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apolloooo
05/10/22 7:39:12 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/4/AATCxZAADN3O.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/5/AATCxZAADN3P.jpg

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Antifar
05/10/22 7:44:53 AM
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Is this gamers, plural, or an unsourced screenshot?

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TheOnionKnight
05/10/22 7:48:03 AM
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lol the games industry is filled to the brim with queer developers. I say this as someone who works in the industry. LGBT people are literally producing the games and creating the culture in the first place.

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GiftedACIII
05/10/22 7:50:06 AM
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Antifar posted...
Is this gamers, plural, or an unsourced screenshot?


It's a joke. Game has been out for several years now. Capital G gamers usually don't play VNs and the ones that do will give VNs a pass.

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Illuminoius
05/10/22 7:50:09 AM
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people got hilariously mad about this line, blaming the localization for it, when it was already there in japanese

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CyricZ
05/10/22 7:52:32 AM
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Kinda old news as the game's been out for three years. Yes I know the sequel releases at the end of this month and I'm very hyped for it.

Still nice to know that Uchikoshi has no shame in being openly supportive.

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teep_
05/10/22 8:35:43 AM
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I finally bought the game during the recent steam sale. Though I'm not sure if I need to play ZTD before this

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myzz7
05/10/22 8:36:37 AM
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https://youtu.be/m7Oz6htJmcE

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apolloooo
05/10/22 8:42:55 AM
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teep_ posted...
I finally bought the game during the recent steam sale. Though I'm not sure if I need to play ZTD before this
You don't. It's a completely standalonr separate to zero escape as a whole.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 8:45:02 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
people got hilariously mad about this line, blaming the localization for it, when it was already there in japanese

That's false.
The original just states it as an opinion, it sounds natural there. Just because you hear "LBGT" in Japanese audio doesn't mean the meaning wasn't skewed.
The localization specifically makes it sound way more factual and obnoxious.

And let's face the facts. Being sensible or talented has literally nothing to do with your gender.

In the end the scene is fine though. Mizuki was forced to say it. She is sitting directly in front of and is literally feeling intimidated by a huge LBGT guy in this scene.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 8:52:23 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


i think there's even a detailed explanation page what LBGT is ingame

As far as I can remember, Uchikoshi (author) is very openminded.

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gunplagirl
05/10/22 8:52:43 AM
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GiftedACIII posted...
It's a joke. Game has been out for several years now. Capital G gamers usually don't play VNs and the ones that do will give VNs a pass.
Wait so they don't play them and if they do play them they don't play them? @GiftedACIII

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GiftedACIII
05/10/22 8:59:04 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Wait so they don't play them and if they do play them they don't play them? @GiftedACIII

As in they'll look the other way or ignore the messages. Pretty much how any right winger enjoys media whose messages are counter to their views.

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CyricZ
05/10/22 9:00:42 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
She is sitting directly in front of and is literally feeling intimidated by a huge LBGT guy in this scene.
Misgendering aside, this is quite a take on that scene.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:03:35 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Misgendering aside, this is quite a take on that scene.

The game literally displays that she is a little scared of the LBGT guy when you inspect him (or when you ask Mizuki?).

Also, misgendering? Who the fuck cares, it's a fictional character and he isn't so insecure that he'd care about something so insignificant

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CyricZ
05/10/22 9:07:50 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
Also, misgendering? Who the fuck cares, it's a fictional character
For someone who claims to know a lot about that scene, your callousness at this detail in particular is noted.

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gunplagirl
05/10/22 9:08:10 AM
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*looks at what I have that poster tagged as* christ, my tag wasn't extreme enough

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:14:22 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
*looks at what I have that poster tagged as* christ, my tag wasn't extreme enough

Not like anyone cares about your monologue. Feel free to ignore me, you are a random anonymous nobody on the internet and I have never seen your nickname before

CyricZ posted...
For someone who claims to know a lot about that scene, your callousness at this detail in particular is noted.

Probaby because your nitpicking doesn't matter in any way.

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GiftedACIII
05/10/22 9:16:23 AM
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I think we've got an exhibit A going on right here.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:19:56 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Mizuki is asked about LBGT in front of a huge LBGT guy and states her subjective, honest opinion about it.

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CyricZ
05/10/22 9:20:17 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
Probaby because your nitpicking doesn't matter in any way.
Apart from casting doubt on your credibility with regards the read of that scene, of course.

Mama and Mizuki develop a chummy relationship over the game. To take her words as a statement born of intimidation is not something I agree with.

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gunplagirl
05/10/22 9:21:34 AM
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GiftedACIII posted...
I think we've got an exhibit A going on right here.
We've got an entire case study going on

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:21:46 AM
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CyricZ posted...
To take her words as a statement born of intimidation is not something I agree with

At this point, pretty sure she wasn't chummy, but nervous/scared. As stated by the game.

No way she'd say bad things about LBGT right in his face.

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angeleyes94
05/10/22 9:24:41 AM
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Review is still positive on steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/948740/AI_The_Somnium_Files/

So just a few neckbeards then?

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:26:33 AM
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angeleyes94 posted...
Review is still positive on steam

Obviously.
The game is simply amazing, no reason to boycott it for such petty reasons.

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Number090684
05/10/22 9:26:36 AM
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TheOnionKnight posted...
lol the games industry is filled to the brim with queer developers. I say this as someone who works in the industry. LGBT people are literally producing the games and creating the culture in the first place.

I dunno, there are still lots of toxic, hateful / intolerant people out there who play games on the regular being comfortable with who they are despite this claim.
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JE19426
05/10/22 9:26:49 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
The original just states it as an opinion, it sounds natural there. Just because you hear "LBGT" in Japanese audio doesn't mean the meaning wasn't skewed.
The localization specifically makes it sound way more factual and obnoxious.

It looks like an opinion to me in this example, and fairly natural, but I haven't read the VN so maybe context changes that.
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CyricZ
05/10/22 9:29:27 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
At this point, pretty sure she wasn't chummy, but nervous/scared. As stated by the game.

I think you're forgetting when Mizuki says this dialogue. Pretty sure it isn't covered in her first visit to Marble.

No way she'd say bad things about LBGT right in his face.
Could I ask you to please stop misgendering the character? I know she's fictional, but it's rude.

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Doe
05/10/22 9:30:27 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
That's false.
The original just states it as an opinion, it sounds natural there. Just because you hear "LBGT" in Japanese audio doesn't mean the meaning wasn't skewed.
The localization specifically makes it sound way more factual and obnoxious.
LMAO, it's completely natural in English to assert what it is you believe. Keep coping.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:32:45 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Could I ask you to please stop misgendering the character? I know she's fictional, but it's rude.

Okay, time for you to post a picture of him specifically stating he would be female, or telling someone not to call him male.
Maybe I'll consider dealing with your insecurities then.

Doe posted...
LMAO, it's completely natural in English to assert what it is you believe

Stating opinions as facts may seem natural to you, but in fact they're just generalizations.

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Blue_Inigo
05/10/22 9:34:00 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
The game literally displays that she is a little scared of the LBGT guy when you inspect him (or when you ask Mizuki?).

Also, misgendering? Who the fuck cares, it's a fictional character and he isn't so insecure that he'd care about something so insignificant


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CyricZ
05/10/22 9:34:16 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
Okay, time for you to post a picture of him specifically stating he would be female, or telling someone not to call him male.
Her bio marks her as Gender Neutral and everyone refers to her with she/her pronouns.

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GiftedACIII
05/10/22 9:35:21 AM
#35:


angeleyes94 posted...
Review is still positive on steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/948740/AI_The_Somnium_Files/

So just a few neckbeards then?

I've never heard of this "controversy". Maybe I'm just not in the right places but I assume it's mainly in places like 4chan.

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Heartomaton
05/10/22 9:35:46 AM
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Ooooh, I smell me a lit fuse on a chud melty powder keg in this topic.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:37:29 AM
#37:


CyricZ posted...
Her bio marks her as Gender Neutral

oh so then you are bitching about me calling a gender neutral person a he, then you call him "she" yourself?
Would you kindly shove off

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gunplagirl
05/10/22 9:39:41 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
oh so then you are bitching about me calling a gender neutral person a he, then you call him "she" yourself?
Would you kindly shove off
Gender neutral people can go with just she/ her pronouns. As is the case with the character in question, I literally did a Google search and there's forum posts explaining it and it's how she's described in the wikia. She's gender neutral and uses she/ her pronouns.

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Nemu
05/10/22 9:42:09 AM
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As long as it's not a fanfic localization, I don't see why anyone should have an issue. Bad localizers inserting their fanfiction is the only thing that should be criticized if that's happening.
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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:44:52 AM
#41:


gunplagirl posted...
Gender neutral people can go with just she/ her pronouns
But then you don't identify as neutral and aren't using the neutral pronouns.

Go ahead and post the scene I asked for and I'll consider dealing with you. Or stop being obnoxious

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/22 9:44:59 AM
#42:


Nemu posted...
As long as it's not a fanfic localization, I don't see why anyone should have an issue. Bad localizers inserting their fanfiction is the only thing that should be criticized if that's happening.
I can't really think of any time this actually happened except for lunar silver star story PS1.


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AmericaTheBrave
05/10/22 9:45:05 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Gender neutral people can go with just she/ her pronouns. As is the case with the character in question, I literally did a Google search and there's forum posts explaining it and it's how she's described in the wikia. She's gender neutral and uses she/ her pronouns.

I don't get this.

If you're gender neutral and go by she/her then aren't you not gender neutral? You're going by a gender's pronouns.

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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 9:48:55 AM
#44:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I can't really think of any time this actually happened except for lunar silver star story PS1.

NISA and Bamco love changing dialogue a lot.
Pretty sure an upcoming or recent game pretty much got completelyrewritten, too. I remember seeing news posted on my Discord like last week.

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CyricZ
05/10/22 9:54:21 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
But then you don't identify as neutral and aren't using the neutral pronouns.

AmericaTheBrave posted...
I don't get this.

If you're gender neutral and go by she/her then aren't you not gender neutral? You're going by a gender's pronouns.

Where's that written?

People can go by whatever pronouns they wish. I know non-binary people who go by they/them and I know non-binary people who go by she/her.


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Noraneko_Vel
05/10/22 10:01:38 AM
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CyricZ posted...
People can go by whatever pronouns they wish

Oh so you're saying, it's okay for me to call the character in question a "he"? Sure!

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Heartomaton
05/10/22 10:04:35 AM
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*Woosh.*

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Doe
05/10/22 10:05:41 AM
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Very obvious trolling. You know what to do

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CyricZ
05/10/22 10:11:37 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
Oh so you're saying, it's okay for me to call the character in question a "he"? Sure!
Obviously it's semantic, given the character is fictional and can't correct you or get personally offended.

But like I said, it's rude to decide what pronouns you're going to use for someone, especially when it's known what pronouns they prefer you use for them.

The implication is that you wouldn't hesitate to misgender a real person if you felt so inclined.

For a slightly more extreme example, imagine if you were to call a fictional black person the n-word. What would you expect people to think of you if they knew this about you?

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