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MutantJohn
03/15/22 2:08:32 PM
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I was watching a video on YouTube to find the best path to something and the guy in the video was using a magic build.

Dude, the game looks so much easier with magic lol. Fights that would've been a pain in the ass for me as a greatsword user were trivialized for him.

It's confirmed, ez mode Elden Ring is just a magic build.

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Squall28
03/15/22 2:10:10 PM
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It's the same thing for DS3. You ignore most of the game's mechanics and just shoot spells from far away.

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PatrickMahomes
03/15/22 2:12:33 PM
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I like picking magic DPS in games like this so I went with it. It works for some bosses, just snipe them while they target your ash. But it's hardly a 100% clear rate. Tons of bosses are quick to close on you, others take place in small spaces, not all let you use ashes, etc.

And when you're closed in on, you're at a significant disadvantage because your physical stats are lower than those of a melee build.

Maybe these people are cheesing or something, but it's hardly a catch-all solution just to pump magic and call it a day. Casting takes fucking forever too.

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Unknown5uspect
03/15/22 2:12:44 PM
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Turns out you can make games easier without having a literal easy mode option.

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Slayerblade11
03/15/22 2:12:49 PM
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Is it really a shocker that being able to attack from a distance is more potent than attacking close up?
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Sictis
03/15/22 2:13:25 PM
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It's been easy mode in every Souls game.

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Fony
03/15/22 2:14:05 PM
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Same as ever.

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Doe
03/15/22 2:15:13 PM
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Intelligence, maybe. Faith really doesn't have any particular boss-slaying utilities. Just about every Faith tool is niche and while there's some stuff that works great on specific bosses, in general Faith cannot cut it as a pure caster. They have very little in the way of a quick spell that's cheap and does non-trivial damage; Faith loses outright in the mana economy vs intelligence or even just the best Ash of War skills.

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MarthGoomba
03/15/22 2:16:11 PM
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Greatshields are easier. Just barricade up with a thrusting sword

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s0nicfan
03/15/22 2:17:26 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Turns out you can make games easier without having a literal easy mode option.

But it's not in a menu which means FROM hates disabled people or something.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 2:22:09 PM
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Ever since I found the right direction to go, I been chewing through the game with a Dex build. But, I beat every other game, so it's impossible for me to tell a person new to the series how they're gonna do. My cousin seen me when I accidentally went to Caelid immediately, so in his head the game is damn near impossible. First thing he saw was me struggling to conquer a normal area lol. 30 hours later, Im still not even back there yet. Im surprised I actually ended up taking out that camp back then. Took like 10-15 tries.

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Veggeta_MAX
03/15/22 2:27:12 PM
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Like previous Souls game, coop mode = ez mode. Also you can summon spirits to help you.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 2:28:59 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Like previous Souls game, coop mode = ez mode. Also you can summon spirits to help you.

Im getting by with melee and summoning spirits. Honestly, I dunno if they buffed the bosses enough to make up for you getting them extra distractions for them

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KamenRiderBlade
03/15/22 2:30:07 PM
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Squall28 posted...
It's the same thing for DS3. You ignore most of the game's mechanics and just shoot spells from far away.

Slayerblade11 posted...
Is it really a shocker that being able to attack from a distance is more potent than attacking close up?

Isn't that basically Real LIfe?

Replace Magic Spells with FireArms and you have the same end result.

You're attacking from range.

There's a real reason why projectile warfare replaced face-to-face melee warfare.

The only difference is what types of projectiles are you launching.

And once we get past Kinetic Projectiles into DEW (Directed Energy Weapons).

Energy Projectiles will have even higher damage potential at greater range.

Think Orbital Bombardment.

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voldothegr8
03/15/22 2:31:39 PM
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Elden Ring bosses are like rock paper scissors, some are easy with magic while others hard, and same goes for strength builds.

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monkmith
03/15/22 2:33:28 PM
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Doe posted...
Intelligence, maybe. Faith really doesn't have any particular boss-slaying utilities. Just about every Faith tool is niche and while there's some stuff that works great on specific bosses, in general Faith cannot cut it as a pure caster. They have very little in the way of a quick spell that's cheap and does non-trivial damage; Faith loses outright in the mana economy vs intelligence or even just the best Ash of War skills.
you vomit rot on a boss and run away until they die.

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Veggeta_MAX
03/15/22 2:33:51 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Im getting by with melee and summoning spirits. Honestly, I dunno if they buffed the bosses enough to make up for you getting them extra distractions for them
Weaker spirits die in 1 or 2 hits. The wolves were great starting out but bosses that does crazy AoE attacks kill easily.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 2:35:25 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Weaker spirits die in 1 or 2 hits. The wolves were great starting out but bosses that does crazy AoE attacks kill easily.

I use the wolves. But I mean, even if they a distraction for you to get a few combos off. When you got a bleed build, you're taking off giant chunks in that time. I have all my boss fights saved, I just haven't uploaded them.

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MutantJohn
03/15/22 2:35:45 PM
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Oh yeah, there's those summoning ashes, huh?

Should I be using those?

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 2:38:45 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
Oh yeah, there's those summoning ashes, huh?

Should I be using those?

I can't even imagine how trivial the game is when they're distracted and you use long range combat >_<

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Turtlemayor333
03/15/22 2:43:11 PM
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IMO there are two tiers of Souls players.

1: The true insane people who can play these games never leveling up, never upgrading weapons, knowing every enemy will two-shot them at best.

2: Everybody else.

These are RPGs. If you level up enough, eventually it will be easy regardless of build at least in NG. So it's confusing to me when people who are in this tier will try to say something like "Magic is easy mode."

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Doe
03/15/22 2:48:36 PM
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monkmith posted...
you vomit rot on a boss and run away until they die.
That's really an Arcane thing though, the dragon communion seal scales with Arcane. Plus it won't help you against the game's hardest boss.

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MutantJohn
03/15/22 3:32:18 PM
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Those summoning ashes seem kinda OP, just like actual summoning.

The only times I ever summon NPCs and the like is when it's required by their quest line.

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Giant_Aspirin
03/15/22 3:33:40 PM
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i'm using a Magic build and it's definitely not easier for certain things. enemies tend to dodge the spells if you aren't careful about when you use them.

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Veggeta_MAX
03/15/22 3:59:18 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
Those summoning ashes seem kinda OP, just like actual summoning.

The only times I ever summon NPCs and the like is when it's required by their quest line.
You guys want an ez mode well there you guys have it.

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PatrickMahomes
03/15/22 4:04:07 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
I can't even imagine how trivial the game is when they're distracted and you use long range combat >_<
It's not, they really don't stay distracted for more than a spell or two when considering how long it takes to cast a single spell. And most bosses have the ability to close on you quickly or fire a projectile(s) right back. And you'll be more vulnerable because you have fewer points invested in STR/DEX/VIG most likely.

"Magic makes the whole game easy" is just false. "Magic makes some bosses easier" is true. Same can be said for melee. But if you pump magic, then those bosses in small rooms, quick closing speeds, and no ash access are going to be harder than they are for those who go melee.

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David1988
03/15/22 4:09:47 PM
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My bleed and dex dual katana build was shredding through enemies but then I changed to strength build and yet I can still use the katanas effectively and now I got a ton of more damage resistance, basically gg for any boss

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MJOLNRVII
03/15/22 4:15:34 PM
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Magic definitely makes some bosses like Radahn or the normal Dragons(ez headshots) easier. It kinda sucks firing at bosses that can either parry, block, reflect, or dodge spells like Malenia/Radagon/Halberd+Shield Tree Sentinels. You can get around their input reading with delayed spells like the Carian Phalanx or Rock Sling spells though. There's also that gimmicky ass infinite FP thing you can use with Azur's Comet.

Actual easy mode is Hoarfrost Stomp, with or without Mimic Tear. That thing is bonkers holy shit.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 4:31:35 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
It's not, they really don't stay distracted for more than a spell or two when considering how long it takes to cast a single spell. And most bosses have the ability to close on you quickly or fire a projectile(s) right back. And you'll be more vulnerable because you have fewer points invested in STR/DEX/VIG most likely.

"Magic makes the whole game easy" is just false. "Magic makes some bosses easier" is true. Same can be said for melee. But if you pump magic, then those bosses in small rooms, quick closing speeds, and no ash access are going to be harder than they are for those who go melee.

Interesting. I dunno. I get bored when I try magic builds. Granted, it's not a fair shot cause I don't until I already know the game anyway.

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Veggeta_MAX
03/15/22 4:47:52 PM
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MJOLNRVII posted...
Actual easy mode is Hoarfrost Stomp
Are there regular mobs and bosses that is bad against frost stomp?

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MutantJohn
03/15/22 4:53:44 PM
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Hmm, maybe my next playthrough I'll do a bleed build.

Any cool things I should be aiming for to do a bleed build?

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Doe
03/15/22 4:54:03 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
Hmm, maybe my next playthrough I'll do a bleed build.

Any cool things I should be aiming for to do a bleed build?
Bleed

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 4:57:10 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
Hmm, maybe my next playthrough I'll do a bleed build.

Any cool things I should be aiming for to do a bleed build?

16 strength, 20 Dex. Rest in Vigor and Endurance.

This isn't end game advice. Im only halfway in and it's still serving me well. I don't know if Ill end up switching weapons. Got 2 bleed weapons that I love. They're so damn powerful. By my blind standards

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MJOLNRVII
03/15/22 5:01:40 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Are there regular mobs and bosses that is bad against frost stomp?
I don't think so. Granted I haven't tried it out on every boss/enemy, but the last three bosses, Malenia, and most of the endgame bosses that I help people with during co-op all get destroyed by it.

MutantJohn posted...
Any cool things I should be aiming for to do a bleed build?
Some of the Bleed/Arcane weapons like Eleonora's Twinblade seem bugged atm and get worse with their last upgrade or something, but regular or infused Bleed weapons are fine. I'm not sure if it's worth pumping Arcane just to help with the bleed though.

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MutantJohn
03/15/22 5:03:44 PM
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Alright, coolio.

So far, I'm really enjoying my str/greatsword build. There's something so satisfying about dual-wielding a big-ass sword and smacking things in the face.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 5:04:58 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
So far, I'm really enjoying my str/greatsword build. There's something so satisfying about dual-wielding a big-ass sword and smacking things in the face.



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MutantJohn
03/15/22 5:06:24 PM
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Oh sorry, typo. I don't know why I said that lol.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/15/22 5:09:49 PM
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The Dex swords I use are pretty lengthy without sacrificing too much speed. Though, the curved sword is pretty slow and I don't know how slow that strong strength builds actually are

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MutantJohn
03/15/22 5:17:02 PM
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I think my next playthrough I'm gonna aim to end with this weapon as my main:
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Hand+of+Malenia

This blade looks awesome! And it causes bleed so that's the build. Get 16 str and 48 dex.

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monkmith
03/15/22 5:37:25 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
I think my next playthrough I'm gonna aim to end with this weapon as my main:
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Hand+of+Malenia

This blade looks awesome! And it causes bleed so that's the build. Get 16 str and 48 dex.
might want to hold off, bleed is one of the effects that'll likely get heavily nerfed.

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