Poll of the Day > Why the hell are people still complaining about masks?

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What I want to know is why there are people who still wear them around their chins.

When all of the mandates are gone.

They talk about personal responsibility and then go nuts over wearing a mask.

If we all took the personal responsibility to wear a mask for a couple of years, we could not only eradicate COVID but the common cold as well.

Literally not what personal responsibility

If we all took the personal responsibility to wear a mask for a couple of years, we could not only eradicate COVID but the common cold as well.

Literally not what personal responsibility is,

we could not only eradicate COVID but the common cold as well.

accepting the personal responsibility everyone has to not actively make the world around them worse

That is literally the opposite of what that means.

When all of the mandates are gone.

It's responsibility for personal actions. How else would you describe it?

Personal Responsibility is the responsibility you alone have for yourself. Not putting responsibility on others, or others placing responsibility on you.
What you described was a responsibility to other people.

the underlying point remains valid

which is presumably why you're focusing on pedantry

No, no it doesn't.

you're [...] not making any actual argument against it.

you're [...] not making any actual argument against it.

What I'm talking about and what you're talking about are opposing concepts.That is literally the opposite of what that means.

What you're talking about...

Personal responsibility concerns something that the person in question has control over and is holding them self accountable for.

This shows that on a foundational level you don't understand what personal responsibility is.

Yeah, like not spreading a contagious disease all over the place

We enforce...

and frown upon people that wantonly endanger their sexual partners

Remove the plexiglass barriers that create dead zones for the airborne virus to accumulate in, fund improvements to airflow and ventilation systems, install CO2 detectors to monitor air quality

and let people make the personally responsible choice of wearing a mask.

At that point it's a legal or social obligation.

If you want it to be a personal decision then let them decide.

What I'm talking about is if someone takes personal responsibility then they alone will see to their own needs. Whether that be their health, their freedom, their finances. Whatever they decide to apply it to. They will take control over it because no one can be trusted to do that for them.

Personal responsibility concerns something that the person in question has control over and is holding them self accountable for.

If someone takes personal responsibility for their own health then they'll start to get enough sleep, cut out foods that are bad for them, go for a jog. It does not mean that they demand the restaurant they frequent stop serving the food they always order to keep them from eating it. That would be putting the responsibility on the restaurant.

Someone could decide they will take personal responsibility to wear fresh socks every day.
However, ensuring other people wear fresh socks every day is not something they control.
Those other people can decide that it's their socks and they don't care that they've been wearing them since yesterday.

What you are talking about is the effects a person's actions have on other people. You can decide to take personal responsibility for your actions but you have no control over the effect they have on other people. Personal responsibility in that case would refer to the other person taking control of how they respond to your actions.

You may decide you will take personal responsibility for making people around you more cheerful. So you smile, you greet people warmly, you tell jokes. You can control your actions to support that goal but you don't control the effect of your actions. You don't decide how receptive anyone is to these attempts. Someone won't be in the mood and will find you aggravating.

You are trying to hold people accountable for something they don't control and you call it their personal responsibility. This shows that on a foundational level you don't understand what personal responsibility is.

You have free will, in so much as biology and circumstance will allow; taking personal responsibility to preform societal obligations is entirely on you. If your choice is to be an outlaw, you cannot complain that their are consequences to your actions.

Within reason; alone in a public park, fine. Societal interactions that do not require the consent of others; wear a mask. The threat of administering a noxious substance to another individual during the clear and present danger of an airborne virus constitutes the necessity of face condoms; to refuse to wear a mask in this age rises to the level of "stealthing" an individual during sexual intercourse.

Because they are pointless in open air settings.

Sexual assault is clearly like not wearing a mask

Trudeau is a treacherous authoritarian dictator, terrorist, and a blackface-wearing racist.

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They recently lifted the restrictions on base

Are you free to wear one if you choose to?

Yeah Of course

You can decide to take personal responsibility for your actions but you have no control over the effect they have on other people.

Though the rhetoric around this has not been favorable toward allowing people to make their own decisions.

Good enough for me.

Are you free to wear one if you choose to?

The "You're free to wear a mask if you want!" fallacy of an argument simply screams "I don't know how masks work!"

they can keep their distance or not go out if they choose

The "You're free to wear a mask if you want!" fallacy of an argument simply screams "I don't know how masks work!"