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I still can't decide myself after all these years tbh. I'll say somewhere in between.

I think being a child star fucked his brain and made him a weirdo. I wouldn't let my kids hang out over at the ranch because I think he was strange, but I don't think he was a predator.

He had significant emotional issues that were largely the result of his controlling, abusive parents effectively robbing him of a childhood. While some of his behavior being objectively alarming (sleepovers in the same room, etc.), all records point to him just being very eccentric and wanting to genuinely spend time with children, albeit to the extent where some very concerning conclusions could be made.

The fact that his death caused the father of the first accuser to commit suicide out of guilt should speak volumes.

ThePrinceFish posted...

I think being a child star fucked his brain and made him a weirdo. I wouldn't let my kids hang out over at the ranch because I think he was strange, but I don't think he was a predator.

Michael would groom you until you felt safe to leave your kids apparently >_>.

Obviously it wouldn't work now with the reputation. But back then, it's not hard to believe a grown person can make another grown person feel comfortable with that. Look at how much fucked up shit happens with trusted family members. I use to think the parents were idiots. But after looking deeper into it, like yeah, you're not just gonna be paranoid of everyone who seems nice and upfront on the surface. You can't just box your family into a house and not trust anyone. Plus, you're not gonna think the biggest star on the planet is gonna do that. You're not gonna think that the biggest star like Drak.....wait no...like Keanu Reeves is gonna try touching your kids. It just doesn't seem at all logical.

I dont know, and it doesnt really matter. The guys been dead for like 15 years now.

and I dont really feel great about the notion of new accusers coming out after the mans dead and cant defend himself.

I dont want to say theyre lying, but no one has ever really substantiated anything with actual proof.

Dude was crazy, no doubting that.

But he was no child molester, the evidence proved as much.

The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Dude was crazy, no doubting that.

But he was no child molester, the evidence proved as much.

No it didnt.

If anything the one kid providing a detailed description of Jacksons penis and the massive payout he gave to some kids and their parents indicate the opposite is true. Its also been proven he had a massive collection of animal abuse / torture images on his computer as well as files of images of underage people, and gore pics and bdsm shit in the same files.

People are so willfully blind and/or ignorant when it comes to MJ and I dont get it.

If you said it wasnt proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a child predator you'd be correct. But to say he was proven innocent is a huge fucking leap.

He was definitely a weirdo, likely in part due to his childhood/fame and much of his entire life, but nothing was conclusively proven either way.

His music talent is undeniable though.

Creepy fucked up weirdo that probably didn't molest kids, but definitely should not be allowed near them.

OVERGOATED posted...

Probably on his shoulders or something i dunno weird question

At this point probably on his stomach he can't stand anymore

He's innocent, a flawed human being that had no real childhood.

CanuckCowboy posted...

No it didnt.

If anything the one kid providing a detailed description of Jacksons penis and the massive payout he gave to some kids and their parents indicate the opposite is true. Its also been proven he had a massive collection of animal abuse / torture images on his computer as well as files of images of underage people, and gore pics and bdsm shit in the same files.

People are so willfully blind and/or ignorant when it comes to MJ and I dont get it.

If you said it wasnt proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a child predator you'd be correct. But to say he was proven innocent is a huge fucking leap.

I havent really paid much attention to this topic other than the standard child molestation accusations, so I cant say anything. But a kid giving a detailed description of his dick?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/8/AAPV5JAACzQK.jpg

I have no idea if the allegations are true or false. The thing that makes one think they are true is the same thing that would make him a perfect target for scammers. Dude was just weird.

YugiNoob posted...

I havent really paid much attention to this topic other than the standard child molestation accusations, so I cant say anything. But a kid giving a detailed description of his dick?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/8/AAPV5JAACzQK.jpg

Yep.

4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jacksons penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jacksons genitalia. The photographs matched Chandlers drawings.

I can't say for certain I think he was a molester, but I can say I wouldn't have recommended anyone leave their child alone with him...

Certainly nothing is certain, but why would the guy build a house that was basically secret rooms and passageways? Its crazy how this is never brought up.

BilalPowell posted...

At this point probably on his stomach he can't stand anymore

It depends on the geometry of the casket and headstone, unless he was cremated or something.

Neck

He's obviously not just a good guy. His weirdo sleepovers with kids were well documented. Maybe you don't think he fucked them but he definitely crossed some lines.

CanuckCowboy posted...

No it didnt.

If anything the one kid providing a detailed description of Jacksons penis and the massive payout he gave to some kids and their parents indicate the opposite is true. Its also been proven he had a massive collection of animal abuse / torture images on his computer as well as files of images of underage people, and gore pics and bdsm shit in the same files.

People are so willfully blind and/or ignorant when it comes to MJ and I dont get it.

If you said it wasnt proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a child predator you'd be correct. But to say he was proven innocent is a huge fucking leap.

-Kid gave an inaccurate description of his penis. That's according to official documents from the case in question.
-That "massive payout" was 2 percent of his net worth at the time. Only reason he paid was because the damage was done and people like yourself have been putting out "what if" scenarios non stop for like 2 decades.
-The FBI comes out every few years to publicly state that they believe he was innocent and have been doing so for. a while.

InTheEyesOfFire posted...

Certainly nothing is certain, but why would the guy build a house that was basically secret rooms and passageways? Its crazy how this is never brought up.

I did not know about that, but to be fair if I had millions of dollars and made my own house I'd have a secret passageway and room just because it would be cool and also to hide my valuable stuff

We'll never know. But the only reason he has as much benefit of the doubt is because he's MJ. Guy put an alarm on his bedroom door. He pretended to be feeble during his court case and immediately started dancing on top of a car when he got an innocent verdict. People often say he had the mentality of a child but was a shark when it came to business which we saw with how he nabbed the Beatles discography.

I certainly wouldn't trust him with my children if he was alive.

Sczoyd posted...

I did not know about that, but to be fair if I had millions of dollars and made my own house I'd have a secret passageway and room just because it would be cool and also to hide my valuable stuff

Well yeah me too. But you wouldnt bring kids by yourself through it right? Or at least see how strange that could be.

The only thing he seems guilty of is being a man child, and might have been a precursor to cancel culture in hindsight. He was strange, but that's what abusive parents can do to you. He wasn't very street smart either.

If investigators were ever gonna find anything on him it would have been when they raided the ranch when he was on tour, but I don't recall them finding shit.

He picked some of traces of his dad's manipulation though.

I have a little bit of sympathy, but I'm unsure if he did anything inappropriate.

The people who did leaving Neverland was found to have lied up as the ass. And people still try to use that to shit on MJ name. Fuck them. MJ was great.

Edited to add.

It is so funny even in this topic with out 28 posting . There is a shit load of just information that is wrong.

great singer, probably a pedophile, still like his music though.

Makeveli_lives posted...

-Kid gave an inaccurate description of his penis. That's according to official documents from the case in question.
-That "massive payout" was 2 percent of his net worth at the time. Only reason he paid was because the damage was done and people like yourself have been putting out "what if" scenarios non stop for like 2 decades.
-The FBI comes out every few years to publicly state that they believe he was innocent and have been doing so for. a while.

Yea,I was gonna say I've never looked into the case to verify, but I heard the kid's description ended up being wrong.

Honestly, testimony between these kids not matching up points to coaching from parents as kids don't know this shit. And let's be real - if wacko jacko wanted a minor he could do the shit jared did, and go international to do do it.

Hate to say it, but people never wanna bring it up. >_>

InTheEyesOfFire posted...

Well yeah me too. But you wouldnt bring kids by yourself through it right? Or at least see how strange that could be.

Oh hells no.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/5/AAZOwTAAC7RF.jpg

Those parents were seeing dollar signs and most likely let the kids stay there to set him up. Regardless of Jackson's intentions, imagine how creepy it must have been for the kids to share a room or bed with him and the parents didn't care as long as they got paid.

CanuckCowboy posted...

No it didnt.

If anything the one kid providing a detailed description of Jacksons penis and the massive payout he gave to some kids and their parents indicate the opposite is true. Its also been proven he had a massive collection of animal abuse / torture images on his computer as well as files of images of underage people, and gore pics and bdsm shit in the same files.

People are so willfully blind and/or ignorant when it comes to MJ and I dont get it.

If you said it wasnt proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a child predator you'd be correct. But to say he was proven innocent is a huge fucking leap.

SO much this. He's a fucking creep and I hate how so many people just don't give a damn.

he did it.

wasn't someone able to describe his dick accurately?

pauIie posted...

he did it.

wasn't someone able to describe his dick accurately?

No

pauIie posted...

he did it.

wasn't someone able to describe his dick accurately?

What would be so different about his dick that a kid could differentiate it from other dicks? Unless it was tatted up or deformed

pfh1001 posted...

SO much this. He's a fucking creep and I hate how so many people just don't give a damn.

Most of that is untrue so it seem that you are the one who doesn't give a damn.

LeoRavus posted...

What would be so different about his dick that a kid could differentiate it from other dicks? Unless it was tatted up or deformed

Circumcised Vs not, birth marks, is it bleached like his skin, etc. The account given was proven false is all anybody needs to know honestly.

Shit, I had no idea about the tortured animals, bdsm, naked children, etc pics he kept. Has that been confirmed? Makes him more scary than creepy.

His grave.

He might not have molested any kids but he crossed boundaries no adult should have. It's bad his childhood was destroyed by his parents, but he had the resources for therapy and the like. The sleepover things especially are just... disturbing.

Twisted, far too talented man who died before his time and the void in the industry has yet to be filled in his absence.

Eat More Beef posted...

His grave.

Oh how hard, and edgy you are sir. Do you wear sunglasses in doors, and leather in 90 degree weather too?

pretty creepy, but probably not a predator

you're allowed to enjoy his music and aren't allowed to deny his accomplishments though, because you separate the artist from the art

Kloe_Rinz posted...

pretty creepy, but probably not a predator

you're allowed to enjoy his music and aren't allowed to deny his accomplishments though, because you separate the artist from the art

There's a limit to this though. Atleast for me. What if Hitler was an accomplished music composer, painter, or poet on the side, could you still enjoy his work? I guess the answer vastly varies there.

Regardless, yeah, I think Bad is one of the great albums of all time, and blows Thriller away like a nuclear bomb.

ThePrinceFish posted...

I think being a child star fucked his brain and made him a weirdo. I wouldn't let my kids hang out over at the ranch because I think he was strange, but I don't think he was a predator.

I agree up to he wasn't a predator. I'm undecided on that. Still think it's fucked up parents allowed their kids to be with him unsupervised though. I mean even with someone "normal" I'd be uncomfortable. He wasn't normal

Phenomenal singer and dancer

Sheiky-Baby posted...

Oh how hard, and edgy you are sir. Do you wear sunglasses in doors, and leather in 90 degree weather too?

I wear sunglasses at night