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CyricZ
06/24/22 7:15:55 AM
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What's your opinion?




And follow-up question; do you think this ruling has changed the game all that much?

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UnholyMudcrab
06/24/22 7:16:17 AM
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It is never okay to talk to the police, and never was.

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Xavier_On_High
06/24/22 7:17:42 AM
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It was never okay


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Zikten
06/24/22 7:18:04 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
It is never okay to talk to the police, and never was.

This

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YugiNoob
06/24/22 7:18:18 AM
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I just give them a polite nod and hello when I walk by.

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Sufferedphoneix
06/24/22 7:23:16 AM
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As long as you ain't bad about incriminating yourself or others and know how to be respectful. As long as you aren't being accused of something I guess.

I've had positive experiences with cops and negative ones. Stereotyping is a thing. And while race sadly plays a role how you dress and carry yourself falls into it too. I've been harassed by cops before and when I was was back when I'd wear baggy ripped up jeans (jnco) a baggy Hoodie and a beanie and had long hair.

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Alteres
06/24/22 7:27:27 AM
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I dunno, I took a bunch of lsd once and went and chatted with a cop for shiggles at like 3am in the middle of a Walmart.

Most of them seem fine if theyre just wandering around.

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Middle hope
06/24/22 7:28:22 AM
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Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.

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Doom_Art
06/24/22 7:35:15 AM
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Cops are a gang. Engage with them the same way you would any individual you suspect of being in a gang.

Keep your head down and stay out of their way. They're unpredictable, prone to outbursts, and love to make victims of people in their way.

Middle hope posted...
Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.


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whitelytning
06/24/22 7:39:05 AM
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What Miranda ruling? If you are talking about the opinion from this week it didnt change how Miranda works for evidentiary issues. Nothing changed.

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Sufferedphoneix
06/24/22 7:40:47 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Cops are a gang. Engage with them the same way you would any individual you suspect of being in a gang.

Keep your head down and stay out of their way. They're unpredictable, prone to outbursts, and love to make victims of people in their way.


As said many times here I work in a prison. In basic our instructors legit told us we where practically a gang. The main big box we didn't check off on being considered a gang was criminal activity being part of our established goals.

But those checkboxes are pretty loose. By it's standards. Military is a gang. Hell you could stretch it to any profession with a uniform is a gang

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wackyteen
06/24/22 7:41:38 AM
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It's Friday

Let's go over the script

https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o

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NoMeLx22x
06/24/22 7:42:23 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/24/22 7:50:59 AM
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Never without an attorney that has your interests at stake.

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MrMallard
06/24/22 7:53:41 AM
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Miranda gave citizens some warning about what the police would do with information provided to them.

Now, citizens need to know that they need an attorney to prevent unintended testimony going to court.

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Middle hope
06/24/22 7:55:45 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Cops are a gang. Engage with them the same way you would any individual you suspect of being in a gang.

Keep your head down and stay out of their way. They're unpredictable, prone to outbursts, and love to make victims of people in their way.

You seem like the type of dude that would go as white as a sheet and prattle off your entire life story in about 2 seconds if a cop walked up to you and said "hello".

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viewmaster_pi
06/24/22 7:55:57 AM
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i talk to cops fairly regularly at my job. "having a good night?"
"yeah"
"nice"
not the big deal ce dudes pretend it is

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MrMallard
06/24/22 7:56:58 AM
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Middle hope posted...
You seem like the type of dude that would go as white as a sheet and prattle off your entire life story in about 2 seconds if a cop walked up to you and said "hello".
Cops don't behave that way in Sweden

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gatorsPENSbucs
06/24/22 7:57:39 AM
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Middle hope posted...
Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.


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Doom_Art
06/24/22 8:08:58 AM
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Middle hope posted...
You seem like the type of dude that would go as white as a sheet and prattle off your entire life story in about 2 seconds if a cop walked up to you and said "hello".
you seem like the type of dude who likes the taste of leather lol

gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.
also when you guys say this do you understand how unsettling it appears to normal people

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Rathinor
06/24/22 8:11:06 AM
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Middle hope posted...
Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.
If you're white, sure
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Doe
06/24/22 8:20:00 AM
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You're putting yourself in danger just having a police officer as an acquaintance

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/22 8:24:53 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Edits: I had a moment

There's a sequel

https://youtu.be/-FENubmZGj8

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wackyteen
06/24/22 8:34:21 AM
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MrMallard posted...
Miranda gave citizens some warning about what the police would do with information provided to them.

Now, citizens need to know that they need an attorney to prevent unintended testimony going to court.
They still need to Mirandize you, you just can't sue the individual for not doing so.

If they don't Mirandize you, anything they verbally receive as evidence against you is inadmissible

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/22 8:36:36 AM
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wackyteen posted...


If they don't Mirandize you, anything they verbally receive as evidence against you is inadmissible

This is absolutely not accurate. I believe this is only applicable after you've been charged.

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Paragon21XX
06/24/22 8:39:24 AM
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When the investigator assigned to a crime says to you "just one more thing," that's your cue to shut up.

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/22 8:41:03 AM
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Paragon21XX posted...
When the investigator assigned to a crime says to you "just one more thing," that's your cue to shut up.
If he says that it's already too late

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Kaldrenthebold
06/24/22 8:43:18 AM
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Hey it's shut the fuck up Friday:

https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o

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emblem boy
06/24/22 8:45:00 AM
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Never been safe. I first watched this video many years ago and it still holds true.

If thinking about it in terms of race or class hurts your sensibilities, realize that it doesn't even have to do with that and this video doesn't come at it from that angle.

Cops are people, and people make mistakes. Be very cautious about making mistakes in front of people who have the power cops do. As simple as that. Protect yourself from saying something stupid that can be inadvertently used against you.

Protect yourself from yourself. There's a reason when cops themselves get in trouble, their union advocates tell them to shut their mouth

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

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emblem boy
06/24/22 8:48:46 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
As long as you ain't bad about incriminating yourself or others and know how to be respectful. As long as you aren't being accused of something I guess.


I've had positive interactions with them as well. But it's quite a bit of hubris to believe that in a stressful situation when you're being arrested or accused of something, that you're going to magically be a super stoic person who doesn't say anything to make situations worse.

That's why it's better to just shut your mouth.

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eaglei3
06/24/22 9:01:46 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
This is absolutely not accurate. I believe this is only applicable after you've been charged.

This is absolutely not accurate. Police can arrest you on probable cause. Miranda rights are supposed to take effect the moment you are in their custody and they begin any form of interrogation.
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gunplagirl
06/24/22 9:04:18 AM
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Paragon21XX posted...
When the investigator assigned to a crime says to you "just one more thing," that's your cue to shut up.
Columbo already has your number by the time he says that, though I guess that reminds me that I did want to ask you one more thing.

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Sufferedphoneix
06/24/22 9:05:09 AM
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emblem boy posted...
I've had positive interactions with them as well. But it's quite a bit of hubris to believe that in a stressful situation when you're being arrested or accused of something, that you're going to magically be a super stoic person who doesn't say anything to make situations worse.

That's why it's better to just shut your mouth.

That's why I said if you aren't being accused of anything and good at not incriminating yourself. Not either or. They start accusing you shut your mouth.

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Zikten
06/24/22 9:07:02 AM
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Middle hope posted...
Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.

Tell that to all the people who cooperated and still got shot
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AzNDarkSamurai
06/24/22 9:07:09 AM
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Never

you cant trust what they will do with the information they get from you

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Kaldrenthebold
06/24/22 9:21:47 AM
#39:


Middle hope posted...
Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.

Never ever ever do this. Never.

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/22 9:50:59 AM
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eaglei3 posted...
This is absolutely not accurate. Police can arrest you on probable cause without an official charge from a state prosecutor or warrant from a judge. Miranda rights are supposed to take effect the moment you are in their custody and they begin any form of interrogation.

Your miranda rights are always in effect. This is about whether your private testimony to the police can be legally inadmissible due to having not been informed. You can absolutely be brought in for questioning and then arrested based on your statements without having been warned.

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Megaman50100
06/24/22 10:25:00 AM
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What should I do if my car gets stolen and my lawyer is indisposed?

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ElatedVenusaur
06/24/22 10:29:15 AM
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Megaman50100 posted...
What should I do if my car gets stolen and my lawyer is indisposed?
Wait.
The cops probably aren't going to put in much effort to finding your car anyway.

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eaglei3
06/24/22 10:45:31 AM
#43:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Your miranda rights are always in effect. This is about whether your private testimony to the police can be legally inadmissible due to having not been informed. You can absolutely be brought in for questioning and then arrested based on your statements without having been warned.

None of this has to do with the current Supreme Court case though. There have always been times where Miranda Rights do not legally protect you such as if it is deemed a police officer asked you a question that has immediate impact on public safety or if you voluntarily tell an officer something while you are not arrested or contained by them.

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Patchwork
06/24/22 11:07:57 AM
#44:


Tyranthraxus posted...
This is absolutely not accurate. I believe this is only applicable after you've been charged.

Miranda kicks in when a subject is:

  1. In custody
  2. Asked guilt-seeking questions.
For example, the police ask you to come to the station to talk about Subject A. You agree. You sit opposite a detective in the room, with the door open, and he informs you that you are NOT under arrest and that you are free to leave at any time.

Any reasonable person would believe this to be true, so Miranda is not necessary.

However, you are TOLD to come to the station, the door is shut, the detective has a forceful and accusatory manner about Subject A or Crime A.

Miranda will apply here. A reasonable person would not feel free to leave and he is asking you guilt seeking questions.

You can read up on the affirming cases, and all of the cases wherein the minutiae have been hammered out.

The ruling didnt change the need for Miranda. It did remove the ability to sue the officer under a civil rights violation if he did not read Miranda when he should have.

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ScazarMeltex
06/24/22 11:09:03 AM
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Literally fucking never. Even at a traffic stop, you present your ID and insurance and shut the fuck up.

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Tyranthraxus
06/24/22 11:18:57 AM
#46:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Literally fucking never. Even at a traffic stop, you present your ID and insurance and shut the fuck up.

There are some questions you should answer at a routine traffic stop but they have specific answers. Here's a video about it in more detail.

https://youtu.be/DWk6fYkUOLU

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gatorsPENSbucs
06/24/22 12:11:33 PM
#47:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Literally fucking never. Even at a traffic stop, you present your ID and insurance and shut the fuck up.
How many times have you done that?

Ive had quite a few interactions with cops and me talking with respect and cooperating with them has gotten me out of trouble 99% of the time.

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Sackgurl
06/24/22 12:13:50 PM
#48:


Megaman50100 posted...
What should I do if my car gets stolen and my lawyer is indisposed?
file a claim with your insurance

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SSJPurple
06/24/22 12:28:00 PM
#49:


Middle hope posted...
Any time. Always cooperate and you wont have an issue.

Says the nimrod


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SauI_Goodman
06/24/22 12:28:50 PM
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Its always been never. Even before this.

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Umbreon
06/24/22 12:30:05 PM
#51:


Sufferedphoneix posted...
As long as you ain't bad about incriminating yourself or others


Spoilers: Literally anything you say can be twisted to make you look bad, regardless of your intentions or how respectful you are.

Don't say shit to a cop without a lawyer.


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