Current Events > Reminder that abortion is a valid, medically necessary procedure that saves live

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Are we really gonna pretend that you all werent mean to the guy who said its a good thing to take away womens bodily autonomy?

Jesus fucking Christ I am so tired of this line

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No, I think abortion should be allowed if it's medically necessary and that rape victims should be not forced to give birth.

But I also think those that say abortion is needed so women can have sex without worrying about a baby, and should be allowed guilt free at 8 months kind of bothers me too.

DespondentDeity posted...

Are we really gonna pretend that you all werent mean to the guy who said its a good thing to take away womens bodily autonomy?

Jesus fucking Christ I am so tired of this line

Again, this is not a simple question of bodily autonomy, because there's an unborn child at stake too. The question is much more complicated than JUST bodily autonomy because of that.

HHH is the game posted...

But I also think those that say abortion is needed so women can have sex without worrying about a baby,

Oh, that actually explains a lot about your responses ITT

Being mean to Republicans forced them to ban abortions for rape victims and medically compromised situations
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We need to be nicer to Republicans so they give those exceptions back guys :)

Interesting spins

greyfox747 posted...

Oh, that actually explains a lot about your responses ITT

Believe it or not, I actually saw people arguing this on reddit just today

DEKMStephens posted...

Being mean to Republicans forced them to ban abortions for rape victims and medically compromised situations
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We need to be nicer to Republicans so they give those exceptions back guys :)

Interesting spins

Being mean to Republicans made them unwilling to ever listen or compromise, which I imagine is part of why there seems to be so much more division now than ever before.

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But I also think those that say abortion is needed so women can have sex without worrying about a baby, and should be allowed guilt free at 8 months kind of bothers me too.

if Christians truly believe in their values why isnt hell enough of a punishment for this? Why do they need to prosecute people on Earth for sins the almighty provides eternal punishment for?

You say that they really believe that abortion is murder in the eyes of God, so why dont they have faith that Gods judgment is enough?

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Being mean to Republicans made them unwilling to ever listen or compromise

Gonna need some sort of evidence for this claim of causation. Isn't it at least as likely that they are more strident in their views because of a highly funded propaganda network committed to spreading those views?

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Again, this is not a simple question of bodily autonomy, because there's an unborn child at stake too. The question is much more complicated than JUST bodily autonomy because of that.

Yes, it very much is a question of bodily autonomy, even if you dishonestly equate a fetus with a child.

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No, because the second point can be seen as women not caring that they are creating lives they then destroy because they dont want to worry about the responsibilities. Im pro-choice overall but think it should not be something treated lightly at all, and when people talk about a clump of cells or how its nothing but the woman's body at stake it bothers me greatly at how frivolously they're talking about unborn children

Huh they double downed too. Kinda incredible.

DEKMStephens posted...

Being mean to Republicans forced them to ban abortions for rape victims and medically compromised situations
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We need to be nicer to Republicans so they give those exceptions back guys :)

Interesting spins

Have you guys ever actually told Republican that women having rights is good? Why are you just willing to compromise with them :(? Why are you being so mean to them when they take your rights away >:(?

RaptorLC posted...

Yes, it very much is a question of bodily autonomy, even if you dishonestly equate a fetus with a child.

It is, but its not SIMPLY that. There are other aspects at play that should be part of the conversation no matter which side you fall on.

The Republicans care about that about as much as they do about the kids after they're born. Which is to say they don't give a shit.

Put yourself in the shoes of somebody that sees a baby as being a child earlier than birth. Rape victims and how it affects them is obviously important and awful but how it affects unborn babies is obviously important and awful too. You just dont see it that way because you dont see it as a baby.

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Put yourself in the shoes of somebody that sees a baby as being a child earlier than birth. Rape victims and how it affects them is obviously important and awful but how it affects unborn babies is obviously important and awful too. You just dont see it that way because you dont see it as a baby.

I'd be more impressed if they gave a shit after the baby once it's out of the mother.

Even if you have genuine belief that fetuses are unborn people deserving of protection: abortion bans don't protect them.
https://gidmk.medium.com/abortion-bans-dont-work-2c9fff7bb025

What does the research say about abortion bans? The first thing to remember is that abortion numbers have been falling for some years in most countries across the globe yes, even in the US. When we look at the impacts of abortion bans, we first have to discount the effect of the global trend towards family planning that has reduced the number of abortions happening already.

One study looked at abortion restrictions across the United States between 2008 and 2011. They found that, although many states had implemented restrictions that curtailed the access of abortions significantly, there was no relationship between abortion rates and any particular restrictions.

Another piece of research looked at what happened in 23 US states after they passed laws restricting the access to abortion for a decade. Similarly, this study found that restrictive abortion laws didnt do anything to abortion rates, which continued their slow but steady decline.

Overall, in the US, it looks like abortion restrictions dont stop people from getting abortions. What about the rest of the world?

This is where it gets really interesting. At a country level, we see something counter-intuitive countries that restrict or ban abortion completely tend to have higher abortion rates. In fact, countries like Brazil, where abortion is almost entirely illegal, abortion rates are often two or three times as high as in the US, going from 1015 up to 3040 abortions per 1,000 women.
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In 1984, and then in every new Republican presidency since then, the US government implemented what is often called the Global Gag Rule. What this does is ban US federal funding to any non-governmental organizations that perform, advise on, or endorse abortion in any way. Given that some developing nations rely on organizations like this for family planning services, what this effectively does is set up a natural experiment in how abortion bans affect abortion rates some places shutter all abortion services while the policy is in effect while others dont change their services much at all.

And when you compare countries that stop providing legal, safe abortion to countries that dont, you find something strange their abortion rates increase. It turns out that the best evidence indicates that banning abortion increases abortion rates.

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It is, but

Im starting to get the feeling that you dont actually care about women having bodily autonomy.

HHH is the game posted...

Again, this is not a simple question of bodily autonomy, because there's an unborn child at stake too. The question is much more complicated than JUST bodily autonomy because of that.

So do you think anyone able should be forced to give organs to people in need? There are peoples lives at stake. Bodily autonomy shouldn't matter, right?

greyfox747 posted...

Im starting to get the feeling that you dont actually care about women having bodily autonomy.

But guys, maybe he's right and if we just look at things from the perspective of those who are either dishonest or ignorant enough to equate a fetus to a baby, we'd want to subjugate millions of women and give them less bodily autonomy than a corpse too...

Or, you know, not.

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Put yourself in the shoes of somebody that sees a baby as being a child earlier than birth.

they can go have their own baby if they want one to be born so badly

do pro life people ever stop to wonder how many babies arent born because a woman is forced to have one as a teenager and then never has any more even though she might have had more if she hadnt gotten pregnant as a teen?

Republicans literally do not care.

They know damn well some women will die because of them playing politics. They dont care.

Some pregnancies can literally kill the woman. They dont care.

Rape? They dont care.

They're just terrible human beings.

I cannot currently share my full opinion on "people" who support abortion bans.

that other guy moved so quickly from well I see why others believe that to ultra transparent stop attacking my beliefs.

all i know is we shouldnt kill babies but ig that's somehow a wrong opinion on the internet??

BoyOfBattle posted...

all i know is we shouldnt kill babies but ig that's somehow a wrong opinion on the internet??

Well that is bad, but abortion is good. Women are not cum dumpsters and need to have full autonomy over their body at all times. It literally does not matter if that will result in a death.

There is basically no point in living if the government can tell you what to do with your body. Abortion isn't contagious. If someone doesn't like it, they don't need to ever get one.

Can the pro-life crowd stop using "adoption" like it's a magic word that will solve abortion issues? If you actually do your research and realize just how broken our adoption system is, you would stop using it as this magic alternative. There are better more realistic alternatives, though unfortunately it assumes you have the resources to cover it which some people might now have.

These anti choice people say its hateful when people disagree with them. They just want an echo chamber.

The right wingers want people to be civil to them when they never had any intention of acting decent.

Abortion was never a constitutional right and it shouldn't have ever been placed that way. Constitution is right to life.

States shod have their own laws on abortion.

The_OD posted...

Abortion was never a constitutional right and it shouldn't have ever been placed that way. Constitution is right to life.

States shod have their own laws on abortion.

Are they United States if you can be imprisoned for life if you cross the wrong state lines?

And I like to say I am pro-life by supporting open access to abortions.

What we call pro-lifers have little regard for life. Right to life means more than "People are currently free to breathe".

BoyOfBattle posted...

all i know is we shouldnt kill babies but ig that's somehow a wrong opinion on the internet??

If a woman has an unviable ectopic pregnancy that will kill her if left untreated, should she have access to the abortion that will save her life?

The_OD posted...

Abortion was never a constitutional right and it shouldn't have ever been placed that way. Constitution is right to life.

States shod have their own laws on abortion.

"Women don't have the right to life once they get pregnant so the consciousnessless embryos and fetuses SOMEHOW have more RIGHT TO LIFE than their hosts..."

I'm not going to finish that stupid for you.

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Some denominations of Christianity believe that a fetus is a human life that it is immoral to end. The ones that don't, as well as other religions, are prevented from the free practice of their religion by restrictions on abortion.

gigageek1500 posted...

Some denominations of Christianity believe that a fetus is a human life

Which is odd, since the Bible rather definitively says otherwise in Exodus 21. Hence why the loss of a fetus is punishable by a fine as opposed to the usual eye for an eye thing.

"If you get raped, just have the baby and give it up for adoption nbd!" - Things that would never be said if men were the ones that got pregnant.

Umbreon posted...

"If you get raped, just have the baby and give it up for adoption nbd!" - Things that would never be said if men were the ones that got pregnant.

In that reality the women would be the men whereas the men would be the women. So the women would be the ones saying that instead.