Poll of the Day > Them Biden fella makes me gas more expensive.

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Jen0125
03/10/22 1:51:52 PM
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Jen0125
03/10/22 1:52:38 PM
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JixHedgehog
03/10/22 2:01:36 PM
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$8.63 spotted at a Chevron in Mendocino CA
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Jen0125
03/10/22 2:02:59 PM
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Jen0125
03/10/22 2:03:23 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
$8.63 spotted at a Chevron in Mendocino CA
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Thanks a lot Putin :(
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darkknight109
03/10/22 2:20:20 PM
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Mensis posted...
I forgot that Russia shut down our pipelines making us completely dependent on foreign oil and cost thousands of American jobs. Yep, definitely Russia.
It's kind of sad that conservatives are leaping to the defence of Vladmir fucking Putin just because they think they can use it to score some political points on Joe Biden.

I *worked* on Keystone XL. Helped design part of it. News flash, corky - it getting cancelled has NOTHING to do with why you are currently seeing gas prices. In fact, if you think you can fit the reason for high gas prices into a single sentence or even a single paragraph, you're wrong (or have terrible grammar).

Keystone XL wasn't coming online for years, even if construction wasn't cancelled. It takes a long time to build a pipeline that size, get all the land easements, conduct the environmental and geological surveys, put in the electrical work for the valve sights, pump stations, and CP systems, etc.. TC wasn't even expecting Keystone XL online until the middle of the decade.

If oil prices going up is because of Biden, how come the current upward trend dates back to April of 2020, seven months before he got elected and almost a full year before he took office? Biden's policies (and Trump's, for that matter) are not the reason that the price of oil went up.

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Arcturusisnow
03/10/22 2:45:06 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
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I gotta fill up tomorrow for work :(
You weren't alive when it was a $1.22/gal. So kindly fuck off.
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Ozmose
03/10/22 2:53:02 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
It's kind of sad that conservatives are leaping to the defence of Vladmir fucking Putin just because they think they can use it to score some political points on Joe Biden.

I *worked* on Keystone XL. Helped design part of it. News flash, corky - it getting cancelled has NOTHING to do with why you are currently seeing gas prices. In fact, if you think you can fit the reason for high gas prices into a single sentence or even a single paragraph, you're wrong (or have terrible grammar).

Keystone XL wasn't coming online for years, even if construction wasn't cancelled. It takes a long time to build a pipeline that size, get all the land easements, conduct the environmental and geological surveys, put in the electrical work for the valve sights, pump stations, and CP systems, etc.. TC wasn't even expecting Keystone XL online until the middle of the decade.

If oil prices going up is because of Biden, how come the current upward trend dates back to April of 2020, seven months before he got elected and almost a full year before he took office? Biden's policies (and Trump's, for that matter) are not the reason that the price of oil went up.
It wasn't Keystone that caused prices to skyrocket, it was the executive order to halt domestic production. When Biden came in they were in such a clamor to undo everything Trump had done they didn't give a second thought to the negative consequences it would have.

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Ozmose
03/10/22 3:00:31 PM
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Arcturusisnow posted...
You weren't alive when it was a $1.22/gal. So kindly fuck off.
I remember gas at $0.82/gal in the late 90s, and it was only about $1.35/gal near me just a couple years ago. You act like it was back in the stone age.

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Jen0125
03/10/22 3:02:16 PM
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The cheapest gas I remember is like $1.09 back in the 90s when I was very young
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Metalsonic66
03/10/22 3:09:12 PM
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Ozmose posted...
It wasn't Keystone that caused prices to skyrocket, it was the executive order to halt domestic production.
Meanwhile oil companies making record profits and laughing

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Jen0125
03/10/22 3:11:00 PM
#114:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Meanwhile oil companies making record profits and laughing

Right? These prices are just pure corporate greed.
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darkknight109
03/10/22 4:46:31 PM
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Ozmose posted...
It wasn't Keystone that caused prices to skyrocket, it was the executive order to halt domestic production. When Biden came in they were in such a clamor to undo everything Trump had done they didn't give a second thought to the negative consequences it would have.
Odd, then, how gas prices are skyrocketing around the world. It's almost like this isn't anything to do with the US and is, in fact, a global problem.

I swear there are some Americans who are completely oblivious to the fact that countries outside of their own actually exist...

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Adam_Savage
03/10/22 5:05:31 PM
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Ozmose posted...

It wasn't Keystone that caused prices to skyrocket, it was the executive order to halt domestic production. When Biden came in they were in such a clamor to undo everything Trump had done they didn't give a second thought to the negative consequences it would have.

and the reason for other countries skyrocketing gas prices?

or did biden do those, too, lmao
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adjl
03/10/22 5:06:28 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
Odd, then, how gas prices are skyrocketing around the world. It's almost like this isn't anything to do with the US and is, in fact, a global problem.

I swear there are some Americans who are completely oblivious to the fact that countries outside of their own actually exist...

But you don't understand! If Biden weren't in charge, the US could totally ignore skyrocketing oil prices everywhere else in the world and just use domestic production because domestic producers certainly wouldn't want to sell their products at those nice, inflated prices.

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Jen0125
03/10/22 5:20:37 PM
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Don't these people realize only 1 phase of the Keystone Pipeline was shut down? It was literally just the last phase running through indigenous land that got abandoned.

It's also a delivery method, it's not an oil field that is untapped. What problem does phase 4 of the Keystone Pipeline being completed solve right now?
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JixHedgehog
03/10/22 11:23:15 PM
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Tips on how to save gas -
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/4/AALiV_AADBDY.jpg

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Ozmose
03/11/22 2:51:35 AM
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Adam_Savage posted...
and the reason for other countries skyrocketing gas prices?

or did biden do those, too, lmao
. . . The same reason ours are.
They're dependent on foreign oil.

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adjl
03/11/22 12:40:22 PM
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Ozmose posted...
. . . The same reason ours are.
They're dependent on foreign oil.

You do realize that every country in the world can't be dependent on foreign oil, right?

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Jen0125
03/11/22 1:21:19 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
Tips on how to save gas -
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/4/AALiV_AADBDY.jpg

What about when prices were comparable under Bush? @JixHedgehog
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darkknight109
03/11/22 2:31:53 PM
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Ozmose posted...
It wasn't Keystone that caused prices to skyrocket, it was the executive order to halt domestic production.
That halt was temporary and since it expired, the Biden administration has been issuing leases and drilling permits at a faster rate than the Trump admin.

Seriously, production is up 20-ish percent under Biden. The oil and gas industry is slated to have record high production this year. I *work* in this industry (albeit not in America) and the amount of work that we're pulling in right now is unreal.

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Adam_Savage
03/11/22 3:11:23 PM
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Ozmose posted...

. . . The same reason ours are.
They're dependent on foreign oil.

except for the countries where it's not foreign lmao
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JixHedgehog
03/11/22 3:13:59 PM
#125:


Jen0125 posted...
What about when prices were comparable under Bush? @JixHedgehog

Which one, Jnr or Snr?
I wasnt here during Snr years and most of Jnrs

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Jen0125
03/11/22 3:17:19 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
Which one, Jnr or Snr?
I wasnt here during Snr years and most of Jnrs

Okay? Just because you weren't here doesn't mean gas prices didn't sky rocket under a GOP led Gov.
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JixHedgehog
03/11/22 3:23:30 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Okay? Just because you weren't here doesn't mean gas prices didn't sky rocket under a GOP led Gov.

Still not sure which you mean, but neither were as high as the prices during the Obama years

$5 a gallon was shocking then and its shocking now

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Jen0125
03/11/22 3:33:45 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
Still not sure which you mean, but neither were as high as the prices during the Obama years

$5 a gallon was shocking then and its shocking now

What? Bush was definitely higher than the Obama years. You really suffer from selective memory and poor historical recall.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/3/AAAgaZAADA73.jpg

GWB had higher gas prices than now. He is a Republican. So we shouldn't vote for dems OR GOP according to you? Right? I just want you to be consistent.
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JixHedgehog
03/11/22 3:50:36 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/2/AALiV_AADBNq.jpg
Boom, stats

Bush and Trump had Barry beat

And if you add Joe into the mix...

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adjl
03/11/22 4:13:41 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/2/AALiV_AADBNq.jpg
Boom, stats

Bush and Trump had Barry beat

And if you add Joe into the mix...

The actual takeaway message from the graph that you keep ignoring is that fluctuations in oil prices are largely independent of who's president. You'll see the occasional change that lines up with major events/policy decisions, but those effects are rarely felt immediately and often extend into the next president's term. Throw in that Trump's average takes advantage of several months of a profound Covid-induced drop in demand (and therefore price), which is relatively significant on the scale of a single term, and that Biden inherited the steady climb that started as the world started back up and had to contend with supply issues caused by Covid, and suggesting that Biden is to blame for this current high is pretty clear evidence that you understand pretty much nothing about the situation and are just looking for a scapegoat that aligns with your pre-established political views.

We should also probably point out that Bush's average is nearly double Clinton's, so that whole "don't vote Democrat if you don't like high gas prices" thing falls apart immediately. Four presidents are hardly enough to establish meaningful averages (and, again, distilling it down to who's president at the time indicates very little about why gas prices are fluctuating), but the figures you provided yield an average of $2.12 for Democratic presidents and $2.31 for Republicans (even giving Bush double the weight in that average because he served two terms; the comparison would be even less favourable if they were weighted equally, but that would be poor statistical analysis). Usually, "boom, stats" is something you say when you find statistics that support your claim, not disprove it.

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Jen0125
03/11/22 4:19:41 PM
#131:


JixHedgehog posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/2/AALiV_AADBNq.jpg
Boom, stats

Bush and Trump had Barry beat

And if you add Joe into the mix...

Showing the average doesn't mean anything when you're talking about a temporary spike due to a war causing supply issues. You really have no comeback. I paid over $5/gallon under GWB in NYS. Posting random averages means nothing.

Thank you for once again exposing yourself.
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Jen0125
03/11/22 4:26:52 PM
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And how can you post averages like it's relevant when Biden hasn't finished his presidency?? Your data doesn't mean anything here.
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Ozmose
03/11/22 4:30:29 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Showing the average doesn't mean anything when you're talking about a temporary spike due to a war causing supply issues. You really have no comeback. I paid over $5/gallon under GWB in NYS. Posting random averages means nothing.

Thank you for once again exposing yourself.

Temporary spike? It's been on a steady climb since he took office. I suppose you think the inflation is just "transitory" as well.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/2/AAMabeAADBOI.jpg

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BlackScythe0
03/11/22 4:32:39 PM
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You mean to say gas prices started to go up as people were traveling again and getting over covid restrictions?
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Ozmose
03/11/22 4:41:40 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
You mean to say gas prices started to go up as people were traveling again and getting over covid restrictions?
People were traveling plenty before then. Contrary to what the news would like you to think, most people didn't just lock themselves inside the whole time.

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darkknight109
03/11/22 4:56:23 PM
#136:


Please stop perpetuating this bullshit nonsense that the president is some godlike being that can somehow control an internationally-traded commodity that brings in literally trillions of dollars every year in revenue.

darkknight109 posted...
if you think you can fit the reason for high gas prices into a single sentence or even a single paragraph, you're wrong

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Jen0125
03/11/22 4:57:17 PM
#137:


Ozmose posted...
Temporary spike? It's been on a steady climb since he took office. I suppose you think the inflation is just "transitory" as well.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/2/AAMabeAADBOI.jpg

It's been steadily climbing because of global political instability and corporate greed.
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adjl
03/11/22 5:25:30 PM
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Ozmose posted...
Temporary spike? It's been on a steady climb since he took office.

I mean, your graph shows a large spike immediately after Putin invaded, so yes, that is indeed a spike on top of the gradual climb. Care to bring in the previous 18 months so you're comparing a longer time scale than one that entirely encapsulates the gradual recovery from the early Covid price crash?

Ozmose posted...
People were traveling plenty before then. Contrary to what the news would like you to think, most people didn't just lock themselves inside the whole time.

People were travelling, but very much not at pre-Covid rates, and that rate has been increasing pretty consistently since crashing in March 2020 (sort of like gas prices). Bear in mind that Biden was sworn in at roughly the same time as vaccines started becoming readily available to the general public, which was a major milestone for resuming travel, returning to in-person work as the standard, and many other aspects of "returning to normal." Biden being sworn in was also the catalyst for a lot of right-leaning areas to start abandoning Covid restrictions, which would further increase demand.

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Adam_Savage
03/11/22 5:55:07 PM
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i remember when this guy said he wasn't right or left lmao
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Cacciato
03/11/22 5:59:54 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/2/AALiV_AADBNq.jpg
Boom, stats

Bush and Trump had Barry beat

And if you add Joe into the mix...
Oh. So you think we should elect a Clinton. Never thought thats something Id see you support.
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The_Hacker
03/11/22 6:16:27 PM
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All I know is, when Trump was prez, gas was $1.29 here. Now it's $3.99. Blame who you want for that. And it was already over $3.00 before the Ukraine war anyway.
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Cacciato
03/11/22 6:18:02 PM
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The_Hacker posted...
All I know is, when Trump was prez, gas was $1.29 here.
It genuinely surprises me when people write this and have zero ability to think of the context that price was in.
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Metalsonic66
03/11/22 6:34:10 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Meanwhile oil companies making record profits and laughing


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JixHedgehog
03/12/22 12:22:55 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Showing the average doesn't mean anything when you're talking about a temporary spike due to a war causing supply issues. You really have no comeback. I paid over $5/gallon under GWB in NYS. Posting random averages means nothing.

Thank you for once again exposing yourself.

Uhhh.. Bidens numbers aren't included, but rest assured what's happening now with the prices will put a huge dent into his average

Also, your graph has the averages if you do the math

And lastly, stop asking me to expose myself :P

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Zareth
03/12/22 4:03:54 AM
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Adam_Savage posted...
i remember when this guy said he wasn't right or left lmao
"I hate the dems and the republicans so I must be a centrist!"

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Mensis
03/12/22 10:38:42 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
It's kind of sad that conservatives are leaping to the defence of Vladmir fucking Putin just because they think they can use it to score some political points on Joe Biden.

youve jumped to a lot of conclusions here so allow me to clarify. First of all Im neither a conservative or a liberal. Secondly I was absolutely not taking the side of Putin he is a war criminal and a monster. In fact my point was in the same vein as your reply to me, there are many factors that have to do with the surge in prices, not JUST Russia.

Now I dont claim to be a geopolitical expert or anything, I am just of the opinion that if we have these resources right under our noses then we shouldnt allow these oil corporations to bend us over like this.

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darkknight109
03/12/22 12:53:24 PM
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Mensis posted...
Secondly I was absolutely not taking the side of Putin he is a war criminal and a monster.
If you are not taking the side of Putin, why are you parroting his propaganda points?

Putin loves the fact that Republicans are trying to score political points on Biden for high gas prices, because for every attack they make, the unity of the American response and the will to tough out the consequences of sanctioning Russia gets weaker. This is *exactly* what he wants to happen.

Your original point wasn't even based on facts. Biden didn't "shut down pipelines". About the only high-profile pipeline he kiboshed was Phase 4 of Keystone XL, a pipeline that wouldn't be online today even if construction had gone ahead. Aside from that, the Biden admin has been issuing drilling leases and permits at a rate *faster* than the Trump admin.

Which hasn't helped, because of course it hasn't helped - the US is already set to have record levels of production this year or next. The issue has nothing to do with the US - it has to do with the facts that:
a) Demand has spiked after two years of lull due to COVID-19. Now that people are travelling again - for work and for pleasure - gas and fuel consumption rates are way up.
b) The oil and gas industry, like everyone else, laid off a lot of people during the pandemic and is now scrambling to try and find workers to get things back up and running again. I work in oil and gas, in a side of the industry that's usually fairly insulated from the boom/bust cycle, and even we can't get enough people at the moment.
c) Russia is basically being cut out of a huge chunk of the global market. Russia is the world's third-largest supplier of oil, so them going through an economic crisis is going to have massive ramifications on the global market, regardless of what anyone else does.
d) OPEC is still largely sitting on the sidelines right now and has refused to up production because they seem to be comfortable with the current level of demand. Given that OPEC controls roughly half of the world's oil production, they continue to hold a controlling stake in oil prices and nothing the US does can compare with their influence.

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Mensis
03/12/22 1:22:21 PM
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Im not reading all that, youve overestimated the dog I have in this topic. I wanted to stir the pot and I did. I have no further interest in arguing over your accusations of my moral character so you typing that out was a waste of time.

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Cacciatos
03/12/22 1:26:01 PM
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Darkknight wins!
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Mensis
03/12/22 1:27:22 PM
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Cacciatos posted...
Darkknight wins!
Thats fine like I said, no dog in the race. I said everything I needed to say to him in my first reply.

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