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Ben 2- IGCD, Red
Mzero 1-(ulti), Ben
DYL 1- ulti
Lea-0( igcd)

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[2] Ben - IGCD, red
[1] MZero - (Ulti), Ben
[1] DYL - Ulti
[0] Lea - (IGCD)

For what my two cents are worth, I also like IGCD for going against the grain (the grain whose name is Lea)
IGCD being active early on at all is a good sign in my memory.

it's those who would blindly accept it that bring me great pause.

MZero posted...

I do feel weird about Ben's reaction, but I feel like Scum Ben/Town Lea is almost never true. If scum really can't target Lea calling her confirmable doesn't seem like the move. Scum/Scum is too on the nose, and besides, they were both scum last game. What are the chances all three of us rolled scum again?

So basically, I think Ben is town

Oh no, I think Mzero is scum again.

##Vote:Mzero

This is really contrived logic for 100 posts in. I dont think town Mzero attempts to make these sort of far flung connections as town so early.

Obellisk posted...

morning sheep.

igcds brain walked into this game echoing exactly where my brain wants to go off the cuff. I however, am being a bit more open minded this game compared to last.

And death, one of the few people I feel I can read town quite well has not made me doubt that feeling yet.

I gather you feel differently though?

IGCD has been echoing the exact opposite for me in that I disagree with everything that comes out of his mouth. I want to know how he came to a conclusion where he scumreads three players I've townread so far because I'm not seeing it.

And I also feel the opposite to you about Death! That first post twigged my Deathsense quite badly. IGCD often varies wildly from me in reads and I'm not so worried about him because of that alone, but Death opening to such a horrid (and noncommital, at that) take on Ben makes my gut scream. I don't know if the feeling Ben is different this game comes solely from being on his team last game and feeling he's different, but no chance we're even considering lynching him today and it's alarming that Death of all people thinks otherwise.

To clarify my thoughts on Ben: within the first ten posts dude just fuckin walks in and starts bossing the place around. Last game he just went with the flow, occasionally tried to be a bit clever, and ended up getting walked over himself. Like, I don't understand how people who watched the last game intently come to the conclusion he's scum again. If this game had Chris in I'd already be at the point where we just murder anyone who tries to kill him because no way there's such a dramatic difference so soon. As it is, it's possible that the absence of Chrisfear gave him a shot in the arm, but I think the more likely explanation is that Ben is just TownBen who wants to fuck scum up after getting curbstomped last time out.

masterplum posted...

Oh no, I think Mzero is scum again.

This is really contrived logic for 100 posts in. I dont think town Mzero attempts to make these sort of far flung connections as town so early.

Bad take. Plum's probably Town.

Also, regardless of whether I believe her claim or not, Lea took over 400 posts to make a single game-related message last time out as scum. This time she did something to generate real discussion within the first damn post. That goes against everything I witnessed from her last D1.

but no chance we're even considering lynching him today and it's alarming that Death of all people thinks otherwise

Quite a leap to see my post about me feeling something is off about Bens 1st post and assume I want to lynch Ben already.
Almost like you are putting words in my mouth here.

I didn't get to see Bens play as closely as you did last game either. Though I did take a quick look to compare the two Bens and you are at least right in that Bens a bit different here. He was a lot more fluffy and jokey in the last game's start and here its less so. Though now I want to look back even further because I swear Ben always started off jokey before now.

All of that stuff you just posted there, sheep, gave me such a town erection.

I will take what you said under advisement. I see the inconsistencies in play you are referring to in both Ben and Lea, but it's too early for me to accept as just town. Ben is a good enough player to adjust himself. Lea in general I just have trouble trusting.

htaeD posted...

Quite a leap to see my post about me feeling something is off about Bens 1st post and assume I want to lynch Ben already.
Almost like you are putting words in my mouth here.

I didn't get to see Bens play as closely as you did last game either. Though I did take a quick look to compare the two Bens and you are at least right in that Bens a bit different here. He was a lot more fluffy and jokey in the last game's start and here its less so. Though now I want to look back even further because I swear Ben always started off jokey before now.

Man if I say something's off with someone in my first post it usually means I do wanna lynch them >_>

Ben typically does start off as jokey and it's rare that I feel great about him until later in D1 for that reason. Hell, I'm pretty sure I've voted him D1 in every game we've both been in since Mafia came back. It's not the jokes or dislike of fluff that make me wanna do that normally, but the recognition that Ben's not putting out productive content. Ben and Lea both started off this game with very strong intent to generate pro-town content and we've gotten to the point where we're actually discussing the game within the first few pages in part because of it. Scum does not want that. What's the incentive for them to start the game the way they did as scum?

Obellisk posted...

I will take what you said under advisement. I see the inconsistencies in play you are referring to in both Ben and Lea, but it's too early for me to accept as just town. Ben is a good enough player to adjust himself. Lea in general I just have trouble trusting.

I agree and I'm willing to listen to any good arguments even if I disagree with the conclusions! But right now, I'm more interested in the people who're shading them.

Ben being serious at all just threw me off. But upon 2nd glance its not like he was superserious for the rest of page1.
I dont tend to me lynch thirsty (if thats the right way to put it) early on either way, I just like to state things so I can look back on them later.

We are agreed on Lea at least.

By the by, BlueCrystalTear is new to b8 mafia right?

masterplum posted...

This is really contrived logic for 100 posts in. I dont think town Mzero attempts to make these sort of far flung connections as town so early.

It's very simple logic. If Lea is untargetable and scum knows she is town, scum doesn't want to take that mislynch off the board. Especially cause it's a suspicious claim that could be made to avoid being scanned as scum. Ben could have pocketed her without going so far into confirmed territory

I like that Sheep and I are on the same wavelength here

htaeD posted...

By the by, BlueCrystalTear is new to b8 mafia right?

I believe he has played at least once

Sheep007 posted...

To clarify my thoughts on Ben: within the first ten posts dude just fuckin walks in and starts bossing the place around. Last game he just went with the flow, occasionally tried to be a bit clever, and ended up getting walked over himself. Like, I don't understand how people who watched the last game intently come to the conclusion he's scum again.

The difference in behavior is solely because Chris is not in this game.

htaeD posted...

Ben being serious at all just threw me off. But upon 2nd glance its not like he was superserious for the rest of page1.
I dont tend to me lynch thirsty (if thats the right way to put it) early on either way, I just like to state things so I can look back on them later.

We are agreed on Lea at least.

This is why Ben not catching I was also joking really made me raise an eyebrow. How are you joking and then assume what I said was serious?

Believing what players say at face value is a massive scum tell

IfGodCouldDie posted...

The difference in behavior is solely because Chris is not in this game.

To what extent would you apply this to others, or is it mostly Ben's behaviour you expect to change based on Chris' presence?

Sheep007 posted...

To what extent would you apply this to others, or is it mostly Ben's behaviour you expect to change based on Chris' presence?

Its only Ben that I expect to change his behavior so drastically due to a lack of Chris.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Its only Ben that I expect to change his behavior so drastically due to a lack of Chris.

I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. We can reasonably expect Ben to act differently based on Chris being in the game regardless of alignment. Let's put Ben on hold for now, though.

What do you think the scum reasoning for Lea claiming on that first post is? Let's also put aside whether you believe her claim or not - what does she gain from it?

Sheep007 posted...

I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. We can reasonably expect Ben to act differently based on Chris being in the game regardless of alignment. Let's put Ben on hold for now, though.

What do you think the scum reasoning for Lea claiming on that first post is? Let's also put aside whether you believe her claim or not - what does she gain from it?

Its less about what I think Scum lea would do and more about what I expect a town lea not to do, and I don't expect a town lea to completely throw their role away like she does in her first post.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Its less about what I think Scum lea would do and more about what I expect a town lea not to do, and I don't expect a town lea to completely throw their role away like she does in her first post.

I agree, actually. I don't see much of a reason for Lea to reveal her actual role so early. I also don't see much of a reason for scum Lea to claim that so early. Scum never wants to lock itself into a claim quickly (especially one that looks so bad), they don't want to draw a ton of attention to themselves, and they don't want to generate a ton of discussion. We can't rule out her being scum, but to me the simplest and most likely explanation is that it was just a town play to kick the day into gear. I will be surprised if Lea is what she claimed, so I agree with you there!

Good morning everyone. Nice to finally be in a game once again.

Lea claiming a role like that early on seems pretty towny, that'd be putting a lot of unnecessary attention on her otherwise.

Initial Ulti aggression towards Mzero already feeling familiar(And yes you're unblocked).

Something about IGCD though, he comes in voting Lea, says he doesn't like Ulti's post... except for the part where he attacks Mzero, but then doesn't indicate a dislike of mzero?

IGCD, you explained that you saw Ben as disingenuous. I don't think you went into detail of the other users mentioned, could you walk me through that?

Oh I guess you just explained your Lea response then.

Dark Young Link posted...

Good morning everyone. Nice to finally be in a game once again.

Lea claiming a role like that early on seems pretty towny, that'd be putting a lot of unnecessary attention on her otherwise.

Initial Ulti aggression towards Mzero already feeling familiar(And yes you're unblocked).

Something about IGCD though, he comes in voting Lea, says he doesn't like Ulti's post... except for the part where he attacks Mzero, but then doesn't indicate a dislike of mzero?

IGCD, you explained that you saw Ben as disingenuous. I don't think you went into detail of the other users mentioned, could you walk me through that?

Ulti willing to confirm both Ben and Lea town over what they have posted is asinine. And I believe Lea is too good of a player to just throw away their role like that.

As far as the not liking Ulti except for the Mzero hate, the latter part of that was just being facetious because of Mzero knack to role scum like 90% of his games.

Ah shoot I woke up this morning thinking I forgot about something and then I remembered I signed up for this game.

I'll be busy today, but I'll be back in the evening to lynch some scum!

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ulti willing to confirm both Ben and Lea town over what they have posted is asinine

What're your thoughts on MZero and myself also feeling good about them, though? If it differs from your view of Ulti, why might that be?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ulti willing to confirm both Ben and Lea town over what they have posted is asinine. And I believe Lea is too good of a player to just throw away their role like that.

As far as the not liking Ulti except for the Mzero hate, the latter part of that was just being facetious because of Mzero knack to role scum like 90% of his games.

Fair enough. I haven't played with Lea in ages so I wouldn't really know what their playstyle is like these days.

Sheep007 posted...

Ben, I feel I've seen a kindred spirit in you in the few posts of this game so far. Do you have an inexorable urge to demolish a scum team yourself after what happened last game, perchance?

100% accurate. And I like that this means you feel the same coming into the game.

Sheep007 posted...

Also, regardless of whether I believe her claim or not, Lea took over 400 posts to make a single game-related message last time out as scum. This time she did something to generate real discussion within the first damn post. That goes against everything I witnessed from her last D1.

And this here is a big reason reason Lea is town that I was waiting for someone to say.

Sheep it appears you are obv town this game. I dont know how you do it. But it's good news for me.

Sheep007 posted...

What're your thoughts on MZero and myself also feeling good about them, though? If it differs from your view of Ulti, why might that be?

I haven't had any thoughts on it because it hasn't felt relevant to me.

Okay nvm I had time to catch up right now.

Regarding Lea's claim, didn't she do this last game, too? Are we sure she's not joking? Feels like everyone (especially Ben) is taking it very seriously and at face value. But I do think it was a productive first post. Lea isn't giving me bad vibes like she did last game.

Speaking of Ben, does anyone remember how he played during Chris's game? I was absent for most of Day 1 that game (which was also how long Ben was alive for IIRC). He's definitely playing differently now. Less chummy than his gig as Scum last game. But was it because of fearing Chris? Possibly. Does anyone recall the last scum game they played with Ben?

I've got no strong opinions on Ulti right now. He's always been a wildcard to me, though I mean I was about to come in here and vote MZero for the memes. So I don't blame him for that lol

IGCD is pretty consistent, though. I'd be scared if he was scum; he's acting exactly how he did in the last two games I played with him, where he was town. I think. I forget if earlygame IGCD is as aggressive as lategame IGCD.

I will say on quick re-reading page 2 I did not like Mzero's triple posts from #52-#54. Looked there like he was realizing one post a time they next post he needeed to make to make his thought process conclude believably so that he could move on from this "crush Ulti" issue he had trapped himself in. Anyone have thoughts on these posts?

And if Plum starts voting for me, he's definitely town lol

Wish I could've made that last post longer to really trigger the people who dislike walls!

Kirby321 posted...

Okay nvm I had time to catch up right now.

Regarding Lea's claim, didn't she do this last game, too? Are we sure she's not joking? Feels like everyone (especially Ben) is taking it very seriously and at face value. But I do think it was a productive first post. Lea isn't giving me bad vibes like she did last game.

Speaking of Ben, does anyone remember how he played during Chris's game? I was absent for most of Day 1 that game (which was also how long Ben was alive for IIRC). He's definitely playing differently now. Less chummy than his gig as Scum last game. But was it because of fearing Chris? Possibly. Does anyone recall the last scum game they played with Ben?

I've got no strong opinions on Ulti right now. He's always been a wildcard to me, though I mean I was about to come in here and vote MZero for the memes. So I don't blame him for that lol

IGCD is pretty consistent, though. I'd be scared if he was scum; he's acting exactly how he did in the last two games I played with him, where he was town. I think. I forget if earlygame IGCD is as aggressive as lategame IGCD.

Early game and late game IGCD can both be aggressive in different ways, mid game IGCD is lurkey as fuck.

And between Plum's vote for Mzero on this page and Mzero's defending of Plum over my interpretation of his post #25, I think Mzero/Plum cannot be scum/scum

PunishedBen posted...

I will say on quick re-reading page 2 I did not like Mzero's triple posts from #52-#54. Looked there like he was realizing one post a time they next post he needeed to make to make his thought process conclude believably so that he could move on from this "crush Ulti" issue he had trapped himself in. Anyone have thoughts on these posts?

Isn't the crush Ulti thing a joke? I mean, the triple posts were odd, but I interpreted the third post of that set as just humor conceived on the spot.

I'm going to take notes this game which I have never done before. But what I HAVE done before is say I am going to take notes and then not do it because I'm lazy :P

Oh right
I forgot that Lea's posts were deleted in the logs for some reason so I cant directly compare the claim.

But the claim I do see just doesn't give off a very jokey tone. I mean if I were in her shoes and I got this actual role, I would want to claim it as well.
And if it is a joke, I still dont see Lea making it as scum.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I haven't had any thoughts on it because it hasn't felt relevant to me.

I think it's relevant now! Mull it over a tad.

PunishedBen posted...

I will say on quick re-reading page 2 I did not like Mzero's triple posts from #52-#54. Looked there like he was realizing one post a time they next post he needeed to make to make his thought process conclude believably so that he could move on from this "crush Ulti" issue he had trapped himself in. Anyone have thoughts on these posts?

Honestly, I kinda townread MZero based on the Ulti triplepost. The dude lurked like hell at times last game as scum and didn't post if it was unnecessary. I think as scum he just lets it sit and assumes nobody'll ask rather than constructing an obvious thought process, whereas it feels like he's having more fun this game and just posting what comes to mind.

Regardless of this minor disagreement, I look forward to destroying the poor scumteam with you, Ben. Just post your notes in our mason chat and I'll keep track of em x

Kirby321 posted...

And if Plum starts voting for me, he's definitely town lol

Wish I could've made that last post longer to really trigger the people who dislike walls!

I was wrong!

masterplum posted...

This is why Ben not catching I was also joking really made me raise an eyebrow. How are you joking and then assume what I said was serious?

Believing what players say at face value is a massive scum tell

I knew it was a joke of course, but even the joke implies you were in hard disagreement with everything I was saying about Lea at the time. I was looking for people who didn't accept Lea as town and was quick to jump. Since you are confirming here that you don't think I should have read into it, I will assume that means you didn't have an opinion of Lea's alignment at the time and will drop it.

PunishedBen posted...

I knew it was a joke of course, but even the joke implies you were in hard disagreement with everything I was saying about Lea at the time. I was looking for people who didn't accept Lea as town and was quick to jump. Since you are confirming here that you don't think I should have read into it, I will assume that means you didn't have an opinion of Lea's alignment at the time and will drop it.

Why would you drop it based on me saying you shouldnt read into it?

Quick notes so far

Ben's post 7 made me feel grimy, but him linking to Lea so hard when I started coming around to thinking Lea is Town made me feel better because I don't know if Scumben needs to do that. Ben also said he thinks he might be the only person who prefers Day 1 which is dumb to say since I am the king of Day 1.

I'm also leaning on the side of Lea being Town. As Scum, she would claim this right away because if she was the same role last game, she wouldn't want to get got the same way, but that claim is a single play that probably has less equity than letting it slide.

Plum on page 1 seemed to be the most "on the outside looking in" of people posting, so he's probably Scum and if I had a dayvig shot I would have pulled the trigger as my first post this game.

Chang seems smart. That's what I wrote on my note and I think that's good?

BCT, sorry bud, entered by asking how we do day 1's, which is a complete farce since BCT has played in few games and read through games before. That's pure "Hey guys, this is my first game of Among Us, what does venting mean?" energy as I vent around murdering everyone in my first game of Among Us. I'll give you more time BCT but I think you gave away the rope there.

IGCD is being belligerent and saying things that make me eye roll so he's Town.

Red is always worth lynching.

MZero is providing more content than usual, even for it being his time period. That burst in energy does imply he's rolled Town after so many decades of being Scum.

Lastly, Kirby's first vote felt like an unnecessary check-in.

Oh, and if SBell doesn't ping me as Scum by end of page 6 then he's probably Town. Think it was the last game, but I read like 3 pages and he was so very obviously Scum on page 1 that I think if I'm not pinging him then he's probably safe. I'll admit I'm nervous about reading that wrong though.

Sheep007 posted...

I think it's relevant now! Mull it over a tad.

Honestly, I kinda townread MZero based on the Ulti triplepost. The dude lurked like hell at times last game as scum and didn't post if it was unnecessary. I think as scum he just lets it sit and assumes nobody'll ask rather than constructing an obvious thought process, whereas it feels like he's having more fun this game and just posting what comes to mind.

Regardless of this minor disagreement, I look forward to destroying the poor scumteam with you, Ben. Just post your notes in our mason chat and I'll keep track of em x

I agree on that point - just thought that getting to the conclusion of not wanting to crush Ulti so easily is an easy out to go back to lurking. But he did answer my question for why he thinks Ulti is town, so that is good. I think your take is more accurate now

masterplum posted...

Why would you drop it based on me saying you shouldnt read into it?

Because I feel a little embarrassed that everyone is saying "its just a joke bro, why are you replying to that post like it means anything".

So maybe it doesn't. And you are reacting the same way. Like, really not addressing anything just blanket "it was a joke".

If you're scum I'll find other reasons to incriminate you.

Han coming in with the IGCD townread makes me feel reassured cause I'm gonna be real and say I had no idea what to make from what I've seen of him so far, aside from disagreeing with the majority of it. I advise anyone who is not used to IGCD to trust Han's judgement here, because he's either probably correct Town or scum who has enough ego to not get IGCD's alignment wrong.

Ben skimming over my posts feels weird.

Sheep007 posted...

I think it's relevant now! Mull it over a tad.

I more meant they are null and don't matter at this point.

Sheep007 posted...

Honestly, I kinda townread MZero based on the Ulti triplepost. The dude lurked like hell at times last game as scum and didn't post if it was unnecessary. I think as scum he just lets it sit and assumes nobody'll ask rather than constructing an obvious thought process, whereas it feels like he's having more fun this game and just posting what comes to mind.

I can wholeheartedly support this thought process.