Current Events > TEEP plays DANGANRONPA 2: Goodbye Dis Bear *progressive spoilers*

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THEY'RE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER

THE ELEVATOR MOVES UP/DOWN AND 180 DEGREES

(caps)

Oh shit!

:O

Hangman's Gambit for 'elevator'? Really, game?

When you think about it, an elevator is like an industrial seesaw so it makes sense.

That one jump in the time discrepancy logic dive is ass

I liked Gundam. I'm glad he got a good, dignified death.

I fail to see the parallels between Makoto and Nagito, though. Makoto was hopeful, but Nagito is a fetishist. But I guess through Monokuma's twisted viewpoint, they're similar enough. I think Nagito is a good guy overall, but more of an anti-hero than a proper hero. Makoto was pure hero through and through

but yeah, the "aha" moment with the two buildings was amazing and probably my favourite bit of the game so far

chapter 4 was weird in that I somehow predicted the culprit even before the murder happened

there was that one extremely detailed scene about him getting his hamsters to press elevator buttons for him (or something like that) and I just immediately knew this would be a core part of how the killing would happen and thus he had to be the killer

kirbymuncher posted...

there was that one extremely detailed scene about him getting his hamsters to press elevator buttons for him (or something like that) and I just immediately knew this would be a core part of how the killing would happen and thus he had to be the killer

I feel like there's been moments like that for all the cases so far, you just only pick up on them in hindsight

yeah I dunno why exactly it just clicked for me that time but it was the most obvious signpost ever. just way too much of a small joke thing to dedicate that much screentime to (advanced meta-reasoning)

teep_ posted...

but yeah, the "aha" moment with the two buildings was amazing and probably my favourite bit of the game so far

That's practically the only reason I kind of want to replay the game: to see the foreshadowing. Obviously it has dankery like Nagito getting to see it early, but there are several points prior to it where the game does a more standard "Hey, this is actually impossible with your current theories" moments that slip by you when you're playing through it the first time and getting to see them while going through it yourself, as opposed to reading about them online, is a lot more fun.

kirbymuncher posted...

yeah I dunno why exactly it just clicked for me that time but it was the most obvious signpost ever. just way too much of a small joke thing to dedicate that much screentime to (advanced meta-reasoning)

It's something that happens every once in a while with mystery games. One of the things that will kind of ruin a lot of games that let you have time before the murder happened within the given chapter (so something like the Sherlock Holmes games doesn't apply) is if you tally "super special awesome" talents that you find out about within the case. For Danganronpa it is a bit obvious what I mean, but for other games it can be something like "Hey, this person can flip coins in a crazy way" and that will be something that you never knew about the character as a relevant factor. A *large* chunk of the time if that person survives they will either be the red herring or the murderer.

Hajime: "A shape with eight sides... *HANGMAN'S GAMBIT* ...that's called an 'octagon', right?"
Nagito: "Impressive! I didn't expect you to know that!"

In the first game when Mondo and Taka's bro moment actually became plot relevant my heart did kind of sink a little because I just thought "oh so we can't have nice things, it's all setting up the next murder"

The series does get better at that but it still falls in the hole quite a bit.

TMOG posted...

Hajime: "A shape with eight sides... *HANGMAN'S GAMBIT* ...that's called an 'octagon', right?"
Nagito: "Impressive! I didn't expect you to know that!"

Lol, that is one of those jokes that gets much better if you're not Japanese.

TMOG posted...

Hajime: "A shape with eight sides... *HANGMAN'S GAMBIT* ...that's called an 'octagon', right?"
Nagito: "Impressive! I didn't expect you to know that!"

DR2s 11037 moment

DeadBankerDream posted...

The series does get better at that but it still falls in the hole quite a bit.

No fucking kidding. V3 tore me apart.

I've been told that V3 is the best of the Danganronpa games

v3 is very divisive

personally it's my favourite by a pretty large margin but it's also spawned sizeable internet rage mobs

kirbymuncher posted...

v3 is very divisive

That's also something I've been told :D

I like V3, but its my least favorite of the mainline games

The best one is actually Ultra Despair Girls

teep_ posted...

I've been told that V3 is the best of the Danganronpa games

Depends on who you talk to. After having beaten it and having some time to think on it...I think it's the best one, or at least ties extremely closely with 2. None of V3's chapters hit the personal low notes that 2 did for me. I also never had a dislike for any of V3's characters.

There were quite a few moments in V3 where I was so invested that I literally went "fuck this game" a few times. And I find that to be a good thing, lol.
Also I think it's the one game in the series that's heaviest with foreshadowing if you go back and replay it. Tons of stuff you won't pick up on until you know what happens later.

V3 is kind of weird in that I think the game is my favourite (of the main series) but I don't think any of the chapter stories are particularly good. The cases are all fairly low tier to me, without mostly being particularly bad. But the character interactions and how it pulls it together into a whole just carries the whole thing to the top.

Definitely agree on the characters, that's a HUGE part of why I like V3 so much.

Anyway, dis is a DR2 playthrough topic, I don't wanna discuss V3 too much on it, lol.

Yeah, please no spoilers for V3. I'm definitely excited to play it and I'll make a topic for it when I do, so we can discuss it there!

Also, I was thinking about this and there's two things that, right now, I feel 1 did better than 2: Junko and the executions. Other than those, 2 is better than 1 in every way (so far)

Nagito gets shit DONE

(even if it involves mild terrorism)

teep_ posted...

Nagito gets shit DONE

(even if it involves mild terrorism)

I was wondering how you were gonna react once stuff like this started hitting the fan.

Also, no spoiler tag? :P

LinkFanatic posted...

Also, no spoiler tag? :P

The topic title mentions progressive spoilers. If I've played it, it ain't a spoiler. If you guys discuss something I've not experienced yet (and would be a spoiler) then please spoiler tag it

teep_ posted...

Nagito gets shit DONE

(even if it involves mild terrorism)

...or maybe it was a bluff...

HOLY SHIT I was not expecting Nagito to be a victim

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/9/AAcAeRAADPzh.jpg

Well, that explains why Byakuya gained a few pounds

The poison was used to fill the fire grenades. In that way, it's possible Nagito died of poisoning and not his wounds. That could make everyone the killer. Something like that is a ploy I can see Nagito pulling off. The gas mask and gloves along with the poison were in his room after all

The line of merch probably caused a domino effect that ignited the curtain. I'm not sure what's up with the bloodstain patterns. Maybe the wounds were self-inflicted and his hands were wrapped around the weapons, which is why they didnt get blood on them?

The music may have been there to disguise his voice, which doesn't necessarily fit in with the theory that this whole thing was self-inflicted. Similarly the fact that Nagito was moving his mouth under the tape 'desperately' and the lack of blood under the tape don't either...unless he taped his mouth first and then hurt himself in order to muffle his own cries of pain and avoid getting discovered. Come to think of it, that would explain the music as well. But there's the question of how he was able to tie himself up, unless he was skilled enough to do so with only one hand free (burned rope)

I can't currently explain the diary and the stabbed plushie, in particular how the plushie got blood on it. Those are just bizarre

Also, the events before the murder are likely to have been orchestrated by him. They have a flavour of "despair, followed by hope" that I can see him using

I'm curious to see how much of your deductions here will actually end up being correct. ;)

Fun stuff!

teep_ posted...

Also, the events before the murder are likely to have been orchestrated by him. They have a flavour of "despair, followed by hope" that I can see him using

Events before the murder?

DeadBankerDream posted...

Events before the murder?

the 'bomb that was not a bomb but actually fireworks' and the 'fire that wasn't put out by fire grenades but when all hope seemed lost was put out with the sprinkler system'

Oh.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Oh.

don't sound so disappointed in my deductions <_<

But... that's just things that happened, not deductions?

I feel like I'm missing something here >_>

Either way, sorry if I sounded mean.

DeadBankerDream posted...

But... that's just things that happened, not deductions?

teep_ posted...

The music may have been there to disguise his voice, which doesn't necessarily fit in with the theory that this whole thing was self-inflicted. Similarly the fact that Nagito was moving his mouth under the tape 'desperately' and the lack of blood under the tape don't either...unless he taped his mouth first and then hurt himself in order to muffle his own cries of pain and avoid getting discovered. Come to think of it, that would explain the music as well. But there's the question of how he was able to tie himself up, unless he was skilled enough to do so with only one hand free (burned rope)

Happy to help? :D

DeadBankerDream posted...

But... that's just things that happened, not deductions?

I feel like I'm missing something here >_>

Either way, sorry if I sounded mean.

Nah, it's okay, I was just teasing :p

I'm not sure if Nagito being behind the events "before" the killing was set in stone by the game itself or not, which is why I said what I did. For all I know, once I start the trial that will come into question

OK, the copping a feel discussion is pretty great

the sad music playing during Sonia's rebuttal is heart-breaking

teep_ posted...

the sad music playing during Sonia's rebuttal is heart-breaking

You know who else is heart-breaking?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/4/AADJc_AADP2Q.png

So I was gonna talk about how I was right about almost everything regarding that case and that how I think Chiaki may be a 'fake' lifeform alongside monokuma and monomi

and then the game glitched out. and now she's back

this happened at the beginning too

is hajime fake too?

so I get scared easily, and one thing i get scared of is when things glitch out in a jump scare-y manner

which this game is doing a loooot of right now <_<

e: is everyone else fake too? have I been playing a game where things don't matter because nothing's real?

Hajime keeps referencing that he's in a game when you look at the various objects in Hope's Peak

Makoto allegedly being a traitor is a shock. Though he does have a caring nature, so I can imagine he wants to rehabilitate them or something

It seems I'm about to start a trial