self-righteous and cruel. They're lucky the right often can be worse, because there are no good guys in these arguments.

The left is just so cruel cries the man in a topic about the right stripping away the rights of half of the country

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are we going to pretend people didn't tell him to go F himself, and told him that he's going to hell? lol. Pretty hateful stuff.

That is the type of things I mean when saying that the left is cruel. At least people that are pro-life feel like they're saving the lives of babies, so it's understandable why they feel passionate about it. I've seen people on the left say anybody who is pro-life is a piece of s*** etc, and it really just makes me angry how self-righteous they can be.

I disagree with the decision today but at the least I can understand that they feel they're doing the right thing. The left feels like they are crusaders fighting for good despite treating people worse on a day to day level than the people they think are devils. So the hypocricy makes me angry

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This I think should not be true, but it's not hard to believe that the divide between sides only widens when the left continues to act like pro-life people are the devil and that this is a simple question, a clump of cells, etc. Neither side is handling the discussion well or in a mature way

Yeah, it turns out that when you say that women should be forced to carry their rapists baby and be denied the medical care that they want , people are going to tell you to fuck off and call you a bad person for advocating for that

And you know what? I dont really think that the people telling him to fuck off and shut up are being the cruel ones in that scenerio.

HHH is the game posted...

I disagree with the decision today but at the least I can understand that they feel they're doing the right thing.

So did the Confederacy.

Look how well that went.

greyfox747 posted...

Yeah, it turns out that when you say that women should be forced to carry their rapists baby and be denied the medical care that they want , people are going to tell you to fuck off and call you a bad person for advocating for that

And you know what? I dont really think that the people telling him to fuck off and shut up are being the cruel ones in that scenerio.

Maybe we need though to find the reasons behind his decision or what he's done in his life that causes him to feel that way? I can understand people feeling innocent children should be protected at all costs. People also in here think abortion at 8 months is no big deal too, and I can understand people being upset by that. Medical care, clump of cells, these are sort of terms designed to skew the discussion. The question that people are divided on is the life of the unborn child. It's not as simple as a woman's body, medical care, etc.