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Antifar 05/04/22 10:50:37 AM #1: |
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/health/transgender-children-identity.html Young children who transition to a new gender with social changes taking on new names, pronouns, haircuts and clothing are likely to continue identifying as that gender five years later, according to a report published on Wednesday, the first study of its kind. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 05/04/22 10:58:15 AM #2: |
Transphobes don't care about facts, they already made up their minds and refuse to change it for the better --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 05/04/22 10:58:51 AM #3: |
gunplagirl posted... Transphobes don't care about facts, they already made up their minds and refuse to change it for the better --- http://i.imgur.com/bDL1nzh.jpg | http://i.imgur.com/aWIZFAB.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 05/04/22 10:59:28 AM #5: |
gunplagirl posted... Transphobes don't care about facts, they already made up their minds and refuse to change it for the betterWith this said, thank you for posting the facts regardless TC. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FigureOfSpeech 05/04/22 11:02:06 AM #6: |
gunplagirl posted... Transphobes don't care about facts, they already made up their minds and refuse to change it for the better --- Always check timestamps... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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specialkid8 05/04/22 11:06:55 AM #7: |
Still not sure how I feel about young kids transitioning in any kind of way but it seems like they're all doing alright so far. Interested to see where this research goes in the future. --- https://i.imgur.com/AUXKMK4.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AldousIsDead 05/04/22 11:07:11 AM #8: |
And I wonder how many of those 2.5% were browbeaten into changing their minds by society. Or hell just beaten into it. We know how this song and dance goes. --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Brianfellow 05/04/22 11:11:14 AM #10: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Can't the same argument be made for the opposite? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 05/04/22 11:13:33 AM #11: |
Brianfellow posted... Can't the same argument be made for the opposite? No --- http://i.imgur.com/bDL1nzh.jpg | http://i.imgur.com/aWIZFAB.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 05/04/22 11:18:25 AM #12: |
This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. Thats really the group Im most concerned about these days, she said. This trans people are mostly autistic rhetoric needs to fuck off. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IShall_Run_Amok 05/04/22 11:20:31 AM #14: |
All transphobes are trash people, and should have their feelings hurt. --- I am quite the town freak, which satisfies. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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specialkid8 05/04/22 11:21:28 AM #15: |
spikethedevil posted... This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. Thats really the group Im most concerned about these days, she said. How is this rhetoric? --- https://i.imgur.com/AUXKMK4.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/04/22 11:59:19 AM #16: |
Bump --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 05/04/22 12:03:15 PM #17: |
But one did therefor none of them should be allowed to do things!!!!!!!!!! --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 05/04/22 12:04:04 PM #18: |
Brianfellow posted... Can't the same argument be made for the opposite? had to pull out the 25 karma alt for this one huh? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lww99 05/04/22 12:17:06 PM #19: |
Damn, I had no idea the percentage was that high. We had a family member, age 9, come out as trans last week. --- http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h239/nhottbarbwire/owningroad_zps2333f502.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Michael_Booth 05/04/22 5:15:00 PM #20: |
Five years is not nearly long enough, it's a start, a good start (especially with such high success rate), but not nearly enough time to base anything on (Especially MEDICAL PRACTICE, OR LEGISLATION), and it would be just repeating the tragedy of "As Nature Made Him: The Boy who was Raised as a Girl" to use this study as anything else, other than that: "a beginning of a study". Until another 20 years have passed, when the results of this study can be used in a more productive manner. The "As Nature Made Him: The Boy who was Raised as a Girl study" put us back years if not decades in medical practices, and understanding of the biology of gender, because the notion of "success" was rushed. It took over nine years to begin seeing the actual outcome (https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/david-reimer-and-john -money-gender-reassignment-controversy-johnjoan-case), and decades after that to see the true outcome, which unfortunately was not a happy outcome. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MegaManXYZ123 05/04/22 5:21:17 PM #21: |
A Dr Deborah Soh did more research that follows individuals to adulthood. 5 years isnt exactly meaningful --- Desktop: Ryzen 7 5800X / MSI RTX 3070 Ti - Laptop: Apple MBP 16" 2019 i7 AMD 5500M - Phone: Galaxy Fold 3 Phantom Green Now Playing: Elden Ring /// 462 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 05/04/22 5:27:04 PM #22: |
The goalposts move quickly. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KINDERFELD 05/04/22 5:33:27 PM #23: |
spikethedevil posted... This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. Thats really the group Im most concerned about these days, she said. You seriously need to learn how to process information properly. Reread what you've quoted, but this time, do so, slowly. The group being referred to are those with mental health concerns. Some of these concerns included autism and ADHD. --- POLITICS IS MY RELIGION ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 05/04/22 9:18:04 PM #24: |
ElatedVenusaur posted... The goalposts move quickly. They always do. It's so frustrating. You address one concern and five more appear from the air. --- http://i.imgur.com/bDL1nzh.jpg | http://i.imgur.com/aWIZFAB.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Medussa 05/04/22 11:00:37 PM #26: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] there's a term for this, but i can never remember it... where the derailers try to exhaust the discussion by relentlessly dragging the topic back to the beginning every time it comes up. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Hopes... deleted. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 05/04/22 11:05:32 PM #27: |
Republicans will say this is a illegitimate study. They only like studies approved by conservative media ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 05/04/22 11:35:29 PM #29: |
gunplagirl posted... Transphobes don't care about facts, they already made up their minds and refuse to change it for the better --- Crown of creation, creation of shame. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 05/05/22 12:44:44 PM #30: |
Huh weird, I wonder why this topic didnt get more attention, whats up with that --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dj1200 05/05/22 1:09:31 PM #31: |
spikethedevil posted... This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. Thats really the group Im most concerned about these days, she said. how is this rhetoric --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/05/22 8:53:39 PM #32: |
https://twitter.com/deportablediz/status/1522233639349719041 --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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specialkid8 05/05/22 8:57:49 PM #33: |
I would like to see more information on the parents. I doubt there's a lot of nutty parents out there saying "You're trans god damn it" but it would be interesting to see what their relationships are like across a wide sample. --- https://i.imgur.com/AUXKMK4.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordRazziel 05/05/22 9:09:35 PM #34: |
Antifar posted... https://twitter.com/deportablediz/status/1522233639349719041The fact the people look to Ben Shapiro to inform them on anything baffles me. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MabinogiFan 05/08/22 9:05:07 AM #37: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I just figured kids were naive and inexperienced in life so they couldn't know for sure until later in life. But the data says otherwise so I will concede. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Froggish 05/10/22 12:06:59 PM #40: |
spikethedevil posted... This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. Thats really the group Im most concerned about these days, she said.This is a fact. I have ADHD, and Id not at all be surprised if I was on the spectrum too. Most other trans people I know are on the spectrum, so while there may not be any direct correlation between autism and gender dysphoria, the statistics definitely seem to show some kind of overlap. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giblet_Enjoyer 05/11/22 4:54:21 AM #41: |
KINDERFELD posted... You seriously need to learn how to process information properly.Kinda defensive here, wtf. I don't think he's misreading it anyway, it seems she's saying that study group (or just the m -> f group, unclear) had a high rate of other mental conditions, but not that group in particular, which is an important distinction. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Perascamin 05/11/22 5:32:50 AM #42: |
AldousIsDead posted... And I wonder how many of those 2.5% were browbeaten into changing their minds by society. Or hell just beaten into it. We know how this song and dance goes.I think the odds of a trans child being "beaten into it" are extremely low as they would have needed parental consent to begin in the first place --- I've grown. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/11/22 5:43:51 AM #43: |
Perascamin posted... I think the odds of a trans child being "beaten into it" are extremely low as they would have needed parental consent to begin in the first placeI think he means social groups rather than parents --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 05/11/22 5:52:31 AM #44: |
Perascamin posted... I think the odds of a trans child being "beaten into it" are extremely low as they would have needed parental consent to begin in the first placeThe 2.5% are the ones who detransitioned or opted not to proceed with it at the 5+ years mark. They were saying that many of those 2.5% were probably abused into detransitioning out of fear or as a result of torment from society and family and so on. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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39_Miku 05/11/22 7:10:48 AM #45: |
uh, yeah, of course. That's how education works. You could teach a child murdering people from *insert country here* is okay and they'll completely believe it if their parents, school and tv say it's common sense. You could raise a child to be homosexual if all they see in their life are gay couples. And if you raise a male child as a girl, if the school (including students) protects and supports that belief, the child will be fine with it. I mean, why bother changing? You grew your life like that, no reason to leave your comfort zone into a new world. It's why education is so important. Your first 10-20 years define you. And no, the statistic is not evidence for anything at all, it doesn't tell you the parents were right or wrong. --- You're listening to Radio Happy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sQ11Ia_k6I ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/11/22 7:14:15 AM #46: |
Anime in sig --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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39_Miku 05/11/22 7:14:50 AM #47: |
Antifar posted... Anime in sig Nice escape. --- You're listening to Radio Happy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sQ11Ia_k6I ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 05/11/22 8:08:35 AM #48: |
Trans people are always going to exist, no matter how ostracized or criminalised they become. You don't see gay people being radicalized into being straight with all the heteronormative media they're exposed to since birth - they still end up being gay. No straight person was turned gay by Will and Grace, or an open and accepting family. This backlash, focusing on supportive parents gone wild by injecting and cutting their children with gender-altering procedures, plays on a greater moral panic of harm to children. No child is getting surgery to transition their gender. No child is getting testosterone or estrogen before they're an adult, or at 16 in the most extreme cases where they've already been identifying as trans for years and receiving counselling. No person would put themselves through this series of hoops if there wasn't something innately resonant about the transgender experience, and tightening those hoops isn't some way of ensuring checks and balances. There's already a mountain of checks and balances just to put the framework together for a transgender child to medically transition as an adult. This study might prove that to a handful of ignorant bystanders, but anyone who's been paying attention to this over a long enough period of time? They aren't suprised. Because this has been the story with so many transgender people who've talked about their experiences, how they've found out at a young age and either been closeted their entire lives or come out to supportive parents, or came out to abusive parents and who suffered a harder life for it. Not to say that's every trans person, but it is a significant enough subset of them that it is an observable pattern that you can see in your own research into transgender people and the trans experience. And that brings me to my main point, tying back into what I said about this being a greater moral panic about child abuse. Because tightening the hoops that a transgender person has to jump through to receive gender affirming care isn't a way to protect children from undue "woke" influence from abusive parents. It's abuse in itself. It is cruelty being leveraged against an other, with legal ramifications for both open-minded and loving parents and for the transgender individuals in question. And the cruelty is the point. Parents can be legally reprimanded for letting their AMAB children wear skirts at home. People can observe this and dob them into the police. Like countless supportive families over the years, those parents can take away the skirts and the dolls from their kids before they leave the house and send them to school in shorts, and yet they can face fines and child protective services because one of their neighbours clocked the kid as queer and saw them dressed in pink one time. And you can say that's ridiculous and hystrionic, but look at how women are being treated in the wake of their reproductive healthcare rights being stricken. Women are being reported to anonymous tip lines for miscarrying. A data collection company is selling period tracker information in the hopes that abnormal cycles can be pinned to pregnancy and miscarriage, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Right now, children who are trying to cope with a fundamental disconnect with their body are facing a future where their parents are going to be penalized for trying to help them. The purpose of that is to drive them as deep into the closet as possible in the hope that they'll be good, moral, upstanding cisgender citizens whose transness never manifested because the Good Guys nipped it in the bud. But studies like this, conducted by people who are focused on the physical and mental welfare of children who present an unorthodox suffering in the form of gender dysphoria, show that the worldview in which that happens will only hurt them more. The majority of harm to transgender people comes from bigotry and a lack of acceptance. Attempts by their parents to counteract those harms with their support? Punishable under the law. Where's the fucking logic in that? The people who do detransition - the smallest minority of a miniscule minority, of which an even smaller minority of those go on to become anti-trans activists. Most detransitions come about because of societal pressures, because people don't have the inner strength to live as themselves and go back into the closet because they're sick of feeling like the world hates them. And sometimes, those people retransition when they're in a more loving and supportive environment. All of this is known to people who've been following the trans experience for any reasonable amount of time. It's all out there. These talking points, these measures to force people into the closet, aren't new and they aren't clever. The measures being taken today aren't rooted in care or concern, it's ignorance leading to panic and bigotry with the intent to force any queerness into the deepest, darkest recesses of a person as it can be shoved. In conclusion. It's understandable that people would have reactionary takes on this viewpoint of 5 year olds being mutilated and fed drugs. It's simply not the case. As it stands, even before this increased criminalisation of trans-affirming care, a trans minor would be looking at puberty blockers at worst after years of counselling and a long, drawn out series of doctors and specialists before they ever got their hands on hormones or gender reassignment surgery. Studies like this that are concerned with the wellbeing of trans-identifying children are showing a disconnect between physical sex and mental gender not only from a young age, but they show it persisting over the course of years. This isn't a bunch of faux-progressive frauds bullying their children into being queer, the study concerns dysphoria and mental wellbeing over a long period of time - during which, trans identification tracks far more often than it doesn't. Every measure is being taken to ensure that children don't make irreversible, life-altering decisions about themselves that they might regret later. Studies like this exist for that very purpose. The question should be posed - for all this moral panic about the ones who regret it, who explored a non-conventional approach to gender and didn't like it, the ones supposedly being pushed into it by their overbearing woke shill parents, what about the ones who don't change their minds, and never end up changing them? Because that is a majority of trans people. And studies like this are showing the extent of that. Finally - if you want to feel some justified outrage over whatever platform transphobes are preaching today. Faux-woke family abusing their children: Devonte Hart, the black child photographed hugging a police officer with unimaginable fear on his face in the wake of the 2015 BLM protests. He, several of his siblings and multiple other PoC children were adopted by a couple of suburban moms. They'd shuttle them out to BLM protests and have them pass water to police officers, and use them for pro-police photo ops as a rebuttal against BLM members criticizing the police. The pair preached healthy vegan living, and had their kids pose with organic vegan food for their internet followers. In reality, the kids were fed on a diet of chicken nuggets and other processed food, and often so little of it that they were malnourished and underweight. The family lived in a large suburban range-style house - all seven children slept in one room with two loveseats and a piece of foam for a bed. All seven were killed after one of the parents loaded them into a car and drove into the ocean after she had been drinking. Several of the kids were found deceased, most of them were never found. Devonte was never found. --- People say friends don't destroy one another - what do they know about friends? Now Playing: Old-School Runescape, Paladins, Tetris 99 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 05/11/22 8:10:16 AM #49: |
Not surprising. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 05/11/22 8:14:25 AM #50: |
Irreversible surgery being performed on ignorant and non-consenting minors: intersex people have been going through corrective surgery for years. Whichever set of genitals look the most developed tend to get preferred, and the other set of genitals is surgically altered in the hopes of granting the child a normal life. Unfortunately, both male and female symptoms of puberty tend to manifest in intersex people. This also causes problems as internal and external sex organs begin to change, and the effects of that corrective surgery tend to lead to permanent health problems as intersex people grow older. A recent study has shown that intersex people who weren't operated on as babies tend to be a lot healthier, and there's a call in the intersex community to raise awareness of this and to end the practice of childhood genital surgery. Your empathy for children receiving inoperable surgery on their genitals and being left with regret and health problems for the rest of their lives would be much better aimed at the group of people who overwhelmingly suffer that fate - intersex people. --- People say friends don't destroy one another - what do they know about friends? Now Playing: Old-School Runescape, Paladins, Tetris 99 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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