Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 3 - Revenge of the Scum

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Playerlist

1. Ben
2. Chaeix (JC)
3. Changmas
4. Corrik
5. Death
6. Hbthebattle
7. IGCD
8. Isquen
9. Kirby
10. Lea
11. Arti (Lopen)
12. Masterplum
13. MZero
14. Red13n
15. SBell
16. Scare
17. Sheep
18. Sir Chris
19. Sultan
20. Ulti
21. ViolentAbacus

Votals upon completion of topic 2

He had such a knowledge of the votals that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying

[4] Sheep: Kirby, (Chris), (Ben), plum, Chris, Lea
[1] Corrik: (IGCD), Ben
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen: (Arti/Lopen), (Lea), MZero, (IGCD)
[1] Lea: Hb
[1] Ben: (Chris), Sultan
[1] No Lynch: Arti/Lopen
[0] Kirby: (Plum), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Plum: (Scare), (Sheep)
[0] Arti/Lopen: (Isquen), (Isquen), (IGCD)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)
[0] Ulti: (MZero)
[0] Sultan: (Isquen)

It take 11 votes to reach majority, or else the person with the most votes at end of day will be lynched.
Day ends Tuesday at 7pm Eastern, roughly 5 hours from now.

This is Board 8 we decide on the lynch 30 minutes before the day ends, duh

it's day 1. I'll select who to vote for once i've seen all of the trains emerge as we move toward the deadline

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Part of the reason I think 13 -15 player games are just better in general. The lower player count means everyone is accountable.

This game will get there.... if it lasts long enough and the players alive at the end aren't dregs

Anyway

##Unvote: No Lynch
##Vote: Ben

I wasn't too happy with his answers in the previous topic. Especially the last question I posed to him, where his response didn't seem to be coming from a town perspective at all. Combining his list that he gave to Chris, his votals so far today, and the answers he gave to my questions as well as Chris's questions make no sense to me at all. It makes me think of a scum player trying to make content but not keeping it consistent over his posts.

Arti posted...

Anyway

##Unvote: No Lynch
##Vote: Ben

I wasn't too happy with his answers in the previous topic. Especially the last question I posed to him, where his response didn't seem to be coming from a town perspective at all. Combining his list that he gave to Chris, his votals so far today, and the answers he gave to my questions as well as Chris's questions make no sense to me at all. It makes me think of a scum player trying to make content but not keeping it consistent over his posts.

This feels like scum finally hopping on

Since you say it is important for my vote to reflect at all times what I want for the end of the day - why did you have a vote for No Lynch?

And I'm gonna need to know what exactly on my list you think is wrong

And you say my votals so far today are a problem. Does this mean you think Sheep and Corrik are town or what?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben did you or Sheep claim?

Im willing to protect you here but I need an assist.

I didn't and I'd rather not. Is sheep even going to be back by end of the day? If not that's a problem

Sure, I can break this down for everyone.

PunishedBen posted...

Since you say it is important for my vote to reflect at all times what I want for the end of the day - why did you have a vote for No Lynch?

This is tradition from my opening post in every mafia game on GameFAQs, and you can check almost every past game I've played in to see it. Doesn't matter if I replace or start the game from the beginning.

PunishedBen posted...

And I'm gonna need to know what exactly on my list you think is wrong

Your list is this:

PunishedBen posted...

Chris
Chang
Sheep
IGCD
Plum
Scare
Mzero
Kirby
Sbell
HB
ViolentAbacus
Isquen
Death
Corrik
Red
Lea
Sultan
Lopen
Ulti
Chaeix

On that same page, you also tell Chris that Kirby is "pro town in terms of someone who's been giving a lot of reads and putting out a lot of juicy content. I would never lynch him today.", yet you have him well below many of the players in the list. I've already stated that I dislike your votals regarding Corrik in the last topic, as voting is one of the most important parts of being town and you aren't using it to its full potential.

PunishedBen posted...

And you say my votals so far today are a problem. Does this mean you think Sheep and Corrik are town or what?

Hardly. I don't like Corrik's posts this game either and I've noted that already! As for Sheep, I'm currently null on him - I might have to look back and get a more thorough read on him before the end of the day.

I dont think anyone has had a serious claim this game yet

No one has claimed yet. Chris even said he didn't want anyone to claim earlier

Ulti asked about claims that is why I state this. Arti I also like your takes so far.

Arti posted...

Sure, I can break this down for everyone.

This is tradition from my opening post in every mafia game on GameFAQs, and you can check almost every past game I've played in to see it. Doesn't matter if I replace or start the game from the beginning.

Your list is this:

On that same page, you also tell Chris that Kirby is "pro town in terms of someone who's been giving a lot of reads and putting out a lot of juicy content. I would never lynch him today.", yet you have him well below many of the players in the list. I've already stated that I dislike your votals regarding Corrik in the last topic, as voting is one of the most important parts of being town and you aren't using it to its full potential.

Hardly. I don't like Corrik's posts this game either and I've noted that already! As for Sheep, I'm currently null on him - I might have to look back and get a more thorough read on him before the end of the day.

My day 1 vote, before like the last hour of the day, I only ever use for pressure, reaction testing, and for supporting others. Sometimes I'm even doing one of those things in the last 5 minutes of day. So you admit you don't think Corrik is town but you wouldn't have joined IGCD there if you were in the game?

For kirby, he is on my town list. So he is in a tier at the top that I was referring to. Those people at the top of the list are pretty loosely organized, but I view them much differently from everyone below. I only put kirby at the bottom of that list because I was wrong on him last game so it was a sign of respect

Calling someone the least towny of your towns is a sign of respect?

htaeD posted...

Calling someone the least towny of your towns is a sign of respect?

Yes. I'm not as confident I know his meta as i am for everyone above him

PunishedBen posted...

Yes. I'm not as confident I know his meta as i am for everyone above him

I'm below kirby... now I'm offended.

I'm still not a tremendous fan of Hb, acknowledging that I have a limited argument there. Call it a flimsy argument, gut, or whatever you will, but the questioning of Lea and exchanges with Chris last topic didn't do anything to really assuage anything. Maybe it's that they're around and chiming in but I have no clue what their opinions are.

IGCD's persistence about building a Corrik wagon struck me as odd, as did his eagerness to jump off the train as soon as Chris put pressure on him. While I understand his reasoning that Corrik is being deliberately inactive and possibly detrimental to town, I don't really like using that reason as a justification for a lynch. It's almost like acknowledging a nulltell but voting him anyways.

I don't really get why everyone's labelled plum as town today. Something is pinging my gut about plum.

Ben kind of confuses me not because he has me at the bottom of his scum list, but because I'm at the bottom of his scum list and I don't think he has mentioned my name once leading up to that? To be honest this applies to the entirety of the bottom of the list. It feels thrown together. Throw me a bone Ben, or a vote, and explain why myself, Ulti, and (now) Arti are at the bottom of your list. Also, with Lopen being replaced by Arti has that moved Arti anywhere around the list?

Is there any reasoning behind the Sheep votes other than the potential inconsistency surrounding his claim-don't-claim thoughts? I haven't seen anything that rubs me the wrong way in his posts and I don't really like Lea jumping in with a meme vote, if it is in fact a meme vote. Lea what are your actual thoughts on Sheep?

PunishedBen posted...

My day 1 vote, before like the last hour of the day, I only ever use for pressure, reaction testing, and for supporting others. Sometimes I'm even doing one of those things in the last 5 minutes of day. So you admit you don't think Corrik is town but you wouldn't have joined IGCD there if you were in the game?

Good! So why aren't you doing any of those things you just said?

I'm not sure how to answer your question here because I didn't actually say the second part of that question. Not sure how you read my post and came up with that

Plums kinda gone under my radar
What did he even do today I mean

htaeD posted...

Plums kinda gone under my radar
What did he even do today I mean

He was around early and iirc put some pressure on Kirby (and allegedly Isquen according to Hb) and since then has effectively said 'i had the same read as chris, ##sheep' and then posted beauty and the beast lyrics which Lea jumped onto.

Broke my back

The plummon

Oh but wait, for real?

Just happened to refresh after this work meeting!

htaeD posted...

Oh but wait, for real?

Slipped a disc. Been in agony for 24 hours now. I feel like it's getting better so I should be fine but I was worried I was going to have to replace out for a bit there

I've had a bunch of irl stuff pop up, apologies for my prolonged absence. Thoughts on the latter half of topic 2 incoming.

I'm a little paranoid about Ben saying I have him right. It feels like he's buddying up to me cause he knows we look like two of the better votes and I'm very hesitant to vote someone I think is Town even when it's my head on the line. Like, I know myself I've not played well this game, and I find it odd that I'm that high up Ben's Townlist. Also, Death being scummier than average is... something, as well as Sultan. Not a great look.

SBell feels pretty confident this game and I like it. Much more reminiscent of the end of last game when he stopped being targeted by Scum, so I'm leaning towards him being Town.

Death's analysis keeps being excellent and if he's scum I'm beyond impressed by the improvement. Under no circumstances kill him. Ever.

Lea's vote on me is shite. I don't even remember her expressing an opinion on me, frankly, and I'm still irritated after her absence of any content in topic one.

Chris' lynch list involving Scare? Not a huge fan of that, considering I feel like he should be able to read Scare well enough, but there we are. If we're picking from his choices, Ben is always the correct one, but I'm usually hesitant to let Chris dictate the lynch to such an extent because I know he's good enough as Scum to control a whole game. That said... I honestly do think Chris is Town. This is, in his own words, Chris trying to bring his Mafia Champs game. I've not been as responsive as he wants so better to kill me than have my uncertainty floating around - he says himself he doesn't really give a shit about killing unproductive town for info, and I'm fairly sure he thinks Ben is more likely scum. That said, he's noticed that I'm underperforming, which is a more than fair statement. My scum-radar has barely been firing on anyone, he's tried to kick my arse into gear all game, but decided it wasn't happening. I can't blame him, but I'm gonna prove that wrong. Fuck it. Trusting Chris, we're catching scum today.

##Vote: Ben

Cassian Andor, Tracker, at your service.

Oh geez, well uhm you are excused then if you ask me

For the record that's not a scum list >_> I am much better at town reading people. Especially day 1. If you're at the bottom it just means I have gotten very little from you in terms of things that convince me you should live today.

Not used to playing with so many people not used to how I play. I'm probably going to die today aren't I.

I don't buy it at all, but not sure I want to lynch a tracker claim

Also super convenient Sheep wants to lynch the only other person in consideration

Also yeah not gonna condone a sheep lynch now obviously

I like how sheep says he's trusting Chris and then claims, something Chris said explicitly not to do even if you were power

masterplum posted...

I don't buy it at all, but not sure I want to lynch a tracker claim

Also super convenient Sheep wants to lynch the only other person in consideration

Hey, I'm perfectly willing to put other people in consideration! Who else're you thinking, Plum?

htaeD posted...

Also yeah not gonna condone a sheep lynch now obviously

Death your acting a little weird. You were considering sheep before? Seems like if you were suspecting me you wouldn't be suspecting sheep

Hbthebattle posted...

I like how sheep says he's trusting Chris and then claims, something Chris said explicitly not to do even if you were power

What can I say, I value my life more than Chris does, clearly.

You really didn't need to claim that sheep. I would have saved you ):

I feel like Chris asked me to speak for him, and I think Chris would say to still kill Sheep.

Uh,

Plum isn't sure he agrees with this but he has a job

masterplum posted...

Death your acting a little weird. You were considering sheep before? Seems like if you were suspecting me you wouldn't be suspecting sheep

I didnt mean to say I was condoning a Sheep lynch before then... Just that I wont condone it anymore now.

I may have phrased that a bit oddly

I did lean town slightly on Sheep... I dont know why you being scum would make him town tho

Sheep007 posted...

SBell feels pretty confident this game and I like it. Much more reminiscent of the end of last game when he stopped being targeted by Scum, so I'm leaning towards him being Town.

only thing I'm confident about is that I'm not getting lynched today frankly. Yes I have some good town reads but I'd honestly feel better if some of you would try to effing lynch me... I almost feel like scum is afraid to get into that tussle seeing how it did NOT work out for them last game.

also, I hate you for claiming (but I'll get over it)

masterplum posted...

I feel like Chris asked me to speak for him, and I think Chris would say to still kill Sheep.

Uh,

Plum isn't sure he agrees with this but he has a job

This better be a joke Plum

htaeD posted...

This better be a joke Plum

All good humor is grounded in reality

That was remarkably little pressure for a claim and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

htaeD posted...

This better be a joke Plum

Why would it be a joke if Plum thinks the claim is fake?

Because its bad motivation

Chaeix posted...

Is there any reasoning behind the Sheep votes other than the potential inconsistency surrounding his claim-don't-claim thoughts?

That's what I am wondering. After reading the topic it seemed Chris had just asked about the inconsistency, and then went on a tirade against them. I would really like to know, just so that I learn what other people look for. Especially since Ulti is doing the same thing above, after Chris's whole "don't claim" thing (which I'm skeptical about).

Right now I'm heavily suspect of Lea, but that's based on most of the same stuff HB has said. She has attacked anyone who appeared to be an easy target/vulnerable for giving their opinions on the game - for altering reasons (except for one person). Not only that, but from what I can tell, hasn't really done anything except complain how others are playing the game. Which is fine, but just as useless (in my eyes). Like HB said it seems more to stop people from thinking.

My second reason for Lea is very flimsy since she admitted it was a fake claim (I believe), but I feel like she did the fake princess claim to get people scared to throw votes on her just for the "it may be true" aspect.

I'm also suspect of Plum, but that's mainly for being in association of Lea (everytime I see Plum do something, Lea appears & supports them).

Ben, I'm iffy about. The one game I remember with him, I feel as though he was much more focused as scum so I could believe he's town.

Oh, Sheep claimed.

Chaeix posted...

That was remarkably little pressure for a claim and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Yeah, I would think an actual town power would be more hesitant to claim.