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Master Kazuya
01/04/22 9:50:27 AM
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Shotgunnova
01/04/22 10:15:34 AM
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Batman: I don't kill my enemies.
Oswald Cobblepot: Maybe that's why you have so many of 'em?

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Heartomaton
01/04/22 10:31:23 AM
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Batman has done worse things than killing.

I present to you the punishment he laid down upon an enemy called Lord Death Man.

Lord Death Man's power was that he would always resurrect after being killed.

What did Batman do to him?

He dropped him off a skyscraper.

Had Catwoman run him over with a truck.

Stuffed his broken body into a safe.

Launched the safe into the depths of space.

Thus leaving Lord Death Man to continually resurrect and die in a small metal box for the rest of eternity.

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Umbreon
01/04/22 10:33:39 AM
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Cool, but he probably should have killed The Joker.

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pinky0926
01/04/22 10:37:51 AM
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I think it's pretty lame, to be honest.

For one thing because it's such a simple maxim and he applies it universally, he seems to have no actual sense of justice or rational behind his actions beyond it. So he'll lock up the Joker in the world's most unreliable prison and then the Joker will get out and go quite literally genocidal. But Batman is ok, because he didn't break his golden rule right?

Meanwhile he will send some low level street thief into total paraplegia over a stolen handbag. I mean he could have used his wealth to actually help the economic crisis in Gotham but nevermind, the important thing is he didn't break the golden rule, right?

I love Batman but ever since I read Watchmen I just can't unsee how literally insane "man dressed as bat" is.

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ElatedVenusaur
01/04/22 10:46:36 AM
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It's dumb. It's the exact kind of stupid, hard-and-fast rule a traumatized billionaire playboy would come up with to emphasize his moral superiority while he pounds a bunch of faceless poors into a bloody pulp and dump his actual antagonists in a mental asylum that's as secure as a public park.

Heartomaton posted...
Batman has done worse things than killing.

I present to you the punishment he laid down upon an enemy called Lord Death Man.

Lord Death Man's power was that he would always resurrect after being killed.

What did Batman do to him?

He dropped him off a skyscraper.

Had Catwoman run him over with a truck.

Stuffed his broken body into a safe.

Launched the safe into the depths of space.

Thus leaving Lord Death Man to continually resurrect and die in a small metal box for the rest of eternity.
And then he goes and does genuinely evil stuff like this and just shrugs and says, "Well, I didn't kill him, so I'm not a sadistic monster."

I think it makes him a better character, because it emphasizes he's just an idiot with an infinite budget for cool tech gadgets.

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Were_Wyrm
01/04/22 10:49:51 AM
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There's a reason Bruce owns a bunch of hospitals instead of mortuaries, repeat customers.

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Liu_Kano
01/04/22 11:02:00 AM
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He fudges his own rule though. "I'm not gonna kill you, but I don't have to save you! Later chump!" *boom*
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Doe
01/04/22 11:04:21 AM
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It's lame if it's because "I'll become just like them!"

It's cool if it's because he believes in the innate ability for redemption in all people

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pinky0926
01/04/22 11:04:28 AM
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The combat in the Arkham games really cements this point home, too. You don't kill anyone per se, but you can't convince me that Batman sending his knee through someone's back until their spine resembles a horseshoe is gonna be a "walk it off" kind of injury.

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Ruvan22
01/04/22 11:19:03 AM
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Doe posted...
It's lame if it's because "I'll become just like them!"

It's cool if it's because he believes in the innate ability for redemption in all people

I feel the DCAU really highlighted it as the latter, the BTAS episode "I am the night" and "It's never too late", the JL episode "A better world", and JLU episode "Epilogue"
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cjsdowg
01/04/22 11:20:05 AM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Batman: I don't kill my enemies.
Oswald Cobblepot: Maybe that's why you have so many of 'em?

Didn't Owlman say that.

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Juhanor
01/04/22 11:20:24 AM
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40s Batman is best Batman
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cjsdowg
01/04/22 11:21:23 AM
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Liu_Kano posted...
He fudges his own rule though. "I'm not gonna kill you, but I don't have to save you! Later chump!" *boom*

He killed a lot of people in those movies. Literally he killed the guy in the temple that he said he didn't want to kill.

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JimmyFraska
01/04/22 11:21:46 AM
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I mean most of the time, when it comes to the highest level of enemies, Batman doesn't seem to have a problem when the stakes are at their highest. So overall I don't mind it....

BUT, I actually do enjoy a brutal punisher style Batman that isn't afraid to kill, personally.
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Nemu
01/04/22 11:32:47 AM
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Its stupidly forced. If they actually showed him struggling with extreme mental issues caused by PTSD from the shooting, it could at least help make it feel real, but otherwise it just feels like theyre just using it as a crutch.
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Xavier_On_High
01/04/22 11:35:59 AM
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Dramatically, it's a good character trait. It isn't supposed to make sense. Batman is clearly severely unhinged and barely one of the "good guys", that's the point.

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Xavier_On_High
01/04/22 11:36:56 AM
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Nemu posted...
Its stupidly forced. If they actually showed him struggling with extreme mental issues caused by PTSD from the shooting, it could at least help make it feel real, but otherwise it just feels like theyre just using it as a crutch.

Dressing up as a bat and going out and beating up random thugs is basically how his PTSD manifests.

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masterpug53
01/04/22 11:39:15 AM
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It varies between depictions. I think it works best in Batman TAS because, iirc, it's just implied; never this hardline rule that gets announced repeatedly like, say, in the Nolan trilogy. It's been awhile since I've watched the series, but one of the few times I remember it even coming up was the Batman robo-clone choosing to destroy itself over the system shock of having taken a life. TAS also features the 'ideal' version of Batman wherein he doesn't have that holy war-level hatred of criminals, often pulling his punches and even displaying sympathy / understanding for villains who aren't beyond redemption; so the inherent hypocrisy of him beating the shit out of poor people isn't nearly as glaring as it is in other depictions.

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IShall_Run_Amok
01/04/22 11:39:32 AM
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I'm almost 40, so I don't mind it unless it starts trying to get me to take it seriously, then its pretty cringe.

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Kitt
01/04/22 11:51:36 AM
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It can be really lame and stupid a lot of the times.


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ElatedVenusaur
01/04/22 11:52:40 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
It varies between depictions. I think it works best in Batman TAS because, iirc, it's just implied; never this hardline rule that gets announced repeatedly like, say, in the Nolan trilogy. It's been awhile since I've watched the series, but one of the few times I remember it even coming up was the Batman robo-clone choosing to destroy itself over the system shock of having taken a life. TAS also features the 'ideal' version of Batman wherein he doesn't have that holy war-level hatred of criminals, often pulling his punches and even displaying sympathy / understanding for villains who aren't beyond redemption; so the inherent hypocrisy of him beating the shit out of poor people isn't nearly as glaring as it is in other depictions.
Yeah, TAS handles it well, because its more a part of a personal commitment to avoid excessive force and rooted in a (sometimes naive, when you consider the Joker) belief in the inherent goodness of humanity.

Under the Red Hood also engages with it in a great way (and also does a great job of mirroring it in Ras) The Red Hood, who is the resurrected Jason Todd, lays into Batman for letting the Joker continue to live after what the Joker did to him. I dont remember the details since its been years since I saw it, but it absolutely lives up the hype even without Mark Hamill.

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Shotgunnova
01/04/22 11:54:27 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Didn't Owlman say that.
No, Penguin said it (or something like it) in one of the Telltale games.

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Kitt
01/04/22 11:56:54 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
The combat in the Arkham games really cements this point home, too. You don't kill anyone per se, but you can't convince me that Batman sending his knee through someone's back until their spine resembles a horseshoe is gonna be a "walk it off" kind of injury.
Yeah, it's super dumb.

I'm not going to end you, but I will beat you within an inch of your life and let the medical bills kill you financially.


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Heartomaton
01/04/22 11:57:59 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Under the Red Hood also engages with it in a great way (and also does a great job of mirroring it in Ras) The Red Hood, who is the resurrected Jason Todd, lays into Batman for letting the Joker continue to live after what the Joker did to him. I dont remember the details since its been years since I saw it, but it absolutely lives up the hype even without Mark Hamill.

Fun and unrelated fact: Jensen Ackles of Supernatural fame voiced Jason Todd in that movie, and Supernatural references this a few times.

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Southernfatman
01/04/22 12:18:14 PM
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Dumb. Gotham doesn't need Batman.

It needs The Punisher.

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Doe
01/04/22 12:26:38 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
Dumb. Gotham doesn't need Batman.

It needs The Punisher.
I hope you're not a cop

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Ving_Rhames
01/04/22 12:30:06 PM
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Mostly lame.

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Southernfatman
01/04/22 12:31:07 PM
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Doe posted...
I hope you're not a cop

No and we are talking about fiction here. Besides, what good is it to not take out mass murderer like The Joker? While it's mostly a failing of the justice system, Batman has some blame as well.

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Doe
01/04/22 12:34:35 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
No and we are talking about fiction here. Besides, what good is it to not take out mass murderer like The Joker? While it's mostly a failing of the justice system, Batman has some blame as well.
The thing is that it's an unintentional side effect of the same superhero's stories going on longer than the typical person's whole life span. The vast majority of people Batman fights do not deserve to die.

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Southernfatman
01/04/22 12:45:44 PM
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Doe posted...
The thing is that it's an unintentional side effect of the same superhero's stories going on longer than the typical person's whole life span. The vast majority of people Batman fights do not deserve to die.

Yeah it's a meta thing, but it became an in universe thing. Most probably don't, but the mass murdering supervillains do.

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gamer167
01/04/22 12:46:11 PM
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he a bitch
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buddhamonster
01/04/22 12:53:51 PM
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I feel as though as a background rule, it works. Fighting general thugs and crime bosses, even ones as extreme as Joker (at least, in most cases), and it's more or less fine. It's when you try to contrive the absolute worst case scenario, then drag it out in the plot. Like it's the most critical thing ever that Hitler 2.0 with super powers can then be redeemed with a few months in Arkham, that's when the rule becomes silly.

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pikachupwnage
01/04/22 1:27:49 PM
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Doe posted...
The thing is that it's an unintentional side effect of the same superhero's stories going on longer than the typical person's whole life span. The vast majority of people Batman fights do not deserve to die.

Yeah. Many are petty criminals or legit mentally ill or occasionally an exploited super powered child.

Harley was manipulated and abused by the joker and Eventualy goes straight and has a family


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Gobstoppers12
01/04/22 1:33:47 PM
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It works because it's not objectively correct. It's a character trait of his that is constantly questioned and analyzed by stories involving the character.

It's easy for us to say "just kill the Joker, he's super evil," but it's significantly more interesting to ask "why doesn't he just kill the Joker?"

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