Current Events > DoorDash employee making $400k furious he has to deliver food.

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CableZL posted...

I could understand the argument against this if the C-level executives weren't doing it and the lower level employees all had to do it...

But if even the CEO is doing it, the engineer can get over him or herself and do it, too.

Almost every software developer/engineer that i've worked with has been at least a little bit of a prima donna, at worst they're self important asshole who thinks their shit dont stink.

Fuck em

CableZL posted...

Eh, I think if I was making $400k and had to do a single delivery a month... I don't think it would be a big deal for me

What if you were making $400k but every other company in the city offered that too and you lived in the freaking Bay Area where the cost of living is astronomical. And you had people messaging you daily wanting you to work for their company. You guys are thinking of this through your own personal bubble and not looking at the bigger picture.

Maybe it was fine when everyone was commuting every day and were already out and about. But these devs have had it cushy for the last 2 years working in their jammies.

You can tell who here doesn't work a STEM job if they think this is remotely acceptable.

Cleo_II posted...

What if you were making $400k but every other company in the city offered that too and you lived in the freaking Bay Area where the cost of living is astronomical. And you had people messaging you daily wanting you to work for their company. You guys are thinking of this through your own personal bubble and not looking at the bigger picture.

Maybe it was fine when everyone was commuting every day and were already out and about. But these devs have had it cushy for the last 2 years working in their jammies.

It's a developer for a phone app...and not a unique or remarkable one at that. They can be replaced instantly. It's not like they need the cream of the crop talent to write this kinda stuff.

Cleo_II posted...

What if you were making $400k but every other company in the city offered that too and you lived in the freaking Bay Area where the cost of living is astronomical. And you had people messaging you daily wanting you to work for their company. You guys are thinking of this through your own personal bubble and not looking at the bigger picture.

Maybe it was fine when everyone was commuting every day and were already out and about. But these devs have had it cushy for the last 2 years working in their jammies.

• If you don't have a problem with it, do it.
• If you have a problem with it, then find another job that doesn't require you to do it.

I think if I applied to work at Door Dash, that policy would have become known at some point during the hiring process. If I tried it out, ended up hating doing it, and the policy remained, then I'd probably just leave for another company if I had the option.

I don't really care if they continue to work at Door Dash or leave. No skin off my back.

what a bunch of fucking crybabies lol

waaahhhh i have to deliver a meal in my lexus, waaaahhhhh it's going to get steam moisture on the upholstery, waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

CableZL posted...

I could understand the argument against this if the C-level executives weren't doing it and the lower level employees all had to do it...

But if even the CEO is doing it, the engineer can get over him or herself and do it, too.

Also this

People who live in the Bay area really need to get over themselves lol

Because really... There are a lot of companies out there where the c-level executives set "company values" and shit, but don't follow it at all themselves. I've seen that far too often. But if the c-level executives say that one of their company values is that they'll all help out with deliveries at least once a month and the c-level executives are leading by example...

Eh

If I wanted to work at Door Dash, I'd do it.

pogo_rabid posted...

It's a developer for a phone app...and not a unique or remarkable one at that. They can be replaced instantly. It's not like they need the cream of the crop talent to write this kinda stuff.

See this is where CE really talks out of their ass. Lmao at thinking its instant. With finding competent candidates, having them go through the interview process, offer negotiations, etc, youre looking at a couple of months to replace a senior engineer. And thats if the recruiter is decent and aggressive at finding people. The tech market is a shit show competing for candidates right now. They have so many options. Every time I go to make an offer, they have 3-4 other offers on the table. Just because you think their app is nbd doesnt mean theyre not talented. They wouldnt be paying $400k if they were shit.

Cleo, is your husband like a software engineer or something? Why simp so hard for Doordash engineers?

I am also of the mind that the policy should remain suspended because the pandemic is most certainly not over. There isn't really a good reason to send more employees out in public right now since the omicron variant is spreading like wildfire.

In the far majority of circumstances if a company is paying you 400k another one will too. They're not a generous company paying you that for no reason. There's no reason to be loyal to a company if you feel like something is an inconvenience.

MutantJohn posted...

Cleo, is your husband like a software engineer or something? Why simp so hard for Doordash engineers?

Im a technical recruiter. I talk to a dozen engineers a week and this is my area of expertise. Im not simping for anyone. Im explaining the context that the average user here doesnt know. DD is risking losing their talent and I dont believe it has anything to do with philanthropy. They want a few thousand people to do deliveries every month because its a few thousand dashers they dont have to pay every month. The employees donate their tips to charity to maybe feel good. But its all about DDs bottom line.

This might be one of the few times Cleos take is utter horseshit.

Cleo_II posted...

What if you were making $400k but every other company in the city offered that too and you lived in the freaking Bay Area where the cost of living is astronomical. And you had people messaging you daily wanting you to work for their company.

Then go there.

What is your complaint? If you dont want to drive once a month, then leave. Who cares?

Seems reasonable and a good practice. Chic Fil A has a similar measure where owners work every position for a time.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

This might be one of the few times Cleos take is utter horseshit.

Then go there.

What is your complaint? If you dont want to drive once a month, then leave. Who cares?

Lol my so called horseshit take is based on years of direct industry experience. But CE will argue about stuff they know absolutely nothing about regardless. I dont recall having a complaint? Im very happy with the news because I hate DD and can poach their people. Im educating people about things they dont understand and am getting shit for it. Part of the reason I stopped posting here so much.

My previous job did a similar thing. I think it's a good practice to humble higher ups in those positions. Everyone including the CEO did it. But that was before covid and I don't think it's a good idea right now

Frostshock posted...

You can tell who here doesn't work a STEM job if they think this is remotely acceptable.

Its more than acceptable. Get off your lazy butt and do some real work.

I actually am a software engineer.

Personally, I think it's a good philosophy to have everyone in the company do food delivery.

Otherwise, you get this weird "I'm too good to be a Dasher" attitude and that's pretty toxic.

It is a serving of humble pie and some devs will get their panties in a twist about it and probably leave. That's fine. I'm sure DoorDash execs understand and are willing to let those people go.

Slaya4 posted...

My previous job did a similar thing. I think it's a good practice to humble higher ups in those positions. Everyone including the CEO did it. But that was before covid and I don't think it's a good idea right now

Any good company will have all the higher ups do this. Knowing the basics of your company is well the basics

You know you work for a shit company when the upper management needs to be told how stuff works by people 4 rungs below them

CE: raw raw raw

Person with actual knowledge: Well heres some context and what this means

CE: OMG why are you complaining?? Youre such a simp! Fuck off! Raw raw raw

I forgot how emotionally charged this board is over the silliest things.

s0nicfan posted...

Actually, yes:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2021/12/29/doordash-food-deliveries-engineers-executives-ceo/9045901002/

EDIT: Also, apparently this is how it was done pre-covid and it was only ever temporarily suspended because of the pandemic, so the employee who complained has to have been hired only in the last year or two.

Sort of reminds me of Chick-fil a''s policy regarding franchise owners to actively participate in the operations instead of sitting back and watching the money roll in. Nice way of keeping the staff in touch with operations on all levels.

Eating your own dog food (trying your own stuff) has been standard in that type of work for over a decade. They should cry more overpaid fucks

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Yeah its not like I make a living out of capitalizing on these kinds of things or anything. Its not like my job is related to being on top of the tech market. What do I know compared to your random CE basement dweller.

And how exactly have I been wrong? Ive already countered your argument about them being ok with it before with current market trends and my direct experience, and your response has been nothing but emotionally charged garbage.

Cleo_II posted...

Yeah its not like I make a living out of capitalizing on these kinds of things or anything. Its not like my job is related to being on top of the tech market. What do I know compared to your random CE basement dweller.

And how exactly have I been wrong? Ive already countered your argument about them being ok with it before with current market trends and my direct experience, and your response has been nothing but emotionally charged garbage.

You're not as important as you think you are

Dakimakura posted...

You would think driving around giving idiots their food would be a nice vacation from a high stress job.

It's not a vacation. There's absolutely no chance anybody required to do this would have their regular work duties lessened consequentially.

b_nolan posted...

You're not as important as you think you are

Industry knowledge and experience =\= importance but sure ok. Whatever helps you feel better =]

Contract working as intended, support ticket closed.

opopopza posted...

I don't blame him, it was clearly not in his job description and I don't think employers should suddenly be changing what is part of your job. If they made it a voluntary program employees could do while on the clock, I would understand it more.

Eh, jobs evolve. When they do, you have the option to keep going with it, or to move on. He chose to stay on knowing what was coming. He could have used that time to move to a new job instead.

Odd melty to have.

DoorDash is more than aware this will turn away some applicants and even employees.

Princess employee can go fuck himself.

opopopza posted...

I don't blame him, it was clearly not in his job description and I don't think employers should suddenly be changing what is part of your job. If they made it a voluntary program employees could do while on the clock, I would understand it more.

If it was voluntary clearly he wouldnt do it.

Fam_Fam posted...

you have to deliver food once a month...i think he'll live. he should quit if he doesn't like the terms of his job, though.

He said it wasnt in the terms of his job.

daynlokki posted...

Eh, jobs evolve. When they do, you have the option to keep going with it, or to move on. He chose to stay on knowing what was coming. He could have used that time to move to a new job instead.

No actually they evolve for new employees. What he has is called a contract and its binding.

Cleo_II posted...

Lol my so called horseshit take is based on years of direct industry experience.

Appeal to authority fallacy. Either use words to persuade, or dont bother. You surely have to be aware someone being experienced does not make them correct.

Cleo_II posted...

Im educating people about things they dont understand and am getting shit for it.

I think its your approach.

Like, youre just saying My husband is in tech and I know what Im talking about ad nauseam.

Youre not even replying to what peoples point is.

People itt are saying if making deliveries temporary once a month is too beneath you, youre being entitled or overly difficult.

Your stance, correct me if Im wrong, is that employees can easily find positions with better pay without the extraneous driving, and that DD is trying to get free labor.

I dont see how your stance contradicts the point posters itt are saying.

You just come off as a bougie douchebag when you keep spouting about your experience and knowledge blah blah. Even if youre correct, people are gonna speak against you out of spite.

I think this is the correct take:

MutantJohn posted...

DoorDash is more than aware this will turn away some applicants and even employees

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It's also a nice show of solidarity. It removes the idea that the "actual" DoorDash employees are "too good" to deliver food themselves.

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This should be obvious.

Anyone who deals with shitty updates if your job is computer centric knows that developers dont always get whats beneficial or not without being in the field.

I understand both sides. At least it's only once a month and everybody has to do it.

As long as that contract states in some form "all other job duties as needed" he's doing it. Lol

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Appeal to authority fallacy. Either use words to persuade, or dont bother. You surely have to be aware someone being experienced does not make them correct.

I think its your approach.

Like, youre just saying My husband is in tech and I know what Im talking about ad nauseam.

Youre not even replying to what peoples point is.

People itt are saying if making deliveries temporary once a month is too beneath you, youre being entitled or overly difficult.

Your stance, correct me if Im wrong, is that employees can easily find positions with better pay without the extraneous driving, and that DD is trying to get free labor.

I dont see how your stance contradicts the point posters itt are saying.

You just come off as a bougie douchebag when you keep spouting about your experience and knowledge blah blah. Even if youre correct, people are gonna speak against you out of spite.

I think this is the correct take:

I only mentioned my husband working in tech once as an example to someone who quit a job over making him return to the office once a week. He found a full remote job easily. I have cited that this is my job many times though. Ive been a recruiter for a number of years and Im very familiar with the Bay Area market.

Yes they will lose people. No one is arguing that. Ive only explained the context of the Bay Area being very expensive and $400k not being outside the norm. Ive also corrected people who assume their software engineers are easily replaceable talent. They are not. Ive also countered the claim that they were fine doing it before with the fact that the pandemic has changed the market in favor of employees. All of these points are based out of conversations Ive had with software engineers every day as well as the knowledge of how difficult 2021 has been for all tech recruiters due to an incredibly competitive market unlike any other weve seen. Im not really sure why any of that is ruffling feathers but I have my suspicions.

The charity part is really negligible when you consider theyre only donating the tips they get. So theyre taking time out of their day, interrupting their work, to drive to a restaurant, possibly wait around a while, drive to deliver it and then drive home to maybe contribute $3-5. Its very little return for the time invested. You could argue that it makes the devs better in tune with their product, sure. But then they can do that every 6 months or a year. Or implement a program that has them do a few deliveries as training during their onboarding. DD has an army of data analysts, UX researchers and data scientists that work on improving the app.

I prefer setting up monthly contributions and my company matches them dollar for dollar with no hoops or attempt at marketing. Other tech companies offer volunteer hours where they let their employees contribute working hours to a cause of their choice. It has nothing to do with being entitled or feeling above the job. Ive volunteered numerous times for things my company has set up for charitable causes but they were things I wanted to do. They were not forced nor tied to performance reviews.

People shitting on me out of spite just proves their own insecurity, its no skin off my back. Im simply sharing what I know of this industry and if that bugs anyone then it says more about them than me.

Eh, still feels like simping.

DoorDash is a big boy company and can make their own choices.

I dislike DD as a company but this is honestly a pretty smart way to keep all of those folks in touch with the product they're delivering