Current Events > I over analyze a plot "issue" in Dr. Strange MoM (SPOILER)

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-So her children she made with magic exist in another universe: how? She magically made them and they magically aged themselves too. So if they existed her age would not align with her alternate self.

-How do they exist? Biologically? Whos the father? Vision? Can he biologically have kids? If so she should act like she cares in the slightest about "White Vision".

-If not just go have kids normally.

-Other than that: she destroyed the Darkhold in ALL universes. Thats not even how multiverse works.

-But if thats what were going with then i dont understand the 3rd eye: hes either corrupt or not but if hes not the darkholds gone so hows it even still exist or help at all?

VandorLee posted...

So her children she made with magic exist in another universe: how? She magically made them and they magically aged themselves too. So if they existed her age would not align with her alternate self.

-How do thry exist? Biologically? Whos the father? Vision? Can he biologically have kids? If so she should act like she cares in the slightest about "White Vision".

-If not just go have kids normally.

There are an infinite amount of universes. One had the kids in it.

themasterpikmin posted...

There are an infinite amount of universes. One had the kids in it.

Ok now read my post.

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Right. I get shes corrupted but they already have a happy wanda mother. Shed literally have to kill her and take over. I get shes distressed and under evil influence but it didnt make sense and they needed America for both plot device and deus ex machina at the end.

Tbh she may have just asked America to be dropped off there and kind of live with other happy wanda but itd still be odd and where would the story even go from there....

VandorLee posted...

So her children she made with magic exist in another universe: how? She magically made them and they magically aged themselves too. So if they existed her age would not align with her alternate self.

She presumably created them based on visions/dreams of alternate universes. They aged themselves to match Wanda's awareness of the real versions.

VandorLee posted...

How do they exist? Biologically? Whos the father? Vision? Can he biologically have kids?

Who knows

Most Marvel plots make no sense when you stop to think about them. I've learned to ignore that instinct, for better or worse, lmao.

IMNOTRAGED posted...

She presumably created them based on visions/dreams of alternate universes. They aged themselves to match Wanda's awareness of the real versions.

Who knows

Her magically created and rapidly aged children just exist normally somewhere else. Lets just not explain this at all.

Yes they are biological there but we have to ignore explaining why theyre their same magically aged selves and not explain the father...

VandorLee posted...

Her magically created and rapidly aged children just exist normally somewhere else. Lets just not explain this at all.

In other universes, Wanda had kids normally. Earth-616 Wanda created her kids with magic.

VandorLee posted...

Her magically created and rapidly aged children just exist normally somewhere else. Lets just not explain this at all.

Yes they are biological there but we have to ignore explaining why theyre their same magically aged selves and not explain the father...

Magically created children in a magical zone called the Hex that she created in her grief. I assume it is either difficult to continue doing so, or doing so would cause people to notice her more. And getting to a world with the real versions would last longer I guess.

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The DarkHold thingy exists in every universe, so somebody should be, whether it's Wanda or not. I guess with a literally infinite amount of possibilities, there's literally only one person one time interested in possessing an alternate universe version of themselves. Man, multiverses sure are finite!

CableZL posted...

In other universes, Wanda had kids normally. Earth-616 Wanda created her kids with magic.

What came first?

And also:

Illuminati: "We have the darkhold, a book that literally talks about a super witch and you say shes upset, and has gotten the book to make her already infinity stone based powers much stronger? Lol fuck you cause our strange already used that book to defeat thanos and we had to kill him over that so us not taking your warnings seriously doesnt make sense"

VandorLee posted...

What came first?

There are an infinite number of other universes. Not sure it's possible to determine which one happened first.

CableZL posted...

There are an infinite number of other universes. Not sure it's possible to determine which one happened first.

How did wanda know to magically create the children before knowing they existed in another universe before having the darkhold?

Whos the damn father? Go fuck that guy!

You're not super familiar with how the multiverse works, are you?

VandorLee posted...

How did wanda know to magically create the children before knowing they existed in another universe before having the darkhold?

Whos the damn father? Go f*** that guy!

Vision is the father, but in Earth-616, Vision died before they had kids. She magically created Vision and then got pregnant with the magically-created Vision.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

You're not super familiar with how the multiverse works, are you?

Youre not familiar with explaining it against what the plot presents. It also says Wanda can destroy something in all universes. It came straight from the directors ass.

I'm pretty sure the Multiverse was introduced so they could do whatever the fuck they want without anyone asking questions because nothing makes sense anymore

CableZL posted...

Vision is the father, but in Earth-616, Vision died before they had kids. She magically created Vision and then got pregnant with the magically-created Vision.

So shes magically preggers shooting out magic babies? And again, go fuck "white vision" then.

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

I'm pretty sure the Multiverse was introduced so they could do whatever the fuck they want without anyone asking questions because nothing makes sense anymore

Best answer so far....

VandorLee posted...

How did wanda know to magically create the children before knowing they existed in another universe before having the darkhold?

Whos the damn father? Go fuck that guy!

What if he's dead

RetsuZaiZen posted...

What if he's dead

White Vision

VandorLee posted...

So shes magically preggers shooting out magic babies? And again, go f*** "white vision" then.

In Earth-616, she didn't know white Vision existed until after she had her kids

Also, white Vision didn't care about Wanda at all until after he got into that battle of the minds with the magically-created Vision.

CableZL posted...

In Earth-616, she didn't know white Vision existed until after she had her kids

But theyre magic kids. Go have real kids with White Vision.

VandorLee posted...

But theyre magic kids. Go have real kids with White Vision.

White Vision wouldn't have cared about Wanda at all if he hadn't met the magically-created Vision.

VandorLee posted...

But theyre magic kids. Go have real kids with White Vision.

I think the problem is, she wants THOSE kids. Any kids she had with White Vision would likely be different. Butterfly effect and all.

I was just wondering why Strange doesn't use the "everyone, everywhere in every verse forgets thing" spell on her kids. Maybe they have to be there?
But apparently according to my cousin who saw some Wandavision, using certain spells on her is hard.

The other was why she doesn't insta win against people like she did Mr Fantastic, but someone pointed out she only does real crazy stuff when given time to calm down, and concentrate, so that made sense at least.

So now there's a little less bad writing, still wondering why beginning Strange didn't just...float America over but i guess flying or floating just doesn't work in that dimension.
And America was just...not a great character in the movie anyway.

Like... there are literally hundreds of potential explanations. Keep in mind that she created her version of her children with magic, but that dreams are visions into alternate universes...

So she may have dreamt if her children before, and that would be what inspired her to create them as she did.

For all we know, alternate universe Vision was capable of actually having kids by some random multiverse probability shift.

Literally all potential combinations of existence are present in the multiverse.

Xavier_On_High posted...

I think the problem is, she wants THOSE kids. Any kids she had with White Vision would likely be different. Butterfly effect and all.

She never had those kids. Those kids are another wandas. They even beat this plot point to death until shes even like "Dur, oh wait, i AM a monster and my motivation doesnt make sense!"

VandorLee posted...

She never had those kids. Those kids are another wandas

She did have those kids

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Like... there are literally hundreds of potential explanations. Keep in mind that she created her version of her children with magic, but that dreams are visions into alternate universes...

So she may have dreamt if her children before, and that would be what inspired her to create them as she did.

For all we know, alternate universe Vision was capable of actually having kids by some random multiverse probability shift.

Literally all potential combinations of existence are present in the multiverse.

So we have to have "Im corrupted and upset so my logic all messed up" wanda.

Theres infinite universes, find one where wanda died after having those kids and take over.

Oh wait: we said that theyre in a single universe which doesnt make sense......

CableZL posted...

She did have those kids

Our wanda had magic kids. The real kids are in no way our wandas and she has no claim. She has to be a literal stupid villain for this to make any sense.

VandorLee posted...

She never had those kids. Those kids are another wandas. They even beat this plot point to death until shes even like "Dur, oh wait, i AM a monster and my motivation doesnt make sense!"

Yeah, she wants them because she's been twisted into a child snatching monster. Of course her motivation doesn't make sense.

VandorLee posted...

Our wanda had magic kids. The real kids are in no way our wandas and she has no claim. She has to be a literal stupid villain for this to make any sense.

Fiction doesn't have to strictly follow logic.

Hell, people are commonly illogical in real life.

There's nothing wrong with destroying every Dark Hold, spells that affect entire multiverse have been done.
As for why Strange still had third eye.

They said the Dark Hold takes a toll on you to use.
It can corrupt you like it did Wanda, but we literally don't know what the 3rd eye symbolizes other than...something like a toll.

Presumably destroying it did not remove whatever psychological aspects or mind opening perhaps that it did.
After all, destroying the copy Wanda has, which was her ONLY source of Dark Hold magic at the time, did not remove her mental corruption.

Xavier_On_High posted...

Yeah, she wants them because she's been twisted into a child snatching monster. Of course her motivation doesn't make sense.

So if shes dumb villain, the illuminati under-reacting to her but overreacting to strange makes little sense.

The infinity stone powered witch has an evil book making her stronger and crazy and shes upset and coming for the child im with. They have a Wanda so theyd know shes already strong....

But yet we have Carter whos going to throw her shield at her!

Tsuyoi3 posted...

There's nothing wrong with destroying every Dark Hold, spells that affect entire multiverse have been done.
As for why Strange still had third eye.

They said the Dark Hold takes a toll on you to use.
It can corrupt you like it did Wanda, but we literally don't know what the 3rd eye symbolizes other than...something like a toll.

Presumably destroying it did not remove whatever psychological aspects or mind opening perhaps that it did.
After all, destroying the copy Wanda has, which was her ONLY source of Dark Hold magic at the time, did not remove her mental corruption.

If we can alter all universes then the multiverse really has no purpose.

And they dont specify time in multiverses. Its it all points of time all the time?

VandorLee posted...

Our wanda had magic kids. The real kids are in no way our wandas and she has no claim. She has to be a literal stupid villain for this to make any sense.

It is an allegory for loss and sorrow. It has nothing to do with her actions being logical. The world was unfair to her, she knows that almost all the other versions of herself have kids and she does not.

How many times do you hear about people being spiteful and sorrowful about what they cannot have that others do? The film isn't about how tremendously smart a villain she is... it is about tremendous grief and how people respond to it.

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

she knows that almost all the other versions of herself have kids and she does not.

Ok: is it ONLY ONE or ALL OTHERS!?

VandorLee posted...

So if shes dumb villain, the illuminati under-reacting to her but overreacting to strange makes little sense.

The infinity stone powered witch has an evil book making her stronger and crazy and shes upset and coming for the child im with. They have a Wanda so theyd know shes already strong....

But yet we have Carter whos going to throw her shield at her!

I mean, I think you're expecting too much of a Marvel film tbh

VandorLee posted...

If we can alter all universes then the multiverse really has no purpose

What do you think the purpose of a multiverse even is?

Also yeah the illuminati was lolsworthy.
"We literally had our Strange surrender to us twice, and couldn't beat our own Thanos, but boy are we cocky!"
I can only assume they have been through their own accomplishments in their own movies that gave them an ego. It still makes them unemderestimating Wanda dumb.

Xavier_On_High posted...

I mean, I think you're expecting too much of a Marvel film tbh

Ill allow this point.....

Tsuyoi3 posted...

What do you think the purpose of a multiverse even is?

Infinite movies and to freely kill whomever or have another variant of them live on to use the same character and actor in more movies.

VandorLee posted...

Ok: is it ONLY ONE or ALL OTHERS!?

In a infinite number of universes, there are an infinite number of Wandas, and thus an infinite number of her children. So it's not every universe, and they still exist infinitely.

One thing that bothered me is Evil Strange saying "Prove it" and our Strange mentioning the death of his sister. That's something that could have been very unique to our Strange. It's a different universe, so I would expect things to not play out exactly the same in the beginning (although I know technically it's possible). But the odds of him meeting another Strange with everything being the same up to that moment are extremely low.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

In a infinite number of universes, there are an infinite number of Wandas, and thus an infinite number of her children. So it's not every universe, and they still exist infinitely.

So theres an infinite number of universes that wanda had the children but died afterwards that she could take over in.....

VandorLee posted...

Ok: is it ONLY ONE or ALL OTHERS!?

She says that all other versions of herself have kids, though I would believe she is not able to see literally every single universe if it is an infinite multiverse. If I had to argue it, I would say she looked into thousands of multiverses and they all had a Wanda with kids so she made a leap. Again, sorrow and loss informs that