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Grand Kirby
04/27/22 3:40:41 AM
#202:


Moon Knight episode 5: Jesus fucking christ

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MoogleKupo141
04/27/22 3:49:23 AM
#203:


It was really good. Actually emotionally effective and (big old spoilies) didnt end as cleanly as I would have expected. RIP Steven?

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TheRock1525
04/27/22 3:51:35 AM
#204:


Yup this is easily becoming my favorite MCU series.

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TheRock1525
04/27/22 3:53:36 AM
#205:


Something tells me that the bird skeleton right before they walk into the cave is an indication that Khonshu set this whole thing up to make Mark his avatar.

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GuessMyUserName
04/27/22 4:13:17 AM
#206:


Legitimately emotional episode. When it sets up the beginning I really wasn't expecting what followed to really nail the emotional impact but it did. Honestly heartbroken from the first part, then a little relief as Marc tries to hide Steven's beginning (still though touching on Marc's vulnerability Khonshu takes advantage of), but then right back to finish up the heartbreak. And still with bits of charming levity throughout, this episode had me tearing up and smiling.

Not as high on the boat fight, although always fun to see Steven give fighting a go and the ending left me shocked... how the hell do we just have 1 more episode.

One other thing though... it's a bit frustrating the way the obvious 3rd alter is gone back to being ignored after yet another direct tease ending last episode. He's been getting teased throughout the entire series but now it's up to the final episode. On one hand it's odd that he's unimportant to balancing their scales, but on the other hand I can't really imagine fitting him into such a very powerful Marc & Steven episode so I dunno. When it was first pointed out their hearts aren't full I assumed that was referring to the 3rd alter left in the red sarcophagus but that quickly turned out not to be the case. *shrug*

Although I do think the 3rd alter made an appearance early in the ep when Dr. Harrow question's Marc about the boy, Like 4:40 Dr. Harrow asks about the boy, Marc stares off, and then he tries to get out of their, kinda playing it cool for a second but quickly unravels, gets aggressive, and his accent is entirely different, blatantly New Yorker accent. They don't make it as obvious as the switches between Marc & Steven but this definitely feels like a 3rd alter that just took control here.

Anyways, critiques aside I think this might just be my favourite of the live action D+ episodes. What If Strange still being the best overall, but somebody please give Oscar Isaac a medal.

*edit in another comment* Also really interesting how the asylum side of it turned out, they explain it really well from the start about the mind building a shelter away from traumatic memories, which in the given framing sounds like Harrow trying to convince Marc that the Moon Knight side isn't real... but then as the episode goes on both Marc & Steven keep coming back to Harrow to escape their trauma, and this fake Dr. Harrow is even starting to give really helpful advice about Marc needing to tell Steven the truth, and Steven needing to confront his mother's death.

TheRock1525 posted...
Something tells me that the bird skeleton right before they walk into the cave is an indication that Khonshu set this whole thing up to make Mark his avatar.
This is what I was thinking too when I saw it. Undeniably evoked the appearance of Khonshu and that tracks a lot with source material.

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LinkMarioSamus
04/27/22 5:06:25 AM
#207:


Maniac64 posted...
I said you should stop watching that channel. It clearly deserves to just be ignored.

Quite the opposite in fact.

Yeah anytime I see their stuff now I just want to throw up with how terrible their takes are. There was also one time where they reported about a Jon Ridley-penned Superman comic where Superman gets, uh, raped and decided to pivot that to asking if Warner Bros. and/or DC has something against Superman where they suggested that comic was preferable to Superman's current situation on film. I mean, it's not like Superman has ever had a huge gap between movie releases before or anything. And then there were comments accusing leftists of hating America and the government, and when I asked someone about that given the Capitol riot they acted as if leftists spent the whole of 2020 setting the country ablaze. Yuck.

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Leonhart4
04/27/22 6:35:36 AM
#208:


yeah their stuff makes me want to throw up, that's why I keep watching it and sharing their opinions about it as if they were my own

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LinkMarioSamus
04/27/22 7:09:43 AM
#209:


That really only started with the main spokesperson acting like Morbius was getting savaged by critics just because it didn't peddle "the message", along with their bad takes on Disney vs. the Florida bill.

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XIII_rocks
04/27/22 9:08:48 AM
#210:


Best MCU episode since...probably the penultimate Wandavision episode?

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TheRock1525
04/27/22 12:11:02 PM
#212:


XIII_rocks posted...
Best MCU episode since...probably the penultimate Wandavision episode?

No respect for Lokigator.

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RyoCaliente
04/27/22 6:21:03 PM
#213:


This seems to be doing the reverse of WandaVision, which started off interesting and got more boring over time. I wasn't terribly engaged by the first few episodes but I've liked each one more than the previous one.

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GuessMyUserName
04/27/22 6:50:36 PM
#214:


mspaint graphing how i feel about my D+ MCU engagement

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/3/AAN7AaAADLTn.png

Moon Knight I'm thinking aligns with how Hawkeye was for me, maybe more exaggerated. Although Hawkeye was really helped out by launching the first 2 eps together so I didn't have to feel that 2nd episode dip too hard.

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HanOfTheNekos
04/27/22 7:56:05 PM
#215:


GMUN, I mostly agree with those graphs, but it seems like the particulars of your thoughts on Moon Knight don't line up with me.

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GuessMyUserName
04/27/22 8:14:34 PM
#216:


Basically I thought the first episode had an interesting hook to it, I really enjoyed the abrupt switches between Steven/Marc with Marc's side left to mystery. As episodes went on though I was gradually less captivated and found more flaws (particularly ep3 which had a really messy pacing).

Episode 4's tricky because the first half I was really bothered by the dark visibility but then the back half was thrilling, as it then continued into this week with by far the most emotionally hitting D+ episode since What If Strange.

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Seanchan
04/27/22 8:22:47 PM
#217:


That was a pretty good episode.

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HanOfTheNekos
04/27/22 9:03:31 PM
#219:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Basically I thought the first episode had an interesting hook to it, I really enjoyed the abrupt switches between Steven/Marc with Marc's side left to mystery. As episodes went on though I was gradually less captivated and found more flaws (particularly ep3 which had a really messy pacing).

Episode 4's tricky because the first half I was really bothered by the dark visibility but then the back half was thrilling, as it then continued into this week with by far the most emotionally hitting D+ episode since What If Strange.

Oh, that's pretty close to my thoughts.

I mean, I wasn't as high on this episode, but yeah.

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ninkendo
04/28/22 3:35:23 AM
#221:


GuessMyUserName posted...
mspaint graphing how i feel about my D+ MCU engagement

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/3/AAN7AaAADLTn.png

Moon Knight I'm thinking aligns with how Hawkeye was for me, maybe more exaggerated. Although Hawkeye was really helped out by launching the first 2 eps together so I didn't have to feel that 2nd episode dip too hard.
Moon knight is a straight U shape for me with episode 3 being the bottom of the U

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BlackDra90n
04/28/22 10:13:31 PM
#222:


What a show. That was such a trippy episode. Really curious to know how they're going to end it.

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Grand Kirby
04/28/22 10:24:32 PM
#223:


Honestly these Marvel shows don't usually stick the landing, so...

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IfGodCouldDie
04/28/22 10:30:30 PM
#224:


Finale runtime is 44ish minutes shortest runtime for a finale, aside from What if...

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GuessMyUserName
04/28/22 10:35:36 PM
#225:


I enjoyed the Loki ending although I get it was a big exposition dump - but I was highhhhly entertained by Jonathan Majors.

Hawkeye had me freaking out a lot in some real fun ways. Namely holy shit KATE fighting KINGPIN had me screaming OH GIRL YOU CAN'T DO THIS GET OUT OF THERE while she was getting beat around plus how incredibly buffed up he became since Netflix

I have no idea at all how Moon Knight can pull together 1 final episode here though

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GuessMyUserName
04/28/22 10:36:09 PM
#226:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Finale runtime is 44ish minutes shortest runtime for a finale, aside from What if...
this makes me even more confused

bloody how in the world can they pull this off

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redrocket
04/28/22 10:38:11 PM
#227:


GuessMyUserName posted...
this makes me even more confused

bloody how in the world can they pull this off

magic

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mnkboy907
04/28/22 10:48:12 PM
#229:


Maybe it won't all be resolved and they'll announce Season 2 immediately after?

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BlackDra90n
04/28/22 10:53:13 PM
#230:


mnkboy907 posted...
Maybe it won't all be resolved and they'll announce Season 2 immediately after?

I'm gonna be super ok with this. I'm enjoying this series a lot more than I thought I would.

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IfGodCouldDie
04/29/22 12:25:59 AM
#231:


UltimaterializerX posted...
By not actually having Ammit get revived and avoiding the whole color coded light beam thing entirely.
My only problem with that is...We already saw the effects of Ammit being revived because of the unusually high rate of souls entering the underworld.

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Murphiroth
04/29/22 1:24:36 AM
#232:


I halfway hope we get some early cameo God butchering of Ammit in the final episode even if that would come completely out of nowhere and solve the problem for Marc/Steven/Khonshu.
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MoogleKupo141
04/29/22 1:39:34 AM
#233:


Probably wont happen to Amit, but That could happen to some of the other gods from that council in a post credit scene at least

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TheRock1525
04/29/22 3:28:11 AM
#234:


I have a weird theory that the third "personality" might be Khonshu.

We have loose proof that Khonshu might have been involved with or caused the drowning of Marc's younger brother. But since it seems that Khonshu can only take on an avatar of someone on their death bed, part of me thinks that Khonshu took control or became a part of Marc during his near death drowning experience. There's also the fact that Khonshu specially told Steven to have Marc find and free him. But Marc has no idea where he is as the mini-statue. I mean, he knows of the place, but he doesn't know where it is as he was simply magically whisked away to it by a portal. It actually makes more sense that a dying Marc could seek out Khonshu within his individual psyche like he did Steven. But you can point out how the scales were unbalanced due to secrets Marc withheld from Steven about his origin, and that being rid of Steven finally balanced Marc's scales. But if Khonshu was still within Marc, shouldn't his scales stay unbalanced? But here's the key difference: Marc is very keenly aware of the existence and origin of Steven. Steven needed to learn the whole truth but also be removed from Marc's psyche in order to achieve balance. But something Marc is completely unaware wouldn't weigh on his psyche at all. So it had no effect on balancing his heart. And the final point I'd make is that the brief moment when the third personality took control, he was more brutal than even Marc. Which would actually reflect on Khonshu's general modus operandi. He very specifically yelled at Steven to break Harrow's neck. And we see how Khonshu can take over Marc's body in the trial, although it is definitely more awkward.

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Lightning Strikes
04/30/22 3:15:41 PM
#235:


First off, I just want to say that this episode was indeed one of if not the best episodes of any MCU show thus far. Oscar Isaacs performance was excellent.

Second, if you want a derail thats actually relevant, lets try and figure out the post-Endgame timeline.

People often think that its all 2023 with Hawkeye taking place that Christmas. There are a few problem with this. Spider-Man: Far From Home takes place in the summer, but is six months after Endgame, which is unlikely if Endgames tine skip takes us from April 2018 to April (?) 2023. A Hawkeye creator was also saying that Hawkeye is actually set the year after Endgame. Spider-Man No Way Home takes place from the end of Far From Home until just before Hawkeye, meaning that Far From Home needs to take place in summer 2024, which means that at least the ending of Endgame needs to take place in late 2023 instead of April as you might think.

So, lets go entry by entry.

Endgame does have some time pass from the five years later scene to the time travel, then time could also pass before the funeral. So Endgame could go over the course of some months from around April to October 2023. WandaVision takes place 3 weeks later and seems to cover Halloween so that lines up. This would place Far From Home in April 2024 which seems early for summer but if you do some rounding could be the first week of May which is in America often seen as the start of summer. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is around this time as well. Shang-Chi and Eternals dont seem to have a specific time but seem to take place in 2024 also. Then No Way Home ends in early December 2024 with Hawkeye taking place shortly afterwards. Loki is bouncing around different time periods but in terms of personal timeline takes place right after Endgame. No idea about Moon Knight yet.

So, if I am right, the Endgame through to phase 4 timeline is:

April-October 2023: Endgame
October/November 2023: WandaVision
April 2024: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
May 2024: Spider-Man Far From Home
2024: Shang-Chi
2024: Eternals
May 2024-December 2024: Spider-Man No Way Home
Christmas 2024: Hawkeye
Early 2025(?): Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Outside/Unclear: Loki, Moon Knight.

Does that seem accurate? And make sense?

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IfGodCouldDie
04/30/22 3:37:14 PM
#236:


That seems likely.

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mnkboy907
04/30/22 3:46:24 PM
#237:


Moon Knight is confirmed to be after Hawkeye in early 2025.

https://screenrant.com/moon-knight-mcu-timeline-when-confirmed/

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BlackDra90n
04/30/22 3:57:29 PM
#238:


Doesn't Yelena in Hawkeye mention the new Statue of Liberty? But it gets a bit punched up in No Way Home. Wonder how that lines up.

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Pokalicious
05/01/22 5:35:32 PM
#239:


Huge Multiverse of Madness leaks online.

Be way of spoilers!

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ZenOfThunder
05/01/22 6:13:23 PM
#240:


I am pretty sure the entire plot leaked like 3 months ago, a lot is just getting confirmed

which is good because those leaks were good shit

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mnkboy907
05/01/22 6:27:25 PM
#241:


I've managed to avoid spoilers for this a lot better than I avoided spoilers for NWH. Let's see how long that keeps up.

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Aecioo
05/01/22 6:57:29 PM
#243:


At this point I need the MCU to get past the "omg can you believe ________ is in the film" and just introduce everyone so I can just be excited about a well made film

come on taika waititi don't let me down

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Waluigi1
05/02/22 12:57:31 AM
#244:


Aecioo posted...
At this point I need the MCU to get past the "omg can you believe ________ is in the film" and just introduce everyone so I can just be excited about a well made film

come on taika waititi don't let me down
So you already know it won't be good?

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MoogleKupo141
05/02/22 2:38:13 AM
#245:


Aecioo posted...
At this point I need the MCU to get past the "omg can you believe ________ is in the film" and just introduce everyone so I can just be excited about a well made film

come on taika waititi don't let me down


weve got mutants coming still so Im sure theyve still got another decade of introductions to do

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mnkboy907
05/02/22 2:59:25 AM
#246:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
weve got mutants coming still so Im sure theyve still got another decade of introductions to do

omg can you believe unus the untouchable is in the film?!

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GuessMyUserName
05/02/22 3:06:03 AM
#247:


roll out the fireworks for jubileeeee

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MoogleKupo141
05/02/22 4:24:15 AM
#248:


mnkboy907 posted...
omg can you believe unus the untouchable is in the film?!


i would genuinely be excited about that

when I got into comics as a kid I got a ton of the The Essential _____ Marvel books that were just collections of the oldest issues for whichever character/team, so Im very into the MCU using every dumb 60s/70s character.

I was very happy when Batroc the Leaper showed up.

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LinkMarioSamus
05/02/22 9:49:48 AM
#249:


Just about everything I have to contribute to this thread would probably just come off as more complaining so I've largely resisted the temptation to write about much of it in this thread. Earlier I was mostly just explaining why my MCU takes might have come off as weird to others - because I was getting my sources from dumpster fires who were getting progressively deeper into right-wing politics. Also when I said Midnight's Edge's stuff makes me want to throw up, I was mostly referring to their newest stuff where the main spokesperson acted like Morbius was getting bad reviews because it didn't peddle "the message" and reported the Disney-DeSantis feud as if it was Disney bending to "activists", along with the general hatred of the political left exhibited by the channel's commenters.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/02/22 10:14:46 AM
#250:


ok

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MoogleKupo141
05/02/22 10:29:24 AM
#251:


maybe instead of getting your sources for your takes from YouTube guys you could just have your own opinion based on viewing the films

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