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Full Throttle
02/24/22 10:30:07 PM
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Do you have a problem with the race change for the iconic villain?


As the season finale of Batwoman comes to a close next Wednesday, the Joker is looming large in Gotham City as Nick Creegans character Marquis Jet is on his way to becoming his own version of the series which would make him the first Black Joker!!

A new behind the scenes photo shows a first look of the shows version of the clown prince of crime and not a grainy shot that was seen last night.

The young actor playing creegan, Kendrick Johnson posted a picture of him and the Joker in full costume which isnt a radical departure from what fans know and love and might just be one of the best interpretation of the villains signature look in live action on tv.

We learned last night that Creegans character came face to face with the madman who then used a device to turn creegan into a bloodthirsty killer

Creegan for his part said it was wild ad crazy for him to be the first black joker where just a few weeks ago we had our first Asian Poison Ivy.

His character is the long lost brother of Ryan Wilder who is now trying to save her brother from his psychotic madness with the same device used by the Joker to turn him back but Alice is now fighting for that device to save herself from evil as well.

We will see if Creegan will unveil a Joker look next Wednesday when Batwoman concludes Season 3

Do you have a problem with the race change for the iconic villain?

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JordieJordan
02/24/22 10:30:58 PM
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Why not an Asian Joker? Native American Joker? Arab Joker? Jewish Joker?
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Jx1010
02/24/22 10:31:53 PM
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JordieJordan posted...
Why not an Asian Joker? Native American Joker? Arab Joker? Jewish Joker?
True, asian, native and indian are always left out.

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s0nicfan
02/24/22 10:34:18 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/8/8/AABJX0AAC910.jpg

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Hayame Zero
02/24/22 10:36:26 PM
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Uhhh...

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JordieJordan
02/24/22 10:37:33 PM
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https://youtu.be/yqsFPw3SKoU
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rideshort
02/24/22 10:37:57 PM
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Hayame Zero posted...
Uhhh...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/0/AABfkMAAC912.jpg


^ That. Kevin Michael Richardson did it first.

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Zikten
02/24/22 10:38:31 PM
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Who cares? The real Batwoman left the show

I understand they had no choice and she quit. But they should have recast for the same character. Instead of making up a new fanfic Batwoman
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Slayer_22
02/24/22 10:39:12 PM
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I'm sure someone is going to say it's not due to race, it's because the actor is the best for the role. But honestly? It happens far too frequently for that to be the case. And the same argument wouldn't happen if a Black character was replaced with an Asian one, I'm sure.

Either way, the purple hair looks weird. I think sticking with green is a better choice imo.

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Sada_Pop
02/24/22 10:39:17 PM
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Heads are a'sploding.

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Questionmarktarius
02/24/22 10:40:06 PM
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Cuban Joker is still the best.
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NashtheLion
02/24/22 10:40:30 PM
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There are no Latinos in Gotham :(

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Punished_Blinx
02/24/22 10:40:44 PM
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If that's him in the first picture he looks fine.

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JordieJordan
02/24/22 10:40:58 PM
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NashtheLion posted...
There are no Latinos in Gotham :(



Isn't Bane Brazilian or something? lol.
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FortuneCookie
02/24/22 10:55:26 PM
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I'm in favor of this.

I feel like there's a lack of diversity when it comes to villains. That might sound antithetical to people who think media should focus on positive representation, but villains are often among the most entertaining characters. When the bad guys are always white males, you're essentially make one-third of entertaining characters exclusive to white male actors. And that's with the majority of protagonists being white males.

There's a time for socially conscious bad guys like Killmonger and there's a time to just have a villain who you love to hate.
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Monolith1676
02/24/22 10:58:37 PM
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Where is ginger joker? Gingers are the least represented people in Hollywood.

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ThePrinceFish
02/24/22 10:59:24 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Where is ginger joker? Gingers are the least represented people in Hollywood.
Joker was two gingers in Gotham.

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Materus
02/24/22 11:04:44 PM
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As long as they keep the clown makeup the race of the Joker doesnt really matter.

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SSJGrimReaper
02/24/22 11:06:30 PM
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black two face > black joker

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VandorLee
02/24/22 11:10:13 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/1/AAD1SXAAC92f.jpg

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Monolith1676
02/25/22 12:35:43 AM
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VandorLee posted...
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Looks like Kid has had a rough life.

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lorddrakath1522
02/25/22 2:40:24 AM
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JordieJordan posted...
Isn't Bane Brazilian or something? lol.

Half mexican and don't call brazilians latinos please.
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FaustodeLuna
02/25/22 2:46:40 AM
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This says a lot about society...

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refmon
02/25/22 2:54:31 AM
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JordieJordan posted...
Why not an Asian Joker? Native American Joker? Arab Joker? Jewish Joker?


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nfearurspecimn
02/25/22 2:58:52 AM
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I'm amazed that people have an issue with this.

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02/25/22 3:01:29 AM
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Jx1010 posted...
True, asian, native and indian are always left out.
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Kim_Seong-a
02/25/22 3:50:49 AM
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I don't care what race the Joker is as long as he's wearing the clown makeup lol

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pegusus123456
02/25/22 3:54:32 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
I'm sure someone is going to say it's not due to race, it's because the actor is the best for the role. But honestly? It happens far too frequently for that to be the case. And the same argument wouldn't happen if a Black character was replaced with an Asian one, I'm sure.
In the CW's case, they absolutely made this choice solely for woke points. CW is the only situation I've ever seen where pandering isn't just an alt-right neckbeard myth.

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Smashingpmkns
02/25/22 4:03:19 AM
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That first pic looks like some Spirit Halloween ass costume design lol

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bknight
02/25/22 4:04:26 AM
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MrMallard
02/25/22 4:09:00 AM
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The Joker is literally just some freak in clown makeup who does goofy, grisly crimes with a jester motif, occasionally pairing it with a playing card aesthetic. Race has nothing to do the Joker as a character, anybody can play him if they have the creepy funhouse performance down.

I mean shit, Jared Leto was a caucasian Joker and he was dogshit. Race has nothing to do with this character.

Edit: also, unless I'm misreading it (which I might be, I've been pretty off lately), Duckbear's usual clickbait bullshit outright says that this Creegan character was brainwashed by the actual Joker. So "the Joker" himself is presumably still a white guy, short of them portraying the character sparingly with no concrete details about him. Tim Drake got brainwashed by the Joker in a similar way. There's been plenty of hypnotized Joker lackeys. So we're either talking about something that happens a bunch to different characters, or we're talking about a non-issue where a character renouned for an excessive use of make-up or unintended chemical bleaching of his skin is being portrayed by a black guy.

Like these topics have always been trashy, but I almost feel like Duckbear's news gimmick has been getting a lot more troll-y lately.

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evilpresident
02/25/22 4:12:32 AM
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I mean, isn't it Joker's thing that he has many origin stories and many backgrounds, all of them true and false at the same time?

As long as he has the makeup and acts crazy enough, I don't see how you could have an issue with this.

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Lonestar2000
02/25/22 5:07:48 AM
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Thanks for the unmarked spoilers TC.

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rexcrk
02/25/22 5:51:38 AM
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Anyone who says yes is problematic!!


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Shablagoo
02/25/22 5:55:07 AM
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So hes not actually Joker he just got hit with some Joker toxin or something? It can be hard to parse TCs OPs but thats what Im getting from it.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/25/22 6:00:17 AM
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Its amazing on how the show is still alive but CW going to CW.

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mrduckbear
02/25/22 5:34:02 PM
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it's a tie

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YookaLaylee
02/25/22 5:40:52 PM
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NashtheLion posted...
There are no Latinos in Gotham :(


Renee Montoya

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lolife67
02/25/22 5:43:38 PM
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A lot of you aren't watching the show but I'll just say, it makes absolute sense in-story as to why this new Joker is black.
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lolife67
02/25/22 5:44:27 PM
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Shablagoo posted...
So hes not actually Joker he just got hit with some Joker toxin or something? It can be hard to parse TCs OPs but thats what Im getting from it.
Basically, yes. He's not supposed to be the original character.
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Srk700
02/25/22 5:45:57 PM
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As long as he's not bad like Leto's Joker, I couldn't care less who portrays him.
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UnfairRepresent
02/25/22 5:48:15 PM
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There was sort of a Black joker in Arkham Knight

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Jx1010
02/25/22 7:20:44 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
There was sort of a Black joker in Arkham Knight
There was? U sure?

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TMOG
02/25/22 7:25:45 PM
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They're not race changing anybody. Marquis isn't the actual Joker, he's taking up his mantle as a successor.
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Tenlaar
02/25/22 7:41:50 PM
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How the fuck is this not being deleted for unmarked spoilers? Why do the mods allow this guy to constantly break rules with no consequences?
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Dathrowed1
02/25/22 7:43:16 PM
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JordieJordan posted...
Arab Joker? Jewish Joker?
I think the US already considers those to be "white" people

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pegusus123456
02/26/22 12:22:02 AM
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Jx1010 posted...
There was? U sure?
Yes. In Arkham City, Joker is dying due to injecting himself with Titan in the first game. For a laugh, he blackmailed Hugo Strange into sending his blood to hospitals all over Gotham. Batman managed to find most of them, but four people received transfusions before he could. The blood infected them and made them take on certain Joker traits. One of them was Albert King, a boxer, who became extremely violent. He was black.

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yemmy
02/26/22 12:39:26 AM
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lorddrakath1522 posted...
Half mexican and don't call brazilians latinos please.

Brazilians are Latinos. They aren't Hispanic though. Brazil is definitely a Latin American country.

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UnfairRepresent
02/26/22 10:07:31 AM
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Jx1010 posted...
There was? U sure?
in that game people infected by Jokers blood become the Joker mixed with their own personality. Including Batman

one of these "new Jokers" was a big black boxer

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