Current Events > RDR2 feels so sloooooooow.

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Every little task and mission feels stretched out and Arthur controls like hes underwater.

I get that they were going for realism and immersion or whatever but the reason I play video games is because real life mundane activities are boring and time consuming to complete.

Thats kinda how I felt. Fun, but definitely held back by the realism.

lejonbrames posted...

I get that they were going for realism and immersion or whatever but the reason I play video games is because real life mundane activities are boring and time consuming to complete.

Then do more research on the games before you buy them. You should of known what RDR2 was by now. It's definitely on you. I'd get you if it was marketed as a straight up action game and then threw this all in and it wasn't 3 years after it was already out

Its only bad when you have to get through camp

BroodRyu posted...

Thats kinda how I felt. Fun, but definitely held back by the realism.

Yeah. Right around when I learned I needy to keep changing his clothes depending on the environment or some kind of stamina potential would go down I was like "oh wow this is a lot of micromanagement for a game where the combat is basically spray n pray I don't know if I want to think about this that hard". RDR 1 was great because it was a sandbox where I could do anything, ecen summon another horse if my idiocy got it killed hilariously. Bit suddenly the sandbox has too many rules.

It's taken me about 2.5 years and I'm at 93% so far. Hopefully I'll finish it sometime this month.

It is slow just like most Rockstar games. The characters are too overanimated and move around like irl

lejonbrames posted...

real life mundane activities are boring

just wait till they you to shovel shit in the game.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Then do more research on the games before you buy them. You should of known what RDR2 was by now. It's definitely on you.

What is the point of these sentences? Am I not allowed to criticize the game just because I chose to purchase it? Also I wish the internet would pick a stance, I thought Fuck these bought reviews, play it for yourself and make up your own mind was the cool mentality to have.

Yeah thats why it sucks and is a chore to play through

AsucaHayashi posted...

just wait till they you to shovel shit in the game.

Yep. These clowns somehow made shoveling horse s*** in a video game more annoying that shoveling horse s*** in real life.

Well that's where putting graphics and processing power over gameplay as well as judging a game based on the length of an average playthrough compared to its price tag will get you.
The slower you're forced to walk in those exposition segments, the better value for money these people think.

lejonbrames posted...

Fuck these bought reviews, play it for yourself and make up your own mind was the cool mentality to have.

Not even close to what I implied. I was implying you watch gameplay videos or breakdowns and jusge for yourself if it's a game that sounds like playing. There's a lot of youtubers out there that objectively break down games without forcing their stance on you.
lejonbrames posted...

What is the point of these sentences? Am I not allowed to criticize the game just because I chose to purchase it?

You are. In the same way Im allowed to call out your situation being avoidable by doing minimum research first.

I fucking loved RDR1 so much. I havent played it in almost 10 years but I definitely remember it feeling much more streamlined and like youre only ever doing fun, necessary stuff.

Am I misremembering it? I dont remember a fucking health and stamina and dead eye core on top of the fucking gauges and all these gauges for my horse and all this resource gathering piece by piece in every building and on every person.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

In the same way Im allowed to call out your situation being avoidable by doing minimum research first.

So is it universally agreed that the game sucks compared to the first one or just some peoples opinions?

lejonbrames posted...

So is it universally agreed that the game sucks compared to the first one or just some peoples opinions?

No game is universally agreed on about anything >_>. There's this thing called preferences we humans tend to have. You didn't do the research to make sure the game you were buying catered to your preferences.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You didn't do the research to make sure the game you were buying catered to your preferences.

Ah, sounds like you (somehow) enjoy these things and are trying to defend them by acting like its the fault of the consumer for not liking them, rather than those things simply being bad and unfun compared to the first one.

lejonbrames posted...

is it universally agreed that the game sucks compared to the first one

pretty much

Rdr1 is a great game, rdr2 is boring drivel even the online is terrible. Arthur Morgan sucks as a protagonist he's so fucking boring I quit playing mid game because it was a slog to get through. The graphics are phenominal, attention to detail and A.I are great though.

People who can't appreciate the relative slow down are whack to a certain degree

lejonbrames posted...

Ah, sounds like you (somehow) enjoy these things and are trying to defend them by acting like its the fault of the consumer for not liking them, rather than those things simply being bad and unfun compared to the first one.

And it seems like you can't accept that some people are cool with games being a lil more mundane if it's all a piece of a bigger picture. You can't understand the difference between objective and subjective

Yeah, but it gets better.

Yep. Too slow. It had its moments but by the tail end of the game I had my fill. Just an absolute slog at times.

lejonbrames posted...

So is it universally agreed that the game sucks compared to the first one or just some peoples opinions?

It's just some people's opinions. Both games are rated about the same by objective measurements. Which you prefer is completely subjective.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

And it seems like you can't accept that some people are cool with games being a lil more mundane

There are plenty of things that I think are batshit insane (like the idea of wanting a boring game) but I just live and let live. Doesnt mean I cant acknowledge it having now played the game.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

People who can't appreciate the relative slow down

This sounds like something id see in Rockstars board meeting about the game. Its not boring, its relative slowdown.

lejonbrames posted...

I fucking loved RDR1 so much. I havent played it in almost 10 years but I definitely remember it feeling much more streamlined and like youre only ever doing fun, necessary stuff.

Am I misremembering it? I dont remember a fucking health and stamina and dead eye core on top of the fucking gauges and all these gauges for my horse and all this resource gathering piece by piece in every building and on every person.

No, that's new to RDR2. I can't remember the system for 1. Wasn't 1 the screen just kept filling with blood spatter?

Mibahlzitch posted...

Yeah. Right around when I learned I needy to keep changing his clothes depending on the environment or some kind of stamina potential would go down I was like "oh wow this is a lot of micromanagement for a game where the combat is basically spray n pray I don't know if I want to think about this that hard". RDR 1 was great because it was a sandbox where I could do anything, ecen summon another horse if my idiocy got it killed hilariously. Bit suddenly the sandbox has too many rules.

If you think this is bad look at MGS3 Snake Eater. You need to change all your clothes every time you take a few steps (sometimes)

lejonbrames posted...

There are plenty of things that I think are batshit insane (like the idea of wanting a boring game) but I just live and let live. Doesnt mean I cant acknowledge it having now played the game.

We can just agree that we feel different about the game at this point. That's all this is and neither of us seem to want to get immature enough to blow it up lol.

RDR2 is unplayable for me

one of the most tedious games I've ever played

Honestly I liked that about it. The mundane moments were what really elevated the overall experience and made it feel more simulation-like and not just like a game. Tbh I would have preferred they take a harder line on that type of stuff, but I think they had to strike the right balance in order to still market it as a AAA game and not a niche title

I feel like I'm a rare type of rdr2 player but I put about 40 hours into it without ever finishing chapter 3 and explored every inch of the map (that I could) and got my fill of all the game loops it had to offer, from trade to wagons to hunting to bounty hunting to fishing.

I have absolutely 0% interest in completing the next 25+ hours of story missions let alone new side quests that will pop up, so I uninstalled it before ever finishing C3. There's an exhausting amount of dialog, banter, and tertiary animations for literally everything that makes Arthur control like a cow in a shopping cart on ice.

That's the thing with modern r*. Polished, high production values but utterly boring most of the time.

CommunismFTW posted...

I feel like I'm a rare type of rdr2 player but I put about 40 hours into it without ever finishing chapter 3 and explored every inch of the map (that I could) and got my fill of all the game loops it had to offer

You don't gotta do mich research to find out how much of a bad take this is either. You're a rare type alright....

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You don't gotta do mich research to find out how much of a bad take this is either. You're a rare type alright....

I know where the story goes, I got a lot of fun out of exploring the world and doing everything I wanted to and had no interest in slogging through any more than I did.

CommunismFTW posted...

I know where the story goes, I got a lot of fun out of exploring the world and doing everything I wanted to and had no interest in slogging through any more than I did.

Which is cool. But the way you phrased it made it sound like a strike against the game. You experienced all YOU wanted to. Not all the game had to offer.

I like it and find it very immersive, which I feel they were really making it a main goal to get the player immersed in the world. It can be a bit clunky sometimes mainly with the weapon wheel and horses, but overall I love the game.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

But the way you phrased it made it sound like a strike against the game.

Heaven forbid! God we get it youre a fanboy.

Anyway the good news is I discovered that RDR1 is available for purchase on Series X and an hour in im already reminded why it was so much better and am looking forward to gaming bliss.

lejonbrames posted...

Heaven forbid!

Your problem with me seems to be that I give context to the misleading things people are saying. You shouldn't be emotionally invested in hating a game. It's one my favorite games. So, at least it makes sense for me to be invested in correcting misleading information. I don't want people who also don't do research like you, taking the misleading comments you guys make and having that be their insight on it. You yourself are proof that even 3 years later, not everyone really has insight on the game.

Edit: Yup, Im a fan of the game Im defending. Good read on me. You got some x ray vision on you.

One of the rare cases in gaming where overemphasis on physics and realism override fun factor.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

It's one my favorite games.

That much was clear from your first post, which is why your dismissal of any and every flaw has little credibility.

Seems like pretty much everyone besides you ITT agrees with my assessment, does that count as me doing research?

lejonbrames posted...

That much was clear from your first post, which is why your dismissal of any and every flaw has little credibility.

Seems like pretty much everyone besides you ITT agrees with my assessment, does that count as me doing research?

No. It counts as you having confirmation bias. Since you think a topic baiting negative comments overwrites all the actual reviews and status of the game lol. Also, I like how you say I have dismissal of all it's problems when we never actually talked about the game in any real way. We been stuck on you not being able to accept an apposing view point. Because you're easily convinced a game that won a bunch of awards is bad because you found a few people who agree with you lol.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

It counts as you having confirmation bias.

I didnt tell these people to say what theyre saying, I couldve been met with overwhelming disagreement. Instead its everyone pretty much reaffirming my thoughts and, well, you.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

We been stuck on you not being able to accept an apposing view point.

People wanting their games to be boring and slow is a new viewpoint for me, but I shall understand and accept it from now on. Im one of those old school people that wants their games to always be fun.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Because you're easily convinced a game that won a bunch of awards is vad because you found a few people who agree with you lol

So the research only counts if it supports that slow, boring gameplay is a good thing? Again, I didnt know what anyone else was gonna say, seems like the general consensus is that you are the outlier here, not me. And this opposing preference you have is simply defending the bad game design of a game you love.

RDR2 is one of the best games of last gen. The level of immersion and attention to detail it has is basically unmatched

lejonbrames posted...

People wanting their games to be boring and slow is a new viewpoint for me, but I shall understand and accept it from now on. Im one of those old school people that wants their games to always be fun

Coincidentally, I was the same way until I researched RDR2 and prepared myself for a slow drawn out experience. I wasn't even gonna buy it until a couple days leading up to it, when I thought all the minor detail information coming out was interesting. It led me to be more patient if I'm prepared for a similar game. Like, not having combat in TLoU2 for the first hour is fine if you prepare for it. But it's tedious as hell if you're putting on a game to get to the action. It's just a matter of trying to take it in like you would a movie. But there's definitely nothing wrong with being a gamer that wants a game to be a game and a movie to be a movie. But for people who like games to give them a movie like experience, we have games like this. I use to see walking sections as a plague. But now it's cool of it's got good lore and story telling going with it. Give you some environment to analyze.

Anyway, this conversation is pointless because ive now purchased and am playing the far superior RDR1, so I wont need to play or discuss RDR2 any further. It was only 10 bucks so no big deal.

Infinite 2003 posted...

RDR2 is one of the best games of last gen. The level of immersion and attention to detail it has is basically unmatched

I remember sitting down at camp and it was raining, and everyone was drinking and dancing and having a good time. The conversation among everybody just kept going into the wee hours of the night and some went to bed and others stayed up and bullshitted with each other. I probably had Arthur sit there (in reality time) for like half an hour/hour listening and watching.

And this is a video game. Like its insane the amount of work that went into every little detail.

Ryven posted...

I remember sitting down at camp and it was raining, and everyone was drinking and dancing and having a good time. The conversation among everybody just kept going into the wee hours of the night and some went to bed and others stayed up and bullshitted with each other. I probably had Arthur sit there (in reality time) for like half an hour/hour listening and watching.

And this is a video game. Like its insane the amount of work that went into every little detail.

i feel like this is what the opinion on the game comes down to.

everyone says they like immersion and shit but the ones who like this game really do and the ones who dont think they like it or like super small amounts of immersion.

thats how it always comes off to me at least. I liked RDR2 cause it felt like a living breathing world so all the tedious shit didnt bother me so much. Most games I plow through or just ride the action fun part because the worlds boring as fuck so it never tricks me into being immersed.