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Zareth
04/22/22 5:41:19 PM
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Is that a billionaire would take his wife and son out to the theater without any armed bodyguards

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FrozenBananas
04/22/22 5:45:59 PM
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This is something Ive always had a problem with

let alone walking down crime alley, alone, at night.

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mooreandrew58
04/22/22 5:47:59 PM
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Uhh not all rich people have armed bodyguards.

What I find hard to believe is that nobody can figure out Bruce is Batman. How many 6 ft 2 jacked billionaires are in gotham?

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pionear
04/22/22 6:06:20 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Uhh not all rich people have armed bodyguards.

What I find hard to believe is that nobody can figure out Bruce is Batman. How many 6 ft 2 jacked billionaires are in gotham?

He wear suits most of the time so...plus Batman often looks taller and bigger with the suit and boots
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pionear
04/22/22 6:08:05 PM
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And was he (Thomas) really a Billionaire at the time? I know in different iterations, the Wanye's inherited some wealth from Martha's family too
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Blightzkrieg
04/22/22 6:08:39 PM
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IIRC Batman became richer as his comics developed. Originally he was just from an older, wealthy family in Gotham, but now he's morphed into Scrooge McDuck levels of wealth

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mooreandrew58
04/22/22 6:12:55 PM
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pionear posted...
He wear suits most of the time so...plus Batman often looks taller and bigger with the suit and boots

You'd still think Gordon would piece it together. He's got more face time with bats than most people.

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Entity13
04/22/22 6:34:24 PM
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FrozenBananas posted...
let alone walking down crime alley, alone, at night.

It wasn't always called "Crime Alley." Its proper name is Park Row.

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wolfy42
04/22/22 6:47:49 PM
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I mean, he does wear a suit that protects him most of the time, but he had to study tons of martial arts etc first to actually develop his skills, yet he still has a totally normal/pretty face and almost no wounds etc.

Also he pretty much exclusively uses stuff developed by Wayne Enterprises and even though he has a secret RND lab etc, nobody EVER leaks that all the stuff batman uses comes from Wayne Enterprises. Is batman secretly killing them after they make his crap?

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mooreandrew58
04/22/22 6:49:42 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
I mean, he does wear a suit that protects him most of the time, but he had to study tons of martial arts etc first to actually develop his skills, yet he still has a totally normal/pretty face and almost no wounds etc.

Also he pretty much exclusively uses stuff developed by Wayne Enterprises and even though he has a secret RND lab etc, nobody EVER leaks that all the stuff batman uses comes from Wayne Enterprises. Is batman secretly killing them after they make his crap?

Iirc there was a plot line once where Bruce came out and said he was funding batman but wasn't batman. I feel they shoulda stuck with that.

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Lokarin
04/22/22 6:53:05 PM
#11:


Zareth posted...
Is that a billionaire would take his wife and son out to the theater without any armed bodyguards

People used to go outside in the 80s... and yes, baby batman is from the 80s now

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wolfy42
04/22/22 7:08:59 PM
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Lokarin posted...
People used to go outside in the 80s... and yes, baby batman is from the 80s now


Sheeet, why isn't there a baby batman show, that would rock. Kinda like the ultimate universe.

Oh wait, I guess Gotham was kinda like that, but not......

No they need like a total BABY batman that like has bat diapers and stuff and solves baby crimes.

Who knocked down the blocks!!!

Who made baby jessica cry?!!!

It's a job for!! Baby BATMAN!!!

Edit: * I would have been a really cool dad*

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captpackrat
04/22/22 7:14:40 PM
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I've always wondered how he managed to make the Bat Cave. Even if it is just a natural cave, someone had to move all that stuff in there.

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ParanoidObsessive
04/22/22 7:42:12 PM
#14:


Zareth posted...
Is that a billionaire would take his wife and son out to the theater without any armed bodyguards

When the story was originally written, it would have taken place in the 1920s. Much more believable then - at that point the President barely had armed bodyguards. Which is probably why they kept getting shot every 20 years or so.

Yeah, the more you keep pushing the origin forward the more ridiculous it becomes (at this point Bruce would have seen his parents getting shot in like the early 2000s at the earliest), but that's a problem with comics in general. Like how Captain America's suspended animation went from being originally 18 years to winding up nearly 65 years for the movies (radically altering just how alienated he was by the changes that took place in his absence). Or how The Punisher originally fought in Vietnam, but by this point they either have to retcon it forward to Iraq/Afghanistan or just never mention exactly which conflict he was fighting in.

Or, you know, the Fantastic Four taking a rushed test flight in an unproven rocket ship with insufficient shielding because they needed to "beat the Pinko Commie Ruskies to space". Or for that matter, Reed going on the mission at all (you don't send your top scientist on a potentially dangerous test flight), or being stupid enough to bring his young girlfriend and her teen little brother just for the fuck of it.

Sort of completely changing the origin from the ground up (which people would absolutely complain about nonstop), there really isn't much of a solution for these sorts of things.



FrozenBananas posted...
let alone walking down crime alley, alone, at night.

The implication is usually that it wasn't called Crime Alley at the time. The shooting itself is part of what led people to call it that in the first place. Urban decay can turn previously safe neighborhoods into crime-infested hellholes (and gentrification can do the reverse). Though again, it depends on which version of the story you're reading/watching/playing/etc.

It's sort of like how Daredevil is from Hell's Kitchen. Real life Hell's Kitchen didn't turn to absolute shit until after the Civil War, and it's been gentrifying since the mid-1980s. So while setting Daredevil as a character there growing up in a tough Irish slum made sense in the early 1960s, it wouldn't really have made much sense in 1860, nor would it make sense now.

Same deal with Ben Grimm/The Thing in the gentrification sense - the part of NYC he's supposed to be from was a rough neighborhood in the early 20th century (when he would have grown up there), but it would make absolutely no sense for him to come from there now and still have the same sort of childhood. The Yancy Street Gang is based on the Bowery Boys films from the 40s - and a Ben Grimm in a modern retelling of the story would have grown up in the late 90s/early 00s, when a gang like that literally would not exist there.



mooreandrew58 posted...
How many 6 ft 2 jacked billionaires are in gotham?

It's comic books. That's probably more than 80% of the adult male population of the city.

Just like 90% of the women you meet are statuesque supermodels with huge tits.



mooreandrew58 posted...
Iirc there was a plot line once where Bruce came out and said he was funding batman but wasn't batman. I feel they shoulda stuck with that.

Nah - like most of the ideas Grant Morrison introduced, it was kind of stupid.

Realistically, the moment Bruce announces that he's been funding Batman for years, he instantly becomes legally culpable for everything Batman has ever done, and Bruce gets sued straight into poverty.

Sure, it makes more sense ("Of course a rich kid who watched his parents get killed by a criminal is going to be gung ho on supporting a vigilante crime fighter!"), and helps obscure the connections between the two (why suspect that Bruce is Batman if everyone already "knows" that Bruce just works with Batman?). But it doesn't really work once you think about it for more than a few seconds.

It's the same problem Tony Stark had in the comics hiding his identity as Iron Man - he actually had to create multiple false identities for his "bodyguard" over the years when he did something shady and the government wanted to arrest (or kill) Iron Man. If the government knew that it was Tony in the suit from the very beginning, he'd have been in jail for like 40+ years now. And he still has to fend off lawsuits from criminals and rival businessmen related to Iron Man's activities.

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GanonsSpirit
04/23/22 7:42:29 AM
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captpackrat posted...
I've always wondered how he managed to make the Bat Cave. Even if it is just a natural cave, someone had to move all that stuff in there.
He made Alfred do it.

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wolfy42
04/23/22 7:45:33 AM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
He made Alfred do it.

I always figured he just breaking bad/better call saul'd that shit and had workers flown in from germany etc, with blindfolds on who didn't speak English and then flew them back and they had know idea where they were, what they built etc.

Dude is rich, he coulda pulled it off easily.


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ParanoidObsessive
04/23/22 12:06:40 PM
#17:


wolfy42 posted...
I always figured he just breaking bad/better call saul'd that shit and had workers flown in from germany etc, with blindfolds on who didn't speak English and then flew them back and they had know idea where they were, what they built etc.

Dude is rich, he coulda pulled it off easily.

He's rich. He hired illegal Mexicans, and then had them all killed afterward.

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mooreandrew58
04/23/22 12:58:30 PM
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I assumer he did it himself. Just made it part of his work out

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The_tall_midget
04/23/22 5:27:48 PM
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Hey, remember that time Batman and Batgirl were on a roof and then Batman just decided that what he wanted to do the most in life was to impregnate one of his friend's daughter?

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wolfy42
04/23/22 5:59:54 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
Hey, remember that time Batman and Batgirl were on a roof and then Batman just decided that what he wanted to do the most in life was to impregnate one of his friend's daughter?


The killing Joke was freaking wacked *think that was the one*.

After that the joker rapes batgirl and paralizes her and puts her dad in bondage allowing his minions to have their way with him and I don't even know what happens after that cause I just gave up on it (my friend watched the rest though). I can't believe what I did see, and the crazy thing is I guess it's canoon and like in other shows (like Titans on HBO etc)......so crazy.

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demonfang178
04/23/22 6:12:52 PM
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Zareth posted...
Is that a billionaire would take his wife and son out to the theater without any armed bodyguards

Isn't Thomas Wayne a philanthropist and has faith in his fellow man or some crap? I think that gets changed in some versions, assuming it was truly a thing.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/23/22 11:53:53 PM
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In Arkham City where it shows the movie theater and the alley it makes no sense where they were going or why they took that way to get there.

The_tall_midget posted...
Hey, remember that time Batman and Batgirl
Remember that time Batman told a story about the time he reminisced about the time he made Robin kill and eat rats.

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Blightzkrieg
04/24/22 1:10:47 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Remember that time Batman told a story about the time he reminisced about the time he made Robin kill and eat rats.
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Krazy_Kirby
04/24/22 7:06:23 PM
#25:


pionear posted...


He wear suits most of the time so...plus Batman often looks taller and bigger with the suit and boots


yeah, but they have storylines where Batman and Bruce are both not around for awhile, and then both show up at the same time

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pedro45
04/24/22 7:14:24 PM
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I never understand how Bruce Wayne has the time to be batman. When's he sleep?

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wolfy42
04/24/22 7:20:33 PM
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pedro45 posted...
I never understand how Bruce Wayne has the time to be batman. When's he sleep?

Bitch is Rich, he sleeps during the day like a bat. How often you see him actually running around during daylight hours at least in the comics etc (in the original show they did alot during the day due to lighting probably).

Anyway if your a billionare you pretty much have all the free time you need, and it's even a theme in a few movies where he isn't watching over his company or doing the bruce wayne stuff much so it gets out of control etc.

The real question you gotta ask yourself is why nobody notices batman mainly shows up at night and over time all crime starts to happen durring the day. Batman ain't as scary in the light of day, so rob that bank at noon mf.

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Lokarin
04/24/22 7:57:07 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
Bitch is Rich, he sleeps during the day like a bat. How often you see him actually running around during daylight hours at least in the comics etc (in the original show they did alot during the day due to lighting probably).

Anyway if your a billionare you pretty much have all the free time you need, and it's even a theme in a few movies where he isn't watching over his company or doing the bruce wayne stuff much so it gets out of control etc.

The real question you gotta ask yourself is why nobody notices batman mainly shows up at night and over time all crime starts to happen durring the day. Batman ain't as scary in the light of day, so rob that bank at noon mf.

Ya know, Business-side Batman would be kinda interesting... early Bruce Wayne was an eccentric billionaire but modern Bruce Wayne... .... kinda exists?

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wolfy42
04/24/22 9:42:59 PM
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I think it was a live theater/play.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/24/22 10:04:51 PM
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In some cannons it was either an opera or a Zorro movie. But who takes a child to the opera?

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magemaximus
04/24/22 10:20:43 PM
#32:


Blightzkrieg posted...
IIRC Batman became richer as his comics developed. Originally he was just from an older, wealthy family in Gotham, but now he's morphed into Scrooge McDuck levels of wealth
I always thought he was the richest person on the planet or something like that.

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mooreandrew58
04/24/22 10:26:54 PM
#33:


magemaximus posted...
I always thought he was the richest person on the planet or something like that.

Wanna say Luthor was richer but I'm not positive

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ParanoidObsessive
04/24/22 10:43:07 PM
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pedro45 posted...
I never understand how Bruce Wayne has the time to be batman. When's he sleep?

He's supposedly trained himself to microsleep. He basically sleeps like a half hour here or an hour there whenever he has a lull.

It also helps that he has Alfred as a servant to handle basic stuff, can nap in the car as Bruce while his chauffeur drives him around, etc.

Also, people don't necessarily get suspicious if they seem him being tired during the day because he's got a rep as a party boy, so they just assume he was up partying hard the night before.



Kotenks posted...
We're getting to the point where it's absurd to that the Waynes would even go to a theater. Their own home theater room has to be better than any theater in Gotham.

Presumably when it gets to that point, the origin will just get retconned to them going to the stage show/opera instead. It's still technically a theater.

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Muscles
04/24/22 10:43:11 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Wanna say Luthor was richer but I'm not positive
I think it depends a lot on the story

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Lokarin
04/24/22 10:44:33 PM
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It'd be weird if Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne were unironically good friends.

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wolfy42
04/24/22 11:15:55 PM
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Alot of Lex's assets are hidden, illegal etc. While Bruce has alot of hidden stuff as batman etc, most of it still originated legally, and their total net worth (publically) is pretty close.

Both have created suits that could let them fight Superman, but Lex doesn't have the scruples that Bruce does, and uses his money in many ways that Bruce can't/won't.

So while they have around the same amount of net worth publicly (although that varies based on timeline etc), Lex would have alot more power from his technology and honestly would probably win vs Batman in direct conflicts in most cases because of a variety of reasons.

Heck lex could mostly win just by using his money to destroy Bruce Waynes resournces legally, giving him no option to go vigalante on him (if he knew/figured out who Batman was). Lex is smart enough you would imagine he could, although the fact he couldn't break through the amazing camafloge of Superman allows a good chance that he never would after all lol.

Still Lex has satalites etc that should easily be able to track the batmobile back to it's lair, which would instantly implicate Bruce, then could use heat sensors and other methods to identify bruce as batman (same heat signature height and general frame for instance). In addition using things like DNA from saliva in the air in a room Batman was in at some point would allow you to quickly reduce the amount of people that could be Batman, and then test others against it for proof.

Pretty much no way with the technology levels involved that Batman at least couldn't be Identified by Lex. Superman at least doesn't let on that he has an alternative identify and everyone knows he is from another planet, so might be no reason to search for a secret identity.

Batman on the other hand has expensire high tech gadgets that only the very wealthy could afford, based on his location and the fact there are very few with the resources to get such equipment in that area, it's almost obvious who Batman really is to anyone who is intelligent and has alot of resources.

So yeah, they may both have about the same wealth, but I would imagine that Lex always has known who Bruce/Batman is, and just never used it (unless he did and I missed that).

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mooreandrew58
04/24/22 11:43:10 PM
#38:


wolfy42 posted...
Alot of Lex's assets are hidden, illegal etc. While Bruce has alot of hidden stuff as batman etc, most of it still originated legally, and their total net worth (publically) is pretty close.

Both have created suits that could let them fight Superman, but Lex doesn't have the scruples that Bruce does, and uses his money in many ways that Bruce can't/won't.

So while they have around the same amount of net worth publicly (although that varies based on timeline etc), Lex would have alot more power from his technology and honestly would probably win vs Batman in direct conflicts in most cases because of a variety of reasons.

Heck lex could mostly win just by using his money to destroy Bruce Waynes resournces legally, giving him no option to go vigalante on him (if he knew/figured out who Batman was). Lex is smart enough you would imagine he could, although the fact he couldn't break through the amazing camafloge of Superman allows a good chance that he never would after all lol.

Still Lex has satalites etc that should easily be able to track the batmobile back to it's lair, which would instantly implicate Bruce, then could use heat sensors and other methods to identify bruce as batman (same heat signature height and general frame for instance). In addition using things like DNA from saliva in the air in a room Batman was in at some point would allow you to quickly reduce the amount of people that could be Batman, and then test others against it for proof.

Pretty much no way with the technology levels involved that Batman at least couldn't be Identified by Lex. Superman at least doesn't let on that he has an alternative identify and everyone knows he is from another planet, so might be no reason to search for a secret identity.

Batman on the other hand has expensire high tech gadgets that only the very wealthy could afford, based on his location and the fact there are very few with the resources to get such equipment in that area, it's almost obvious who Batman really is to anyone who is intelligent and has alot of resources.

So yeah, they may both have about the same wealth, but I would imagine that Lex always has known who Bruce/Batman is, and just never used it (unless he did and I missed that).

Lex's suit is way more advanced than batman which to me is evidence lex is richer. Things got a force field can fly missiles lasers I think. Batman iirc just had raw power and durability.

Talking about rich people and their toys. Why doesn't lex and batman develope more red solar energy weapons. Seems more realistic they do that than always being able to get hands on krpyonite

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LinkPizza
04/24/22 11:53:09 PM
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I havent read the whole thread. But I think Lex has that stuff because he has a whole science team, right?

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/25/22 12:12:10 AM
#40:


Lokarin posted...
It'd be weird if Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne were unironically good friends.
I thought Lex Luthor was Thomas Wayne's age.

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wolfy42
04/25/22 12:57:59 AM
#41:


SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I thought Lex Luthor was Thomas Wayne's age.


Plot twist.

Martha actually led Thomas into the alley with the plan of having him killed because she was secretly having an affair with another billionare and needed him out of the way, but it went wrong.

The other Billianare? Lex Luther!!

Worse? Bruce Wayne ends up being the biological son......of LEX!!!

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mooreandrew58
04/25/22 1:49:18 AM
#42:


LinkPizza posted...
I havent read the whole thread. But I think Lex has that stuff because he has a whole science team, right?

Pretty sure Wayne has one. Or at least the funds to have one. But he's really only got the funds it seems for slightly advanced military stuff. Lex has space age shit.

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LinkPizza
04/25/22 1:59:21 AM
#43:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Pretty sure Wayne has one. Or at least the funds to have one. But he's really only got the funds it seems for slightly advanced military stuff. Lex has space age shit.

He has Wayne industries. But I dont think they main science team is making weapons They are usually researching like cleaner fuel sources. Lexs team is like all about making weapons and shit Bruce does use some stuff to help with weapons. But I think he mostly makes his own stuff While Lex has a team to help him make stuff. Plus, the stuff Batman does use for weapons has to be a little different from his stuff from work. That way, everyone at Waynes Industries doesnt find out

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mooreandrew58
04/25/22 2:04:03 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
He has Wayne industries. But I dont think they main science team is making weapons They are usually researching like cleaner fuel sources. Lexs team is like all about making weapons and shit Bruce does use some stuff to help with weapons. But I think he mostly makes his own stuff While Lex has a team to help him make stuff. Plus, the stuff Batman does use for weapons has to be a little different from his stuff from work. That way, everyone at Waynes Industries doesnt find out

He uses stuff from work. And he could easily hire a science team if he doesn't have one. I assume he has one cause well... the watchtower exists

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LinkPizza
04/25/22 2:24:32 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
He uses stuff from work. And he could easily hire a science team if he doesn't have one. I assume he has one cause well... the watchtower exists

All thats known about the Watchtower is he financed it. He even says the shareholders only see it as a blip on the budget. As for who built it (them, since there has been three Watchtowers), thats a mystery. But that goes back to the original problem. The reason he can only use so many gadgets from Wayne Enterprises is because if he keeps using literally everything they make right after making it, they are going to know who he is. Batman has a ton of income. Maybe more than Lex He just spends most of it on Watchtowers and clean energy sources (which is what Wayne Enterprises is said to do) And maybe he doesnt want a ton of people knowing hes Batman.
Because if he keeps using stuff the team builds for him, they will find out Its amazing they havent found out about the watchtower yet, if Im being honest I think Batman has at least equal money to Lex. But Lex seems to use most of his income on his science team. Batman may have a science team. But probably puts less into it

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Yellow
04/25/22 4:15:49 AM
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The most unbelievable thing about Batman is every time they add some magic bullshit to it, just leave him as a realistic psycho, it's better that way.

Ivy, Superman, Clayface, Mr Freeze, worst Batman villains. Left out of the good movies for a reason. It's like adding real magic to sherlock holmes.

I like it when he deals with mob bosses and serial killers better.

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captpackrat
04/25/22 5:59:40 AM
#47:


Yellow posted...
The most unbelievable thing about Batman is every time they add some magic bullshit to it, just leave him as a realistic psycho, it's better that way.

Ivy, Superman, Clayface, Mr Freeze, worst Batman villains. Left out of the good movies for a reason. It's like adding real magic to sherlock holmes.

I like it when he deals with mob bosses and serial killers better.
That's how the original Batman was. I've read Batman: The Dailies, which was a collection of the daily newspaper strips from the 1940s. Nearly all the enemies are regular crooks, like gangsters and mob bosses. The only "super" villain he goes up against is the Joker and even that is only a single story near the end of the run.

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Yellow
04/25/22 5:36:54 PM
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captpackrat posted...
That's how the original Batman was. I've read Batman: The Dailies, which was a collection of the daily newspaper strips from the 1940s. Nearly all the enemies are regular crooks, like gangsters and mob bosses. The only "super" villain he goes up against is the Joker and even that is only a single story near the end of the run.
I like the Joker because it feels like he was inspired by Batman to put on a persona to give his life meaning, which means Batman was the start of the craziness in the first place, so it's telling a story about what would happen if a vigilante like Batman existed.

And that narrative goes out the window when magic plant sex lady comes in, someone who probably would have existed without Batman, so the narrative becomes "this is what would happen if we lived in a comic book".

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/25/22 7:47:16 PM
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Yellow posted...
I like the Joker because it feels like he was inspired by Batman to put on a persona to give his life meaning,
The Red Hood was a disguise used by various criminals. How it worked was if one person was suspected of being The Red Hood they would have an alibi for other crimes The Red Hood committed.

So of course it makes perfect sense that a nobody that was hired by other criminals to be The Red Hood for one night would turn out to be a criminal mastermind and brilliant chemist after his first heist went bad and he had mishap with a vat of chemicals.

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ParanoidObsessive
04/25/22 9:16:42 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
The Red Hood was a disguise used by various criminals. How it worked was if one person was suspected of being The Red Hood they would have an alibi for other crimes The Red Hood committed.

So of course it makes perfect sense that a nobody that was hired by other criminals to be The Red Hood for one night would turn out to be a criminal mastermind and brilliant chemist after his first heist went bad and he had mishap with a vat of chemicals.

...that's assuming that particular origin is actually real. In-universe, it mostly comes from the Joker himself, and it's straight up mentioned he could be completely lying.

It's why the Joker has said that if he has to have a past at all, he prefers it to be multiple choice. It's sort of what inspired the Heath Ledger version to tell the "Wanna know how I got these scars?" story in the movie with every time he told it being different. Essentially, if the Joker is telling you his origin, he's probably lying, and he's telling you whatever version of the story is most likely to manipulate you. Or whatever he thinks is funny this week.

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