Current Events > America is a failed union and it's past time to stop pretending that it isn't.

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The constitution has never been a democratic document but an aristocratic one, and even after 300 years of compromised reforms, it has still arrived at a conclusion where an unelected court, appointed by a president that lost the popular vote, is determining the law of the land. All the while, a state with 40 million people has the same senate representation as a state with 0.6 million, and nothing gets done in a congress held by the majority party because the other side can just choose not to participate and thus shut everything down.

There is literally no path forward from this. Sorry to you boomers that were trying to compromise with authoritarians that think people should be imprisoned for being born gay your whole lives, but nothing has come of it. It's actually getting worse. Conservatives are the most open, hopeful and determined about how they think the country should operate as they've ever been since Jim crow era.

It worked somewhat decently for a long time. The advent of 24 hour news stations that control the narratives of everything the other side does is evil!! has thrown everything off the rails. According to the current ways of doing things, there can no longer be compromise that would be a weakness.

The founding fathers were smart men with good intentions. They even created the second amendment, the most important amendment, to protect us from tyranny...which those in power want to abolish.

The Popo posted...

It worked somewhat decently for a long time. The advent of 24 hour news stations that control the narratives of everything the other side does is evil!! has thrown everything off the rails. According to the current ways of doing things, there can no longer be compromise that would be a weakness.

Which was the long time? The time when slavery was legal? The time when segregation and poll tax was legal?

Doe posted...

Which was the long time? The time when slavery was legal? The time when segregation and poll tax was legal?

I was referring to the distribution of power in our structured government. If you wanna go into slavery and segregation, thats a whole other topic.

Pepys Monster posted...

The founding fathers were smart men with good intentions. They even created the second amendment, the most important amendment, to protect us from tyranny...which those in power want to abolish.

And yet 2A ain't doing shit to protect people from the tyranny of this government

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It's pretty sadly funny to think about how concerned his administration was with preserving the union only for them to come and shoot him in the back of the head for his troubles. And those who oppose what the south stood for back then STILL haven't learned any lessons from all this history.

No it isn't

Pepys Monster posted...

The founding fathers were smart men with good intentions. They even created the second amendment, the most important amendment, to protect us from tyranny...which those in power want to abolish.

Ah yes, the good intentions of men who raped their slaves and had dentures made of teeth ripped from the mouths of those slaved. Get the fuck out of here.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And yet 2A ain't doing shit to protect people from the tyranny of this government

Because the left won't organize an armed protest like the right does. They protest unarmed and get tear gassed.

The Popo posted...

It worked somewhat decently for a long time.

Yeah it did if you were the correct race, gender, sexual orientation, and wealth status

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It's time for America to separate fuck the United States let them rot with traitors by themselves

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Where did I mention Roe vs Wade in the OP? This Supreme Court just invalidated New York's ability to manage gun violence with an atextual reading of the 2nd Amendment. New York now cannot protect its citizens from school shootings as effectively due to a lifetime court appointed by a president with a minority of voter share.

Not surprising that you'd try to turn the topic into an emotionally charged subject like RvW though, since it lets you ignore the absurdity of the Senate's distribution of voter power and its anti-majority rules that encourage the legislative body to delegate legislating to the unelected courts.

That's not to mention that the destruction of Roe v Wade opens the path for an R-senate to pass federal legislation banning abortion across the country, a desire of many Republicans, despite R seats tending to represent significantly fewer people.

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A really great time for white straight Christian men huh? Lmao. You seem like the kind of guy who's just giddy for Obergefell and Loving v Virginia to fall

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From a game theory perspective, it's difficult for me to see how or why court-packing won't be the next answer. Before this round of decisions, adherence to precedent was enough to stay the hand of the Democrats while the GOP filled enough spots that align with their interests to get favorable decisions on new cases for the foreseeable future.

It is difficult to imagine a scenario where major legislation passed by any Democratic administration is not gutted by GOP-aligned judges. The argument of "well the court-packing may swing the other way" seems a lot less important when that is already the reality the Democrats face with the current makeup of the court for an indeterminate amount of time until they get lucky enough for two of the SCOTUS judges to die suddenly during a blue administration (unlike RBG, I'm going to guess they will step down during a conservative administration in order to maintain the favorable balance of power). In this scenario, what do they risk by court-packing?

This white colonial settler state is on the ropes, again. The GOP and Supreme Court will drag us back to pre-1955 America

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I had a longer reply, but it is clear you have a more optimistic view of the current SCOTUS than I do. I'll try to remember to tag you for a discussion when these cases have been reconsidered if I still post on this forum by then.

Of all thats happened to our country in the last month to have a Buzzfeed titled meltdown about, allowing concealed carry in NYC is the thing that strikes you the hardest?

I get you have to walk the line and be a team player, but you need to take a huge step back and look at your mindset here.

Doe posted...

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Where did I mention Roe vs Wade in the OP? This Supreme Court just invalidated New York's ability to manage gun violence with an atextual reading of the 2nd Amendment. New York now cannot protect its citizens from school shootings as effectively due to a lifetime court appointed by a president with a minority of voter share.

Not surprising that you'd try to turn the topic into an emotionally charged subject like RvW though,

This is deranged.

Ultimately, our Constitution is insufficient to the needs of the 21st century, and was never intended to be the basis of an egalitarian, equitable, multiracial democracy. It was built to sustain a patriarchal, aristocratic, white supremacist colonial republic, and it is, unfortunately, quite good at that.