Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 10 - Return of the DAY

(+) Yeah! (+)

Even ranting red earlier reminds me of yesteryear where red will think I should know something (forgetting I need to be paranoid as town or just not caring) and being annoyed and thinking I am being bad. All of that felt pretty genuine on read back as scum red doesn't usually have that type of pulse. That would be top level tier scum red drama to pull that off and with the claiming for no good reason yesterday even though I don't understand the role lock from scum at all I am willing to let that go until the game unfolds in such a way where I have clearly been tricked. We aren't close to that yet.

2 or 3

Ulti
Jc
Mzero
Lea
Abacus

0 to 1 scum in

Sbell
Scare

Is my current read of the game. Anyone outside of these people being scum would make the game interesting in a probably bad way.

We know ulti is mewtwo
We know Lea didnt get up n1 and jc didn't get up n3. Abacus went nowhere n1 as well

Sbell and scare are scanned as innocent by death

Lots of info for us to sink our teeth into.

Most scum equity is probably just jc/abacus because they have nothing going for them play wise. Neither were strong end of day one. Lea has scum interactions that make me doubt as does ulti. Mzero is a little bit more flimsy but the ben/sheep thing sticks to me as not being 3 scum. It feels flimsy yet it stays with me.

Odds are one of those interactions is tricking me or something greater is tricking me. I don't feel like I quite have it all yet but it is coming close.

Then again I haven't re examined jc and abacus closely for a bit so maybe they will have things in their favor too. Jc being forgotten by town members erases my paranoia that it was scum trying to make him look bad though.

Food for thought.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


how many times is this going to be brought up for me to debunk

you literally mentioned me acknowledging it in your callout!

between this and JC saying I never answered his question after I answered it twice I have to wonder if my posts are just invisible and that's why people think I'm inactive

##vote: isquen

I have said everything I feel I need to say, anything more is going to require more information and a more robust discussion not suitable for when we have confirmed scum on a slab in front of us.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hb when you have a chance with the benefit of hindsight and knowing isquen is scum does your opinion change in relation to topic 2 post 132

As I said, I am willing to extend Lea more town credit in hindsight, mostly for the Arti defense but certainly because of me being wrong there too.

Hbthebattle posted...

As I said, I am willing to extend Lea more town credit in hindsight, mostly for the Arti defense but certainly because of me being wrong there too.

Strong 'per my previous email' vibes lol

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No, I said assuming Corrik was lying was a valid reason for Arti not to scan him because Corrik claimed a guilty scan on him, hence as town Arti would know he's lying as he does not scan guilty

your exact words were that I didn't acknowledge the situation, which I clearly did!

Lea's exact words were indeed at least a little inaccurate.

Who should I sleep with tonight? I have a few ideas

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Who should I sleep with tonight? I have a few ideas

hey there you sexy bitch.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Who should I sleep with tonight? I have a few ideas

Whoever you think is best. Keep scum guessing.

Who hasn't posted today? Abacus and Scare? I'd like to hear from them first before we hammer

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway something to note is both abacus and jc questioned the sheep lynch topic 3 page 1. For abacus this is actually alarming because he said he was going to follow me early day one but didn't even though I was voting two scum most of the day.

Abacus you paid lip service to me early day one but all you did when you had the chance is question my reads on scum. I am concerned.

I didn't question your reads on scum? From what I remember on day 1, I questioned why we would kill a tracker who as far as I knew at the time couldn't kill people over Ben whose role we didn't know. You thought both were scum, and even went as far to say that you would understand those who voted Ben over Sheep (role vs non-known role). I went with the non-known role. In hindsight, this was a bad move because of flavor swap, but at the time I had no idea.

Anyway, I was going to come in with a bunch of Isquen stuff that has pretty much all been talked about & Isquen lied about the day so pretty easy stuff.

Stuff that wasn't really talked about though that I'll point out: Mzero says that Isquen was scummoned (post 309, topic 2). Would Mzero call someone a scummon if they both were scum? Especially that early to throw doubt onto him? It's part of the reason I only think one of Mzero or Isquen are scum (Isquen being the obvious scum candidate).

I want to believe Lea is town after the defense of Arti. I just am not sure if a scum would offer themselves up to be lynched first in hopes to save a townie. Of course, Ben did something similar 2-3 years ago and was scum in one of the two games that I played so who knows, but I don't think so. Also, when I was giving my reads day one, Sheep LIKED me saying that Lea was scum. More points in her favor.

I'm still not convinced of Scare's innocence tbh. Sheep's post on day 1 (post 30 on topic 3) says this:

Chris' lynch list involving Scare? Not a huge fan of that, considering I feel like he should be able to read Scare well enough, but there we are. If we're picking from his choices, Ben is always the correct one, but I'm usually hesitant to let Chris dictate the lynch to such an extent because I know he's good enough as Scum to control a whole game.

Kind of pings me, but we'll see. I still have to read days 3 + 4, which I'll do tonight after I actually get home.

Also, want to keep pointing this out because it's also interesting if Isquen is Scum. From Ulti day 1 (topic 1, don't have a post number)

MATHEMATICALLY, the following six players have been town too often lately. Thus, the force says scum.

Ben, Red, Scare, Isquen, Chris, and Sheep. You get a bonus name.

Ulti would have been right on the money with 3/3.

Red not saying who he scanned is quite aggravating, but with how aggressive he is it also gives me more of a town read.

If Palpatine is an independent I'll be flabbergasted.

Anway, ##VOTE: Isquen

I think that's hammer?

STOP

Votals lead to Hate
[7] Isquen: Hb, Sultan, MZero, Ulti, Lea, Chris, Abacus
[1] Red: Isquen

STOP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Nl_96tcoE

Isquen has been lynched! He was...

I love democracy.

You are Sheev, DARK SIDE Ninja Godfather. A popular senator from Naboo, you knew that the best way to help your people was to oust Chancellor Valorum and take over as Supreme Chancellor. Do you have any additional designs? Maybe. Its a secret to the Jedi. And the senate. Seriously, nobody is able to tell what your game is. Youre practically invisible.

As a Ninja Godfather, if you are scanned by a role that determines alignment, you will return a result of LIGHT SIDE. Additionally, any possible role that would scan your movement will show you as taking no action and visiting nobody.

Eevee!

You are Eevee, DARK SIDE Backup. Eevees are known for their limitless potential. With the unique ability to evolve into eight different Pokemon, Eevees have become incredibly popular.

As a Backup, once per game, you can choose to adopt the power of a deceased DARK SIDE members Pokemon power. This does not use up your night action.

Living Playerlist

1. Chaeix (JC)
2. Hbthebattle
3. Kirby
4. Lea
5. MZero
6. Red13n
7. SBell
8. Scare
9. Sir Chris
10. Sultan
11. Ulti
12. ViolentAbacus

But will he return in Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Episode 9? Lets hope not
LD1 - Sheep - Venomoff Gideon, DARK SIDE Tracker/Poisoner
KN1 - IGCD - Charmandalorian, LIGHT SIDE Bodyguard/Vanilla
LD2 - Ben - Professor Snoke, DARK SIDE Neighborizer/Redirector
KN2 - Corrik - Padm Amidalakazam, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Psychic
LD3 - Chang - Ki-Adi Munna, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
KN3 - Masterplum - Surskit Fisto, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
LD4 - Arti - Pokdexter Jettser, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Flavor Cop
KN4 - Death - Mace Windewgong - LIGHT SIDE Cop/Vanilla
LD5 - Isquen - Sheevee - DARK SIDE Godfather Ninja/Backup

IT IS NOW NIGHT. NIGHT WILL LAST FOR ABOUT 29 HOURS. DAY WILL RESUME TOMORROW AT 7 EASTERN. ENJOY MEMORIAL DAY, AMERICANS. Night actions by 6:30 pls

NOTE

NOTE

Here are rules outlined in topic 1 on post 1:

Some Rules

1. There is a flavor split here - LIGHT SIDE/DARK SIDE.
2. Role PM's will be revealed on player death.
3. You don't have to flood the topic, but you need to participate at least some or else I will reach out about replacing you.
4. Don't be a jerk.
5. Have fun. This is a game.
6. You may claim your role. You may claim your flavor name. You may meta that shit all you want. But do not claim/meta any of the role message flavor. I will provide an example vanilla role message, but if anybody in the game starts using the wording of stuff in a message to try to make an argument, I will modkill.

I have been lenient on account of this is just a game, but this is a warning to everybody that wording in PM's is not meant to be meta'd, and from this point on, I will be relentless in modkilling people who break said rule. If you have questions about this, feel free to pm.

https://youtu.be/eXVrMLQR9V0?t=61

Sultan has died! He was...

Mucha shaka pakka.

You are Oola, LIGHT SIDE Prostitute. For some reason, the lekku (head tails) of the Twilek are the most universally sexy thing in the galaxy. They are apparently sensitive, and are sensuous body organs. So theyre like, super space tits. Anyway, Twileks are some of the most popular dancers in the whole galaxy, which probably means they do a little more sometimes, you know? Especially if youre Oola, the Twilek slave of Jabba the Hutt.

As a Prostitute, you may target a player of your choice each night. You will learn if they performed an action or not that night. Additionally, they will be told that they have been visited by a Prostitute.

(bubbling sounds)

You are Tentacool, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla. You are a pretty annoying Pokmon. Like the Zubat of the waves.

As a Vanilla, you have no additional abilities.

Living Playerlist

1. Chaeix (JC)
2. Hbthebattle
3. Kirby
4. Lea
5. MZero
6. Red13n
7. SBell
8. Scare
9. Sir Chris
10. Ulti
11. ViolentAbacus

Fed to the Rancor
LD1 - Sheep - Venomoff Gideon, DARK SIDE Tracker/Poisoner
KN1 - IGCD - Charmandalorian, LIGHT SIDE Bodyguard/Vanilla
LD2 - Ben - Professor Snoke, DARK SIDE Neighborizer/Redirector
KN2 - Corrik - Padm Amidalakazam, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Psychic
LD3 - Chang - Ki-Adi Munna, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
KN3 - Masterplum - Surskit Fisto, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
LD4 - Arti - Pokdexter Jettser, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Flavor Cop
KN4 - Death - Mace Windewgong - LIGHT SIDE Cop/Vanilla
LD5 - Isquen - Sheevee - DARK SIDE Godfather Ninja/Backup
KN5 - Sultan - Tentacoola - LIGHT SIDE Prostitute/Vanilla

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to reach majority. Day ends 48 hours from now, at 7pm eastern on wednesday, or if majority is reached.

GO

ALSO, everyone is now their Pokemon roles~

Stolen again.

But anyway, let's talk Red for a moment. I really cannot believe a claim that you were roleblocked, especially knowing that according to Kirby, isquen's backup was the redirector, a role I can't see coexisting with rb. I think it's time you tell us the full truth.

They killed my boy

Sultan seems like an odd kill, but I guess they didn't want his scanning.

Open question for people:

Do you feel any differently about Mzero and Lea now? Lea was a defender for Arti & was calling out Isquen since day 1 & has been calling for the lynch for a while. Mzero has been calling out for Isquens lynch since day 1.

Super Space Tits.

Congratulations by the way, Sbell! Understandable if you're absent tonight.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Congratulations by the way, Sbell! Understandable if you're absent tonight.

much thanks. I'm around. we are just dead tired and watching Stranger Things.

Also with Isquen flipping Sheev (I did not realize that was palpatine's name), my hesitancy towards Sbell & Scare have been quelled.

Hb, sbell, Scare very super confirmed
Kirby a step short of that but looking good

That's a good amount of really great looking players to have at 11 left.

I will go to my computer and review previous days and see if I find anything nice.

Also I have a guess for red and it is him being town btw hb. But I will let you have a full discussion with him first. Consider this a bookmark.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Also with Isquen flipping Sheev (I did not realize that was palpatine's name), my hesitancy towards Sbell & Scare have been quelled.

Who are your three top suspects at the moment?

For all of Reds play and anti-play, I still see him as town.

Also, Sultan going down is an interesting choice. But I suppose getting caught getting up last night was worse than leaving confirmed town on the board.

Obellisk posted...

For all of Reds play and anti-play, I still see him as town.

Also, Sultan going down is an interesting choice. But I suppose getting caught getting up last night was worse than leaving confirmed town on the board.

Also Sultan was as confirmed as anyone tbf

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also Sultan was as confirmed as anyone tbf

that's fair. he was a 2fer.

they dont have a ninja anymore, so sultan's role is exponentially more dangerous and I guess they want to keep stealing my scans???

Hb my best answer to you is that you are bad at host meta. Deal with it.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I will go to my computer and review previous days and see if I find anything nice.

I actually wanted peoples thoughts on JC thoughts on JC.

Chaeix posted a lot in Topic 6. One post, topic 6, post 287, actually caught my attention a bit.
Brings up Corrik's guily scan & shows doubt with Arti being scum. Other than that they only attack people who bring up inactivity (whether warranted or not), but really doesn't have any arguments for or against, just seemed really defensive over it. Also notice he starts to go into Chang here.

He goes into attack Chang again on topic 7 (119 I think?). Interestingly Isquen also calls out Chang.

Later on, in an almost complete 180 - after we know Arti has claimed a flavor cop & Chang has claimed vanilla/vanilla, JC swapped and quit really focusing on Chang. In fact, I'll quote it but the post is still topic 7, post 234:

Chaeix 6 days ago#234
Well I'm definitely okay with this pressure on Chang, thanks for going in Chris. I didn't seen anything great when his feet were put to the fire which gives me more confidence. Without second guessing the read, I'm wondering why we're not still lynching the counterclaimed person in Arti?

This reeks to me of "Oh hey, Chang doesn't have powers, so let me see if I can get people to switch to the flavor cop". I could be wrong, but that's what it seems.

Arti also calls out JC (Topic 7, post 235).

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Who are your three top suspects at the moment?

For me it is JC (Reasons outlined above)

Red for not wanting to claim who he "scanned" despite having no true reason not to when all he has to say is if they're town and nothing else. Also wondering about him being roleblocked.

I honestly don't really have a good third one, but I'd lean more towards Ulti or Kirby at this point in time.

But again, this is me being more inexperienced. I just don't see a world that Lea offers up herself & seems legit upset that Arti is killed AND goes after Isquen day 1 on. If other people give good reasoning I could be convinced.

Leafeon13N posted...

Hb my best answer to you is that you are bad at host meta. Deal with it.

##Vote: Red
ok you get to die now

Hbthebattle posted...

Stolen again.

But anyway, let's talk Red for a moment. I really cannot believe a claim that you were roleblocked, especially knowing that according to Kirby, isquen's backup was the redirector, a role I can't see coexisting with rb. I think it's time you tell us the full truth.

Who did you track btw?

red

Hbthebattle posted...

##Vote: Red
ok you get to die now

He does seem to be retreating into omgus when questioned. I wish he wouldn't.

Anyway red we are doing well and have a lot of confirms now I don't think there is any need for aggression or omgus tbh

Outside of Lea I agree with that tier list 100% minus Kirby who I think has to be town due to night action logic. If he is scum they always just redirect HB uselessly, kill death, and have him say he targeted someone else or something. Or they really overthought it and got their ninja godfather murdered.

Mzero it is an appropriate time for you to claim.

The problem with red btw hb is that I think I know what he is doing and while I disapprove of the play I don't think I can be convinced that scum red decided to just claim randomly with no pressure just for fun.

See my defense of red day 2 from plum

oh but red you should claim if you got up last night or not. Since town having less information than scum is obviously stupid.

Did we ever get a movement check on who you tried to target n3? I forget now