Poll of the Day > Will Smith doesn't like people making fun of bald people with illnesses.

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https://youtu.be/hrOKbtJiglI?t=389

Oh wait.

arsenio hall is great

"Aww, these are jokes, come on!"

Holy crap, perfect find, lol

I don't want to see another bald guy ever get made fun of again after this bs and people coming out of the wood work like alopecia is freaking cancer and "it's wrong to laugh at it!"

streamofthesky posted...

like alopecia is freaking cancer

You don't have to downplay a disability to disagree with what Smith did.

Gaawa_chan posted...

You don't have to downplay a disability to disagree with what Smith did.

I'm confused

I wasn't downplaying cancer.
So that means you're calling a cosmetic abnormality/imperfection a "disability"?
Good grief...

streamofthesky posted...

I'm confused

I wasn't downplaying cancer.
So that means you're calling a cosmetic abnormality/imperfection a "disability"?
Good grief...

*slap*

MICHALECOLE posted...

*slap*

That is violence
Well, technically it's violence in word form.
But apparently words are violence now.
So in conclusion, this is violence.

streamofthesky posted...

That is violence
Well, technically it's violence in word form.
But apparently words are violence now.
So in conclusion, this is violence.

*kiss*

streamofthesky posted...

a cosmetic abnormality/imperfection a "disability"?

... It's an auto-immune disease that redirects the immune system, which should be protecting the body against infectious agents, to waste its time damaging the body's own cells and is by definition a disability. It can also damage your nails and cause pain, something a lot of auto-immune diseases do, and correlates to other conditions.

A disability is a physical impairment that substantially limits a major life activity. This includes the functions of the immune system and "normal cell growth. Also a physiological disorder or condition, cosmetic disfigurement, or anatomical loss affecting one or more body systems (language in 29 CFR 1630.2(h)(1))

But I will be blunt. When someone tells you that a condition is a disability and your reaction is, "LOL NO IT ISN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO BE ONE," you need to fuck right off. People with disabilities should not have to spend half of their time trying to get people to believe they are "REALLY" disabled.

MICHALECOLE posted...

*kiss*

That is sexual harassment, I'm going to have to ask you to turn yourself into the local police

Gaawa_chan posted...

... It's an auto-immune disease that redirects the immune system, which should be protecting the body against infectious agents, to waste its time damaging the body's own cells and is by definition a disability. It can also damage your nails and cause <u>pain</u>, something a lot of auto-immune diseases do, and correlates to other conditions.

A disability is a physical impairment that substantially limits a major life activity. This includes the functions of the immune system and "normal cell growth. Also a physiological disorder or condition, cosmetic disfigurement, or anatomical loss affecting one or more body systems (language in 29 CFR 1630.2(h)(1))

But I will be blunt. When someone tells you that a condition is a disability and your reaction is, "LOL NO IT ISN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO BE ONE," you need to fuck right off. People with disabilities should not have to spend half of their time trying to get people to believe they are "REALLY" disabled.

Shit. People going bald are disabled.

Will Smith is a role model, now I know I can react to insults with violence! Just so long as I apologize to the class afterwords and not the person I hit.

What he doesn't like is the reality he can't escape his wife's heel, no matter what she does, so he'll do whatever she demands of him no matter how much or little he likes it. That is my take.

Lokarin posted...

Will Smith is a role model, now I know I can react to insults with violence! Just so long as I apologize to the class afterwords and not the person I hit.

You also have to be rich and famous

The worst part about this incident is people acting like being compared to GI Jane is an insult

Will smith is a sign of a far greater illness that is infecting our society.

the pitiful mindset of people trying to control what a comedian w the mic says onstage during their act.

if smith doesnt like what a comedian will say or that he Or someone he knows might be a target for a joke, then dont be in the audience and avoid anything that is even remotely stand up.

Or just suck it up and behave like a normal uninfected adult and laugh or dont.

in all but the most extreme cases where the jokes are not really meant to entertain and amuse, then the comedian has free reign during their act.

Will Smith doesnt need to cuss in his raps to sell records.

Well I do. So fuck him and fuck you too.

Revelation34 posted...

Shit. People going bald are disabled.

You didn't actually understand a single word of that post, did you?

Conner4REAL posted...
Ran out of quotes per post, so I'll just say: Spot on

Gaawa_chan posted...

... It's an auto-immune disease that redirects the immune system, which should be protecting the body against infectious agents, to waste its time damaging the body's own cells and is by definition a disability. It can also damage your nails and cause pain, something a lot of auto-immune diseases do, and correlates to other conditions.

A disability is a physical impairment that substantially limits a major life activity. This includes the functions of the immune system and "normal cell growth. Also a physiological disorder or condition, cosmetic disfigurement, or anatomical loss affecting one or more body systems (language in 29 CFR 1630.2(h)(1))

https://adata.org/faq/what-definition-disability-under-ada

It is important to remember that in the context of the ADA, disability is a legal term rather than a medical one. Because it has a legal definition, the ADAs definition of disability is different from how disability is defined under some other laws, such as for Social Security Disability related benefits.
The ADA defines a person with a disability as a person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activity. This includes people who have a record of such an impairment, even if they do not currently have a disability. It also includes individuals who do not have a disability but are regarded as having a disability. The ADA also makes it unlawful to discriminate against a person based on that persons association with a person with a disability.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/20/404.1505

404.1505 Basic definition of disability.
(a) The law defines disability as the inability to do any substantial gainful activity by reason of any medically determinable physical or mental impairment which can be expected to result in death or which has lasted or can be expected to last for a continuous period of not less than 12 months. To meet this definition, you must have a severe impairment(s) that makes you unable to do your past relevant work (see 404.1560(b)) or any other substantial gainful work that exists in the national economy. If your severe impairment(s) does not meet or medically equal a listing in appendix 1, we will assess your residual functional capacity as provided in 404.1520(e) and 404.1545. (See 404.1520(g)(2) and 404.1562 for an exception to this rule.) We will use this residual functional capacity assessment to determine if you can do your past relevant work. If we find that you cannot do your past relevant work, we will use the same residual functional capacity assessment and your vocational factors of age, education, and work experience to determine if you can do other work. (See 404.1520(h) for an exception to this rule.) We will use this definition of disability if you are applying for a period of disability, or disability insurance benefits as a disabled worker, or child's insurance benefits based on disability before age 22 or, with respect to disability benefits payable for months after December 1990, as a widow, widower, or surviving divorced spouse.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/disabilityandhealth/disability.html

Pretty lengthy, but I assume you're going for "impairment" since the other categories are even more severe and clearly out of scope, so...

What is impairment?
Impairment is an absence of or significant difference in a persons body structure or function or mental functioning. For example, problems in the structure of the brain can result in difficulty with mental functions, or problems with the structure of the eyes or ears can result in difficulty with the functions of vision or hearing.
Structural impairments are significant problems with an internal or external component of the body. Examples of these include a type of nerve damage that can result in multiple sclerosisexternal icon, or a complete loss of a body component, as when a limb has been amputated.
Functional impairments include the complete or partial loss of function of a body part. Examples of these include pain that doesnt go away or joints that no longer move easily.

Can't believe I'm actually arguing w/ someone that baldness isn't a disability...

But I will be blunt. When someone tells you that a condition is a disability and your reaction is, "LOL NO IT ISN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO BE ONE," you need to fuck right off. People with disabilities should not have to spend half of their time trying to get people to believe they are "REALLY" disabled.

I'll be blunt. People who think they can just bend the meaning of words, especially ones that have an important legal and medical meaning, to warp to their agenda, can fuck right off.

adjl posted...

You didn't actually understand a single word of that post, did you?

You mean like this part?

Gaawa_chan posted...

But I will be blunt. When someone tells you that a condition is a disability and your reaction is, "LOL NO IT ISN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO BE ONE," you need to fuck right off. People with disabilities should not have to spend half of their time trying to get people to believe they are "REALLY" disabled.

adjl posted...

You didn't actually understand a single word of that post, did you?

She's completely wrong.

streamofthesky posted...

People who think they can just bend the meaning of words, especially ones that have an important legal and medical meaning, to warp to their agenda, can f*** right off.

A very large number of words have different colloquial meanings from their legal/medical definitions. Colloquially, "disability" amounts largely to "a problem that makes certain parts of my life more difficult" and the "agenda" in question is being compassionate enough to sympathize with that and help accommodate it instead of gatekeeping the concept.

Obviously, the form that compassion takes and the extent to which it is taken will vary from case to case, given practical limitations and the very wide range of things that might cause somebody to struggle with something, but relying on legalese and medical definitions to get out of exercising it in everyday life is pretty much always going to be a dick move. Legal and medical definitions are only relevant when determining access to legally or medically prescribed benefits, and the vast majority of us have nothing to do with that.

Revelation34 posted...

She's completely wrong.

She's wrong about alopecia being an autoimmune disorder? She's wrong about it causing degradation of the nails? She's wrong about it causing pain? She's wrong about there being concerns about comorbidities?

All of those things sound like factual claims to me, which means any attempt to claim that "she's completely wrong" needs to be paired with similarly factual information demonstrating those claims to be incorrect (pretty much all of which could come from a few seconds skimming Wikipedia). As some of those reading may have noticed, you provided no such information. What do you think that means for the value of your contribution to this discussion?

adjl posted...

A very large number of words have different colloquial meanings from their legal/medical definitions. Colloquially, "disability" amounts largely to "a problem that makes certain parts of my life more difficult" and the "agenda" in question is being compassionate enough to sympathize with that and help accommodate it instead of gatekeeping the concept.

Obviously, the form that compassion takes and the extent to which it is taken will vary from case to case, given practical limitations and the very wide range of things that might cause somebody to struggle with something, but relying on legalese and medical definitions to get out of exercising it in everyday life is pretty much always going to be a dick move. Legal and medical definitions are only relevant when determining access to legally or medically prescribed benefits, and the vast majority of us have nothing to do with that.

She's wrong about alopecia being an autoimmune disorder? She's wrong about it causing degradation of the nails? She's wrong about it causing pain? She's wrong about there being concerns about comorbidities?

All of those things sound like factual claims to me, which means any attempt to claim that "she's completely wrong" needs to be paired with similarly factual information demonstrating those claims to be incorrect (pretty much all of which could come from a few seconds skimming Wikipedia). As some of those reading may have noticed, you provided no such information. What do you think that means for the value of your contribution to this discussion?

Calling it a disability is completely wrong.

Revelation34 posted...

Calling it a disability is completely wrong.

Those are some pretty fast goalposts you've got there.

adjl posted...

Those are some pretty fast goalposts you've got there.

That would be the person calling going bald a disability.

streamofthesky posted...

"Aww, these are jokes, come on!"

Holy crap, perfect find, lol

To be fair, this was when Smith was a lot younger and people CAN change. It's not like he did this last week, this would've been 30 years ago.

Conner4REAL posted...

Will smith is a sign of a far greater illness that is infecting our society.

the pitiful mindset of people trying to control what a comedian w the mic says onstage during their act.

if smith doesnt like what a comedian will say or that he Or someone he knows might be a target for a joke, then dont be in the audience and avoid anything that is even remotely stand up.

Or just suck it up and behave like a normal uninfected adult and laugh or dont.

in all but the most extreme cases where the jokes are not really meant to entertain and amuse, then the comedian has free reign during their act.

...now, on the other hand, Conner going from pro-censorship to anti-censorship IS hypocritical.

Revelation34 posted...

That would be the person calling going bald a disability.

Even if that were what she said (she was specifically and explicitly talking about alopecia, not baldness in a more general sense, so you've got a nice little strawman balancing on top of your rocket-powered goalposts), that's still not moving goalposts. Those goalposts are exactly where they started. You, on the other hand, went from "she's completely wrong" (that is, saying that everything she said was wrong) to "this one specific (albeit blatantly misrepresented) piece of that post is wrong," which is very much a matter of realizing you overstepped the boundaries of what you're capable of arguing and backpedalling frantically. Ergo, mockery. Oh ho ho ho.

In my case, being bald is a disability in every sense of the word. I do not have alopecia, so my nails are fine and it doesn't cause pain, at least not directly. I happen to have an unrelated illness that requires medication. While that illness is under control as long as I take my medication, the latter contains a phototoxic substance. What this means is that it provokes a chemical reaction whenever my skin is in contact of sun rays, UVB to be precise. Basically, I have drug induced photosensitivity. The chemical reaction in question causes sunburn. If I dare expose my skin under the sun for just one minute, I already start feeling nauseous and fatigued. It's quite debilitating. Despite this, the medication is still worth it, as without it I would have a much bigger problem.

Thankfully, there are ways to remedy this. Unlike UVA, UVB are easy to block. Any physical barrier is good, even clouds and glass. Unlike UVA however, sunscreen is much less effective against UVB. This is why I don't rely on it. I wear protective clothing, which means gloves, long sleeves and pants even during summer. Yes, it can become quite hot and sweaty, but it's better than burning and developing cancer. I don't have to worry about such protection during winter and cloudy days.

It wasn't that much of a big deal until I started balding. Hair blocks UVB, so without it my head is exposed. It also happens to be the most exposed part of the body, what with it being at the very top. Suffice to say, there was an incident nine years ago in which my head was a barbecue. I literally heard the sound of meat grilling on a barbecue inside and on top of my head. I didn't know what the hell was going on until it was too late. My scalf was scalded.

There are plenty of activities and jobs I can't do because of my disability. I'm also extremely annoyed and tired of having to explain myself to insentive jerks who downplay it by accusing me of lying or exaggerating. This is even worse when those jerks are employers. Thankfully, I can unleash a lawyer on them in this specific case, but I've been a victim of discrimination from all kinds of people. People willing to accommodate you are rare. It doesn't help that my disability is invisible.

Regardless, I don't mind bald jokes even if they're directed at me. I know the difference between humor and bullying. Heck, I often do self-deprecating jokes.

Will Smith was laughing at the joke until he saw how pissed his wife was that triggered his walking on stage and slapping Chris Rock. So yeah he found the joke funny until he saw the expression on his wife and then went into "Oh shit I better do something!" mode.

Mel Gibson babied out of a Fox News interview when asked about the slap

Lokarin posted...

Mel Gibson babied out of a Fox News interview when asked about the slap

That's not what happened.

Gaawa_chan posted...

... It's an auto-immune disease that redirects the immune system, which should be protecting the body against infectious agents, to waste its time damaging the body's own cells and is by definition a disability. It can also damage your nails and cause pain, something a lot of auto-immune diseases do, and correlates to other conditions.

A disability is a physical impairment that substantially limits a major life activity. This includes the functions of the immune system and "normal cell growth. Also a physiological disorder or condition, cosmetic disfigurement, or anatomical loss affecting one or more body systems (language in 29 CFR 1630.2(h)(1))

But I will be blunt. When someone tells you that a condition is a disability and your reaction is, "LOL NO IT ISN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO BE ONE," you need to fuck right off. People with disabilities should not have to spend half of their time trying to get people to believe they are "REALLY" disabled.

wait, i also have an autoimmune thingy
am i disabled too then?lol

Gaawa_chan posted...

... It's an auto-immune disease that redirects the immune system, which should be protecting the body against infectious agents, to waste its time damaging the body's own cells and is by definition a disability. It can also damage your nails and cause pain, something a lot of auto-immune diseases do, and correlates to other conditions.

A disability is a physical impairment that substantially limits a major life activity. This includes the functions of the immune system and "normal cell growth. Also a physiological disorder or condition, cosmetic disfigurement, or anatomical loss affecting one or more body systems (language in 29 CFR 1630.2(h)(1))

But I will be blunt. When someone tells you that a condition is a disability and your reaction is, "LOL NO IT ISN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO BE ONE," you need to fuck right off. People with disabilities should not have to spend half of their time trying to get people to believe they are "REALLY" disabled.

Yeah, okay. All that and Will is still in the wrong. Saying something is "auto-immune" isn't the get out of jail free card you think it is.

I have alopecia areata and I don't consider it a disability, just a cosmetic annoyance. I am curious about what type she has.

adjl posted...

Even if that were what she said (she was specifically and explicitly talking about alopecia, not baldness in a more general sense, so you've got a nice little strawman balancing on top of your rocket-powered goalposts), that's still not moving goalposts. Those goalposts are exactly where they started. You, on the other hand, went from "she's completely wrong" (that is, saying that everything she said was wrong) to "this one specific (albeit blatantly misrepresented) piece of that post is wrong," which is very much a matter of realizing you overstepped the boundaries of what you're capable of arguing and backpedalling frantically. Ergo, mockery. Oh ho ho ho.

Another adjl post rev couldn't counter.

Also, inb4 he gives one of his usual bullshit excuses

Entity13 posted...

What he doesn't like is the reality he can't escape his wife's heel, no matter what she does, so he'll do whatever she demands of him no matter how much or little he likes it. That is my take.

p much

sad for him, but it's up to him whether or not he stays with her.

Sarcasthma posted...

Another adjl post rev couldn't counter.

Also, inb4 he gives one of his usual bullshit excuses

Not a disability.

hypnox posted...

https://youtu.be/hrOKbtJiglI?t=389

Oh wait.

You mean will smith doesnt hold the same opinion he did decades ago?

pls tell me more about how youve held all of the same opinions on every single thing since the 1990s

FatalAccident posted...

You mean will smith doesnt hold the same opinion he did decades ago?

pls tell me more about how youve held all of the same opinions on every single thing since the 1990s

It's just sad when someone gets more immature as they get older

Muscles posted...

It's just sad when someone gets more immature as they get older

He slapped Chris and apologised and admitted that he shouldnt have.

What immaturity has he shown compared to how he was in the 90s?

FatalAccident posted...

He slapped Chris and apologised and admitted that he shouldnt have.

What immaturity has he shown compared to how he was in the 90s?

Going from "chill it was a joke" to the one getting offended over jokes and hitting someone because of it, even if he said sorry after, is definitely proof of that

Revelation34 posted...

Not a disability.

Yes, adjl already addressed your saying that.

FatalAccident posted...

You mean will smith doesnt hold the same opinion he did decades ago?

pls tell me more about how youve held all of the same opinions on every single thing since the 1990s

Considering cancel culture sjw's are canceling people for shit they said/did over 30 years ago, I'd say Hollywood, a shit hole of virtue signaling and depravity (redundant, I know) who loves to tell everyone how they're supposed to think/act/vote, doesn't get a free pass.

Jim Carey called what happened shameful and within a day people had dug up his 1997 awards performance (which probably was an actual act, just haven't seen that confirmed yet) where he kissed Alicia Silverstone and tried to kiss Will Smith (who blocked it) with the comedic Mask-like tongue sticking out, to try and cancel him.

So yeah, digging up shit from the '90's is fair game, it seems.

Wanded posted...

wait, i also have an autoimmune thingy
am i disabled too then?lol

Does it interfere with living your life to enough of an extent that you feel less capable for it?

Revelation34 posted...

Not a disability.

Good to see you have so little faith in your position that you can't do anything at all to defend it.

Muscles posted...

Going from "chill it was a joke" to the one getting offended over jokes and hitting someone because of it, even if he said sorry after, is definitely proof of that

People trying so hard to cancel Will its ridiculous.

Will has matured from when he started off as a rapper to where he is now, if you bothered to look into the man or even vaguely paid attention to him you would know.

Youre literally describing Will making a joke at someones expense and saying chill it was a joke to Will assaulting someone then apologising as becoming less mature. Irrespective of the decision making in either case, one is followed by contrition and acceptance of responsibility and one is not.

strange that you people are bending over backwards to create a reality where you have to twist facts just to cancel the guy. Yes he hit Chris and he shouldnt have. That doesnt mean you get to create an alternative reality where apologies mean immaturity and showing no remorse means maturity

FatalAccident posted...

People trying so hard to cancel Will its ridiculous.

Will has matured from when he started off as a rapper to where he is now, if you bothered to look into the man or even vaguely paid attention to him you would know.

Youre literally describing Will making a joke at someones expense and saying chill it was a joke to Will assaulting someone then apologising as becoming less mature. Irrespective of the decision making in either case, one is followed by contrition and acceptance of responsibility and one is not.

strange that you people are bending over backwards to create a reality where you have to twist facts just to cancel the guy. Yes he hit Chris and he shouldnt have. That doesnt mean you get to create an alternative reality where apologies mean immaturity and showing no remorse means maturity

I don't think he should be canceled tbh. Also you shouldn't have to show remorse for a joke, it's a joke, why are jokes so hard to understand for some people? It seems like he used to understand what a joke was and forgot somewhere along the line.

adjl posted...

Does it interfere with living your life to enough of an extent that you feel less capable for it?

not more than Will's wife

Wanded posted...

not more than Will's wife

Yes, but she's just another "victim" so pathetic losers must do mental gymnastics to defend her. Hmmm... she does attract simps, doesn't she?

Muscles posted...

I don't think he should be canceled tbh. Also you shouldn't have to show remorse for a joke, it's a joke, why are jokes so hard to understand for some people? It seems like he used to understand what a joke was and forgot somewhere along the line.

cant see anywhere in your word salad about how hes actually got less mature with age