Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 10 - Return of the DAY

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Kirby321 posted...

Any thoughts on why scum forced me to target JC?

I mean this is clearly WIFOM territory, but I think the intent was for me to out other roles who might've visited JC. So perhaps scum deliberately avoided targeting him in order to get ideas of how many other power roles there were besides the claimed ones. But, like, was JC actually on anyone's radar for night actions? It's so random. Perhaps they chose JC because he's scum and they couldn't target their own teammates, thus leading me to potentially reveal town power?

Idk, I guess I'm just annoyed that there's a scum power in the game that can pretty much make me useless until they die.

If that were the case all you'd probably do is end up confirming a scanner is in fact a scanner regardless of alignment. If they wanted to be clever they'd probably target me with a scanner and then redirect the scanner to me (Isquen?) but clearly that didn't happen. Simplest explanation imo is that they knew they weren't targetting me so you wouldn't get any information, acknowledging the WIFOM in that statement.

Isquen posted...

scanned on someone I already townread to suck up to

I like to think the best way to suck up to town is to find scum with your scan but that's just me

isquen please, this is getting sad at this point

Isquen, for a third-party Survivor, you put an awful lot of attention on yourself by claiming Miller as some bizarre "counter-claim" against Ulti's Mewtwo flavor. You also fake-claimed your flavor in a game with at least one Flavor Cop and doubled-down on Landorus Calrissian despite having a clear opportunity to claim your true flavor in case you got scanned.

Simply put, you're not playing like a Survivor. So I don't believe you.

Also youre expecting us to believe that the literal main villain of Star Wars, the Sith Lord, is 3rd party survivor and not on the DARK SIDE

Chaeix posted...

If that were the case all you'd probably do is end up confirming a scanner is in fact a scanner regardless of alignment. If they wanted to be clever they'd probably target me with a scanner and then redirect the scanner to me (Isquen?) but clearly that didn't happen. Simplest explanation imo is that they knew they weren't targetting me so you wouldn't get any information, acknowledging the WIFOM in that statement.

I like this answer. Makes sense to me. Guess there's nothing conclusive about your alignment that I can make from that redirection. Damn, now I feel useless.

I hope Isquen is the scum back-up or something like that and just utilized Ben's powers for that night. I want my powers back without any scum interference smh

Hbthebattle posted...

Also youre expecting us to believe that the literal main villain of Star Wars, the Sith Lord, is 3rd party survivor and not on the DARK SIDE

Yes. I'm saying that. Somehow, Palpatine is a survivor.

yeah ok you don't know who Sheev Palpatine is but you simultaneously know enough to reference a popular meme involving him

It turns out researching your own bad-looking role - and your fakeclaim - leads you down some dark pathways.

Isquen posted...

I also had claimed Miller because I saw Red do it in prior game and nobody batted an eye after the initial outrage

I was actually Miller (Miller Tracker, to be more specific) in that game.

Isquen posted...

Today sucks. If you want to "strike me down with all of your hatred," go right ahead. I've still got an even-night flavor cop ready if you allow me to live, and I'll cooperate.

Lol no.

I'm still salty about the game with two millers where I got mislynched day 1 because Ulti "countered" me

##vote: Red
Spotted your SK, by the way.

Isquen posted...

##vote: Red
Spotted your SK, by the way.

I am curious what you mean by this statement.

Oh he left how boring.

everyone left how boring.

I have been getting more sleep lately. This pleases me.

After sleeping the more I think about it the more red and Lea being right next to the pokedex is fucking with me. It feels like the host trap (which we know now han laid at least one) is glaring. Mocking us.

I will get on my computer later and iso isquen's days for stuff. I think I took this in the wrong direction though day 3.

Hb when you have a chance with the benefit of hindsight and knowing isquen is scum does your opinion change in relation to topic 2 post 132

Sheep007 posted...
I'm willing to admit I might well be wrong about Plum. I still don't feel great about him, but he's definitely not being lynched today, and I'd rather my vote not be wasted.

##Unvote

I like the little Corrik meltdown after some needling from IGCD. Makes me feel good about both of them, probably more so Corrik. It feels like a strange rant to go on as scum, even for Corrik, although I can imagine it in fear of a Town Chris. I don't have Han to lean on for my solid IGCD read this game, but he seems to have done several IGCD things overnight. While I normally feel those as null, these particular shenanigans are giving me a gut Town feeling, though I can't place why. Gonna stick them both as slight town leans for now, cause hell if I'm ever gonna figure out their alignments D1.

I feel good about Chris early in a game, for once? It's disturbing me slightly. Just about everything he's done in this topic has been pro-town, and his lines of questioning are getting answers without the potentially pro-scum claim-forcing which often makes me wary. But I am now paranoid that we've got a Scum Chris who just wants to grab the game by the neck early and thrash us. I've resolved to pray it is indeed Town Chris and re-evaluate tomorrow.

Something that also particularly caught my eye while catching up was the Isquen/Lea/HB interaction. I like Lea's point in a vacuum well enough. Isquen having no thought process at all behind half the reads kinda sucks, and I'm puzzled as to why a few players such as Scare, JC, MZero and SBell are entirely absent from the list, but a large chunk of others are shoved on there with no reasoning before or after. Hell, even why some are put in the inactive pile and others are ignored. Abacus sticks out there as a weird one, possibly because I'd expect Isquen to remember those he's actually played with more.

I do, however, also like HB's criticism of Lea a bit more than hers of Isquen. Even more Town points for HB. I did a little bit of wall on the whole thing myself, before realising that HB was just making the same point from a different angle upon a bleary reread of page 4. What I caught onto initially was that she voted Isquen but not Kirby - her explanation was satisfactory, but the particular Isquen vote feels off, even if I agree his post sucked.

Also, I'm a bit weirded out that I haven't remembered an SBell post yet all game. I can understand why he was missing from Isquen's list. I might want a talk with him before deadline, although I'm not thinking it's alignment indicative as of now given I've noticed him well enough as both Town and Scum in the past.

SBell, what're your thoughts on Lea, Kirby and Sultan?

I feel stupid when I read this post with the benefit of knowing isquen is scum. He did a good job of making isquen disappear from this discussion. He thinks isquen's wall sucks but hb had valid points to vote the person who also thinks the wall sucks is super odd. Does he have a triplet of two scum here and dog them both to buddy up to hb? Seems low ev

Does Sheep directly point out the abacus thing if they are scum buddies? Feels far fetched.

Chris, does ulti scum stock have a banner day if Isquen actually flips 3rd party?

You know what? Sure. If isquen is 3rd party ulti as scum stonks go up.

Anyway something to note is both abacus and jc questioned the sheep lynch topic 3 page 1. For abacus this is actually alarming because he said he was going to follow me early day one but didn't even though I was voting two scum most of the day.

Abacus you paid lip service to me early day one but all you did when you had the chance is question my reads on scum. I am concerned.

Even if isquen is 3rd party it is better then a mislynch. But definitely looks like a grasping for starws

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Even if isquen is 3rd party it is better then a mislynch. But definitely looks like a grasping for starws

you mean grasping for star wars

DoomTheGyarados posted...

After sleeping the more I think about it the more red and Lea being right next to the pokedex is fucking with me. It feels like the host trap (which we know now han laid at least one) is glaring. Mocking us.

You could think except that the roles don't function together without Lea being scum.

red13n posted...

You could think except that the roles don't function together without Lea being scum.

Lea said if she is targeted for death she just dies. So they do

MZero posted...

you mean grasping for star wars

Mzero i love you lol

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lea said if she is targeted for death she just dies. So they do

This doesn't fulfill the mirror portion, which would happen first on my role if mirrored.

red13n posted...

This doesn't fulfill the mirror portion, which would happen first on my role if mirrored.

The issue is believing Lea but the interaction works.

You hide
She mirrors
You are targeted
It mirrors to her
Her mirror is nullified because she is the target of the kill and dies

I feel like the moment a kill is introduced to this the mirror is screwed as Lea said it. This resolving makes sense to me.

Now believing Lea or not is another matter.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I feel like the moment a kill is introduced to this the mirror is screwed as Lea said it. This resolving makes sense to me.

I think it makes less sense than the mirror simply not looping because the role is scum.

Yeah possibly but it isn't like a slam dunk. You yourself are a variant. Like what I am seeing day 1 doesn't seem like scum on scum interactions and I felt that way about arti too so I am disinclined to ignore myself again.

Like Lea still has scum equity but it feels like you are guessing at how the roles interact to say she is for sure scum. Which could be correct but doesn't feel concrete right after we got slapped for meta. Who do you think is scum beyond Lea and isquen?

Oh and I dont trust Isquen in the slightest because if I had the opportunity to draw a scum shot I was absolutely considering claiming Lando CalBliss(ey)n.

That screams star wars character that could give scum multiple outs.

Not that it matters much but I had that fakeclaim in my pocket and Isquen ruined my day claiming the star wars part of the flavor.

Dont think a survivor gets such an obvious doctor bait.

Not sure I would have ever gambled on lando not being in the game or safelisted, but I really wanted to.

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh and I dont trust Isquen in the slightest because if I had the opportunity to draw a scum shot I was absolutely considering claiming Lando CalBliss(ey)n.

That screams star wars character that could give scum multiple outs.

Not that it matters much but I had that fakeclaim in my pocket and Isquen ruined my day claiming the star wars part of the flavor.

Dont think a survivor gets such an obvious doctor bait.

Not sure I would have ever gambled on lando not being in the game or safelisted, but I really wanted to.

Obviously lol

The isquen part. The blissey part is amusing.

Oh and this was part of the reason, aside actually being busy/tired, i wasn't too concerned with with myself early. I feel like that fakeclaim would be good enough to absolutely scare everyone way the fuck off(and draw a shot).

Anyway. I'm venting because Isquen literally ruined my hopes and dreams with his initial claim.

Also the scumteam sucks because you likely had a doctor claim staring you in the face that no one would doubt and you didn't use it.

I think this game has been the scum team sucking with a brief interlude in town deciding they didn't want to play anymore.

Oh and before someone reads into that I had a day two typed into it but edited it out accidentally when rewording it. I know someone is going to be dumb enough to say i slipped and start some dumb discussion. Dont.

I was merely giddy with my foiled fakeclaim plot.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also the scumteam sucks because you likely had a doctor claim staring you in the face that no one would doubt and you didn't use it.

Are you saying we have no doc or are you saying they could have tried to expose said doc with a likely already dead to rites player.

Also I'm going to bed night everyone. I dont know if i expect the day to still be up when i wake up.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also I'm going to bed night everyone. I dont know if i expect the day to still be up when i wake up.

Rest easy.

Obellisk posted...

Are you saying we have no doc or are you saying they could have tried to expose said doc with a likely already dead to rites player.

B with a gamble of A?

I dont think i thought this out though.

Leafeon13N posted...

B with a gamble of A?

I dont think i thought this out though.

Any doc that hasn't been exposed by now certainly wouldn't have countered.

Fear leads to Votals
[4] Isquen: Hb, Sultan, MZero, Ulti
[1] Red: Isquen

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority. Day endsat 7pm eastern on Monday, roughly 33.5 hours from now.

Actually if we end day early deadline will be Wednesday.

And yes you caused me to hesitate a lot. Could be scum manipulation or just.. good town play. Punishing you for playing well feels wrong in my head at the moment.

Three scum left and it will be day six tomorrow and really the content from jc, mzero, Scare and abacus is just not to an acceptable level. Jc probably least guilty but yeah like almost 40% of our game will be at very low standards of activity unless someone does us a favor. Numbers say they can't all be scum so they to need contribute more.

Also red got his town read back by rambling about blissey. His tone reminds me a lot of plum from earlier. I just don't think he can fool my sense for that.

Abacus also fits the isquen model of 'newbie i let play the game for too long' so yeah going to need more from him. Would be nice if isquen is godfather so we can just welcome scare into being town with open arms and 0 paranoia. Still want more effort either way but he is the least concerning with sheep meta and a scan