Poll of the Day > I want to go to China.

(+) Yeah! (+)

I mean, I bought tickets to Vegas the same month that fucking shooting happened. It didn't feel right.

Although that 2014 Kunming attack also happened just before I got to China too. annnnd I got into Thailand while the coup d'tat was happening.

Jen0125 posted...

yeah i would never recommend someone international travel here anymore. who knows when there's going to be a time a tourist gets caught in a huge mass shooting and it becomes an international issue

Yeah those mass shooters really like to congregate in national parks.

Revelation34 posted...

Yeah those mass shooters really like to congregate in national parks.

yeah not like america's largest mall would be a huge tourist site. or the mall of free museums in washington dc which happens to be the nation's capitol so that might be extra scary

i forgot people all just go to national parks and not population dense los angeles and new york city or seattle or miami or austin or portland

shit

As long as you're not black it's probably fine to visit China

Zareth posted...

As long as you're not black it's probably fine to visit China

Got damn why

ReturnOfFa posted...

This is funny, because as a Canadian, the US is now fairly 'off the table' as far as travel goes for these reasons. And there'd be dozens of countries that are way less dangerous than the US.

I see your point. We've got too much tension here with blm magas and shooters. Car jackings are also at an all time high. Americans really dont know how to act

teddy241 posted...

I see your point. We've got too much tension here with blm magas and shooters. Car jackings are also at an all time high. Americans really dont know how to act

BLM does not concern me whatsoever.

ReturnOfFa posted...

BLM does not concern me whatsoever.

Its the tension tho. The aggression. They stopped our light rail once on the way to a vikings game. We were stuck for 30 minutes cos they wouldnt get off the track. The light rail train had to go in reverse and drop us off at the previous station then we drove to the stadium

ReturnOfFa posted...

that f***ing shooting

I feel like it is a bad thing that I feel compelled to ask which one you are talking about.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Mostly because I just want to see what it is actually like.

People in America act like it's some awful place, but I have never met a single person who lives there or has visited there that can confirm any of the anti-chinese propaganda we are told. In fact, most people who have been/lived there will say most of it isn't true.

Yeah I'm sure they do, but sites are literally blocked over there, and their government literally controls what the media can and cannot say, hence the danger of trusting everyone with a seemingly convincing argument.

And they did that genocide and covered it up, I forget the name of it, with the protest. Yeah if you went there it would probably be fine because life does in fact go on without a working democracy. Doesn't mean their government doesn't suck.

Fun fact: the term "tankie" was coined to describe a liberal that somehow got tricked into supporting fascist regimes because they say "Socialism" a lot. Mostly appeared in the 80s, now popping up again with Ukraine and Russia.

Revelation34 posted...

7 months for absolutely nothing.

I dont think they treat foreigners very well there. Also, no right to self-defense seems to be a trend with East Asian countries. In Japan youre not allowed to, either. Youre supposed to run or take the beating and call the police for them to deal with. Its really one of the only negatives about the place. But, Im in Canada where we cant easily defend ourselves, as well.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

seems weird. I have friends who live in China who I speak to nightly on Discord and they don't have to "sneak online" lol

AKA use something that blocks your local ISP (or anyone, really) from seeing what youre doing.

teddy241 posted...

Its the tension tho. The aggression. They stopped our light rail once on the way to a vikings game. We were stuck for 30 minutes cos they wouldnt get off the track. The light rail train had to go in reverse and drop us off at the previous station then we drove to the stadium

BLM isn't a violent organization. They're a protest organization. Being held up on a train because of a protest isn't 'tense'.

I'm a little more afraid of the far-right militias and lone gunmen.

zebatov posted...

I dont think they treat foreigners very well there. Also, no right to self-defense seems to be a trend with East Asian countries. In Japan youre not allowed to, either. Youre supposed to run or take the beating and call the police for them to deal with. Its really one of the only negatives about the place. But, Im in Canada where we cant easily defend ourselves, as well.

This is a weird interpretation of Canadian law. You have rights to self-defence.

Self-defence against unprovoked assault
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force they use is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
Extent of justification
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) they cause it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) they believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.

It seems people interpret in Canada that we 'don't have a right to self-defense' based on cases like Gerald Stanley shooting Colten Boushie - which I don't agree with. Guy shot a kid that was stealing his ATV - not justified. You're allowed to fight back if someone is assaulting you.

ReturnOfFa posted...

This is a weird interpretation of Canadian law. You have rights to self-defence.

Self-defence against unprovoked assault
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force they use is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
Extent of justification
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) they cause it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) they believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.

It seems people interpret in Canada that we 'don't have a right to self-defense' based on cases like Gerald Stanley shooting Colten Boushie - which I don't agree with. Guy shot a kid that was stealing his ATV - not justified. You're allowed to fight back if someone is assaulting you.

Being "unlawfully assaulted" seems redundant, you can't get legally assaulted in Canada, right?

Yellow posted...

Fun fact: the term "tankie" was coined to describe a liberal that somehow got tricked into supporting fascist regimes because they say "Socialism" a lot. Mostly appeared in the 80s, now popping up again with Ukraine and Russia.

Actually, more originated in the 50s with the USSR's invasion of Hungary. There was a throughline with other conflicts too - Cambodia, Bosnia, and Syria - before Ukraine. The denialism around all three of those conflicts is immense, and involves 'respected' authors like Chomsky. I'm socialist and I was shocked when I became aware of this crap. Complete revisionism. Grayzone is the big one, but there's tons of YouTube content for those people - Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Bad Faith Podcast, Convo Couch, Rising with The Hill, Breaking Points...could keep going. They all regularly dabble in excusing China for anything bad they do too.

Fun fact, for chinas boomer generation, they were offered the choice of learning English or Russian as a secondary language in school.

Going to China seems like a really bad idea, they might decide to invade Taiwan at any time.

ReturnOfFa posted...

BLM isn't a violent organization. They're a protest organization. Being held up on a train because of a protest isn't 'tense'.

I'm a little more afraid of the far-right militias and lone gunmen.

so there have been zero members that committed violence?

bullshit

BlackScythe0 posted...

Going to China seems like a really bad idea, they might decide to invade Taiwan at any time.

Why would that matter if you're in mainland China?

Revelation34 posted...

Why would that matter if you're in mainland China?

Would you want to be in Russia while we're sending weapons to Ukraine? You trust a dictatorship to not jail you for your nationality?

Krazy_Kirby posted...

so there have been zero members that committed violence?

bullshit

Ah yes, BLM, the people doing mass shooting every day.

American priorities. Lmao.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Would you want to be in Russia while we're sending weapons to Ukraine? You trust a dictatorship to not jail you for your nationality?

I think there would be enough signs that you could gtfo pretty quickly. At least using Russia/Ukraine as a precedent. Would've definitely left Russia as soon as the invasion happened, but I wouldn't let something not happening at present influence my choice to travel. But yes, it is likely and would effect a choice to travel.

ReturnOfFa posted...

This is a weird interpretation of Canadian law. You have rights to self-defence.

Self-defence against unprovoked assault
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force they use is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
Extent of justification
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) they cause it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) they believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.

It seems people interpret in Canada that we 'don't have a right to self-defense' based on cases like Gerald Stanley shooting Colten Boushie - which I don't agree with. Guy shot a kid that was stealing his ATV - not justified. You're allowed to fight back if someone is assaulting you.

Six months in jail for defending himself:
https://bit.ly/3OnWzA6

One day youll learn that what the law states and what actually happens are two different things.

watch out for the drivers. they would rather kill you than leave you injured

ReturnOfFa posted...

This is a weird interpretation of Canadian law. You have rights to self-defence.

Self-defence against unprovoked assault
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force they use is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
Extent of justification
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) they cause it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) they believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.

It seems people interpret in Canada that we 'don't have a right to self-defense' based on cases like Gerald Stanley shooting Colten Boushie - which I don't agree with. Guy shot a kid that was stealing his ATV - not justified. You're allowed to fight back if someone is assaulting you.

in canada we cannot carry any object of any kind for purposes of self defence. just saying "I have this to defend myself just in case" will get you in trouble.

Sahuagin posted...

in canada we cannot carry any object of any kind for purposes of self defence. just saying "I have this to defend myself just in case" will get you in trouble.

If you have a non-weapon weapon on you, like a corkscrew, at least if youre caught with it, you can say you were going to drink some wine. Thats really the only way to get away with having a self-defense tool on you here.

zebatov posted...

Six months in jail for defending himself:
https://bit.ly/3OnWzA6

One day youll learn that what the law states and what actually happens are two different things.

uh yeah, I know that there are lots of instances where the law is not appropriately applied? this is not the norm.