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Scarecrow17
04/01/22 2:30:42 PM
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So, I'm taking a class called "Cell Biology Lab" and we had an exam on Monday. I studied for the exam, looked at the lecture slides and exam review, and so on. Mind you, this is the second exam in the class. On the first exam, I got a B. Anyways, I took this second exam and got a F. As I was taking the exam, I noticed there were a lot of questions about topics not on the exam review. Hell, I looked at the lecture slides after the exam to make sure and we never covered this information in class. It was quite literally new information not taught to us. We don't have a textbook for this class so everything on the exams is supposed to come from the lecture.

I was really upset about failing obviously. I come into class yesterday and find out everyone else either got a D or a F so it wasn't just me. Nobody even got a C. According to the teaching assistant, our professor saw that the class average for the first exam was a 80%. It's usually around 70%. He came to the conclusion that most of us cheated on the first exam and decided to put material we couldn't possibly know on the second exam to "stick it to us". Now, a lot of people are afraid that they aren't even going to pass especially since his finals are notoriously difficult.

The average for the first exam was probably high because a lot of us in the class, including myself, took "Molecular Biology Lab" last semester which is 10x harder than Cell Bio Lab. Therefore, the first exam was a review check for many of us since it covered mostly basic shit like how to use a light microscope. This is not how you solve a cheating problem if there even was one.

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Doe
04/01/22 2:32:34 PM
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maybe report it to someone higher up? It's ridiculous to put untaught material on an exam.

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Flockaveli
04/01/22 2:32:56 PM
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I'd slap the shit out him

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WingsOfGood
04/01/22 2:33:23 PM
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Might be attempt to see who cheated.

If this is material no one should know then people who got a D likely cheated.
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Touch
04/01/22 2:33:25 PM
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A teacher literally setting you up to fail. Fuck those people

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MC_BatCommander
04/01/22 2:33:34 PM
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Wow your professor sounds like a piece of shit, it's a shame people like that are in the teaching profession

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Scarecrow17
04/01/22 2:50:09 PM
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I'll try reporting him but I don't expect much to happen. There's an organic chemistry professor on campus who mocks students that can't answer his questions by telling them to drop out of school and go work at McDonald's. He's been reported numerous times over the years but nothing has happened to him. Seniors and graduate students have resorted to telling the freshmen and sophomores to not take him if they can help it.

My university has become really shitty over the past few years between the faculty strikes, budget cuts, and enrollment drop. It's honestly depressing.

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Robot2600
04/01/22 2:59:47 PM
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Ask for a meeting with him, explain calmly why this was unfair and that just because the class did well is no reason to assume the class was cheating. Have a suggestion: just don't count the last test, or curve the test since no one made a C. Make it the least amount of work for him (asking for a redo is asking him to do more work).

Anyway when that goes poorly, tell him you will contact the head of his department (Biology).

Then find out who is the head of his department, and send them an email asking for a meeting, saying you had a meeting with your professor and that the results were not okay. You'll probably get a meeting and can explain the situation to them. Dress nicely and be calm for your meetings.

If you teacher IS the head of the Biology department, then you should find the Dean in charge of that department. Don't get a Dean involved otherwise.

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PatrickMahomes
04/01/22 3:04:26 PM
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tenure is a mistake

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COVxy
04/01/22 3:05:20 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
tenure is a mistake

Naw.

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eston
04/01/22 3:06:07 PM
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This is the sort of thing you should go to the Dean about, and take other students with you. Don't bother talking to the teacher, if this is something affecting everyone in the class then you need to go over his head.

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thronedfire2
04/01/22 3:07:30 PM
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Report that shit. Youre paying them to teach you, not do whatever they want.

if the school does nothing, call local news. Theyd love the free story.

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Veggeta_MAX
04/01/22 3:08:36 PM
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It's like when your parents punish you and all your siblings when it was only one of your siblings that fuck up.

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COVxy
04/01/22 3:10:03 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Youre paying them to teach you, not do whatever they want.

Naw, you're paying the university to attend classes class, classes which professors have the freedom to structure however they want. You don't get to demand how a class is structured because you pay tuition.

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eston
04/01/22 3:10:44 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
It's like when your parents punish you and all your siblings when it was only one of your siblings that fuck up.
Seems even worse tbqh because this guy has no evidence anyone cheated

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thronedfire2
04/01/22 3:11:45 PM
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COVxy posted...
Naw, you're paying the university to attend classes class, classes which professors have the freedom to structure however they want. You don't get to demand how a class is structured because you pay tuition.

lmao fuck that

putting stuff that hasnt been taught on an exam because he thought people cheated on an earlier one isnt course structure, its just being a dick

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JuanCarlos1
04/01/22 3:16:08 PM
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If nothing works try social media shame.

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Damn_Underscore
04/01/22 3:16:27 PM
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COVxy posted...
Naw, you're paying the university to attend classes class, classes which professors have the freedom to structure however they want. You don't get to demand how a class is structured because you pay tuition.

There are probably a lot of people who believe this but dont you see the issue with this logic?

The point of a college degree is to show you are knowledgeable in a certain subject as certified by the school. This logic goes against that.


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COVxy
04/01/22 3:19:55 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
There are probably a lot of people who believe this but dont you see the issue with this logic?

The point of a college degree is to show you are knowledgeable in a certain subject as certified by the school. This logic goes against that.

Usually most policies that students rail against and state "i'm paying to be here" tend to be ones that attempt to enforce good habits in students. Like grading schemes that enforce attendance.

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Zeeak4444
04/01/22 3:20:45 PM
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COVxy posted...
Usually most policies that students rail against and state "i'm paying to be here" tend to be ones that attempt to enforce good habits in students. Like grading schemes that enforce attendance.

source?

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buddhamonster
04/01/22 3:29:25 PM
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COVxy posted...
Usually most policies that students rail against and state "i'm paying to be here" tend to be ones that attempt to enforce good habits in students. Like grading schemes that enforce attendance.
What about grading schemes meant to inflict pain on the students without actually teaching them anything? Care to explain what good habits this is instilling in the students?

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COVxy
04/01/22 3:33:56 PM
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buddhamonster posted...
What about grading schemes meant to inflict pain on the students without actually teaching them anything? Care to explain what good habits this is instilling in the students?

Not sure anyone has a full story here. I've been told I provided questions on exams that "were totally new material" just because the questions required students to think about the material rather than just regurgitate it.

I sincrely doubt the professor gave an entire exam of inappropriate material and will just leave the grades as is. Doesn't sound plausible to me, and if it sounds plausible to you, you might want to consider how you are viewing your professors.


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buddhamonster
04/01/22 3:42:13 PM
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COVxy posted...
Not sure anyone has a full story here. I've been told I provided questions on exams that "were totally new material" just because the questions required students to think about the material rather than just regurgitate it.

I sincrely doubt the professor gave an entire exam of inappropriate material and will just leave the grades as is. Doesn't sound plausible to me, and if it sounds plausible to you, you might want to consider how you are viewing your professors.

The story as the TC told it has the teachers assistant literally informing them this was a spite test intended to punish them. Unless TC is outright lying, this is quite literally not a case of a teacher just slipping a few tough thinkers on a test to see how the students can handle outside the box thinking. It was deliberately setting them up to fail as punishment for being too knowledgable on the previous test.

I mean, you can just say you think the story is bullshit if you think hes making it up, but if hes telling the truth, then the teacher isnt being clever or trying to teach the kids any sort of good habits. Hes just being a spiteful dick.


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COVxy
04/01/22 3:48:10 PM
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buddhamonster posted...
The story as the TC told it has the teachers assistant literally informing them this was a spite test intended to punish them

Yeah, that's bullshit lmao.

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dave_is_slick
04/01/22 4:29:53 PM
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COVxy posted...
Yeah, that's bullshit lmao.
Got proof?

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COVxy
04/01/22 4:49:39 PM
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I mean, it's just blatently silly.

In no universe composing humans, real life actual humans and not cartoons, does a professor get revenge on a class for beating the mean by 10 points by spending hours constructing a new test. The motive is fucking stupid and the idea that a professor would waste their time like that is ludicrous.

What's more likely the case is that the first exam was largely easy review material, which is deceptively easy in comparison to the rest of the course. Students got surprised by the difficulty of the real material, and a "i bet he made it really hard to get back at us for beating the mean on the first exam" spread its way through gullible students who view professors as adversaries for making them learn things.

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E_S_M_Z
04/01/22 4:54:35 PM
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Or the professor is just a jerk.

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David1988
04/01/22 4:59:37 PM
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git gud

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Zeeak4444
04/01/22 5:18:09 PM
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COVxy posted...
I mean, it's just blatently silly.

In no universe composing humans, real life actual humans and not cartoons, does a professor get revenge on a class for beating the mean by 10 points by spending hours constructing a new test. The motive is fucking stupid and the idea that a professor would waste their time like that is ludicrous.

What's more likely the case is that the first exam was largely easy review material, which is deceptively easy in comparison to the rest of the course. Students got surprised by the difficulty of the real material, and a "i bet he made it really hard to get back at us for beating the mean on the first exam" spread its way through gullible students who view professors as adversaries for making them learn things.

i had an argument with a professor cause she was teaching off the DSM 4 when 5 had been out for a few years. She didnt believe me and literally looked it up during class. Professors arent infallible tbh.

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Tom Clark
04/01/22 5:23:43 PM
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Touch posted...
A teacher literally setting you up to fail. Fuck those people


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dave_is_slick
04/01/22 5:23:57 PM
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COVxy posted...
In no universe composing humans, real life actual humans and not cartoons, does a professor get revenge on a class for beating the mean by 10 points by spending hours constructing a new test. The motive is f***ing stupid and the idea that a professor would waste their time like that is ludicrous.
You believe that? In a world where saturday morning villains do exist, you think this is unbelievable. Touch grass.

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Dakimakura
04/01/22 5:37:53 PM
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I wouldn't take other students word at face value including the teaching assistant. Most students are very prone to being lazy and blaming the instructor for their own failings. Looking for any excuse they can grasp on to.

If you believe it to be more than mere exaggeration then you should for sure report it. They have these systems in place for this very reason. First you should talk to the professor and work towards a solution with them. Not only is that following the standard procedure of reporting these types of issues, but also could clear up a possible misunderstanding. It would also benefit you to get as many witnesses as possible and for sure get the teaching assistant to agree to cooperate.


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Guide
04/01/22 5:47:21 PM
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COVxy posted...
In no universe composing humans, real life actual humans and not cartoons, does a professor get revenge on a class for beating the mean by 10 points by spending hours constructing a new test. The motive is fucking stupid and the idea that a professor would waste their time like that is ludicrous.

Doesn't seem much different from petty higher ups going out of their way to be shitty in any big business.

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Scarecrow17
04/01/22 6:21:16 PM
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COVxy posted...
Yeah, that's bullshit lmao.

It's not. There is nothing on the lecture slides or exam review talking about plant information at all. The exam review only mentioned knowing information about Caenorhabditis elegans(transparent nematodes), RNA interface, SDS page, and immunoblot theory. He never once lectured over any information regarding plants at all. Another student in class asked him if we were supposed to know anything regarding plants for that exam. He said and I quote "Yes, plant information was on the review page" which is an outright lie. I checked multiple times and so did others. There's nothing on that review page or in the lecture slides mentioning plants at all. Several people rolled their eyes at him when he said that because they knew he was full of shit.

Those unfair questions on the exam were not requiring the student to actually think about the material instead of just regurgitating information. There was no way for any of us to answer correctly aside from a lucky guess because he never went over the material. I am well aware of how to make tough but fair questions since I used to tutor chemistry on campus and conduct Supplemental Instruction sessions for students struggling in chemistry. You are not supposed to present a question to a student who has never learned the material especially if it's for a grade. He was out of line for what he did and you cannot say otherwise.

If I fucked up on the exam, then I would admit it. The teaching assistant I mentioned is a no nonsense, always serious type of person. She rarely jokes around with any of us. Teaching assistants can't really joke about this kind of stuff anyways. I've had this professor last semester and this doesn't seem out of character for him at all. Students have been calling him an unapproachable ass for a while with good reason. I was hesitant to approach him last week when I bended a metal spatula in lab by accident because I know how he can be. Some days, he's in a joking mood. Other days, evens the TAs avoid him as much as possible because he can be very unpleasant.

I'll mostly likely do what other users have suggested and see if some of the other students class in want to do anything. This situation isn't ludicrous, either. I've had high school teachers do similar things to spite their class. Before you say that's high school and this is college, several of my professors used to be high school teachers before they became college professors/lecturers. This happens more often than you think when people let their position to go their head.

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David1988
04/01/22 6:22:51 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/2/AAb05zAACu36.png

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COVxy
04/01/22 6:24:14 PM
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Undergrad TAs? They aren't real TAs.

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Sictis
04/01/22 6:25:07 PM
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David1988 posted...
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Unsugarized_Foo
04/01/22 6:25:25 PM
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I'd just cheat

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spikethedevil
04/01/22 6:26:23 PM
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Wait the teachers set the exams that count towards your grade and mark them in the US? WTF? You dont have exam boards that do that so teachers cant play favourites?

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Dakimakura
04/01/22 6:26:53 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Wait the teachers set the exams that count towards your grade and mark them in the US? WTF? You dont have exam boards that do that so teachers cant play favourites?

I don't understand these words you are saying.

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spikethedevil
04/01/22 6:28:42 PM
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Which bit confused you? Its very simple.

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David1988
04/01/22 6:30:47 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Wait the teachers set the exams that count towards your grade and mark them in the US? WTF? You dont have exam boards that do that so teachers cant play favourites?

yep, unless its standardized tests. We also clap for each person that got a perfect score

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Dakimakura
04/01/22 6:30:56 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Which bit confused you? Its very simple.

set the exams

mark them

exam boards

favourites

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spikethedevil
04/01/22 6:31:44 PM
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Dakimakura posted...
set the exams

mark them

exam boards

favourites

Ah youre just trolling, carry on then.

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Hinakuluiau
04/01/22 6:35:31 PM
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No point arguing with him, he literally takes McDonalds side in the hot coffee case. He's a bootlicker to authority

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