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VideoboysaysCube
12/28/21 1:06:05 AM
#102:


I don't know what happened to this generation. We're reaching a point where you can't share opinions at all. I don't know how people's emotions have become so fragile that a mere mention of one's thoughts can stir you into a raging maniac. People have become so weak-minded and it shows. And I fear it's only going to get worse. Imagine the day where you can no longer admit your favorite color is blue...because of the implications. I still can't get enough of the time white people tried to get Speedy Gonzales canceled and real Mexicans had to be like, back off, we actually like the show.

These people are just a disease.


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I4NRulez
12/28/21 1:18:31 AM
#103:


Avatar fans are weird as fuck. Like its a good show but its nothing revolutionary. IIRC its based off The Monkey King stuff so its essentially Dragon Ball.

like if she doesnt have any other examples of subtle racism then give her the benefit of the doubt.

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AceMos
12/28/21 2:16:53 AM
#104:


ppl over reacted for sure thoe id not call this cancel culture

thoe i will say avatar the last airbender and raya have almost nothing in common so it was still a stupid thing to say

thoe its also clear she is just burnt out from creating content it honestly feels like this is just a excuse to end it (which is fine)

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MarveI
12/28/21 2:18:10 AM
#105:


AceMos posted...
ppl over reacted for sure thoe id not call this cancel culture

thoe i will say avatar the last airbender and raya have almost nothing in common so it was still a stupid thing to say

thoe its also clear she is just burnt out from creating content it honestly feels like this is just a excuse to end it (which is fine)
How is it not cancel culture? They practically ran her out of town on a rail.

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KaZooo
12/28/21 2:24:53 AM
#106:


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UnholyMudcrab
12/28/21 2:28:15 AM
#108:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Reposting a bunch of randos with a handful of likes each is just giving them attention that they don't need to receive.

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pegusus123456
12/28/21 2:28:50 AM
#109:


A few months back, I wrote an essay on the Lindsay Ellis/Raya situation

bruh

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Medussa
12/28/21 2:31:08 AM
#110:


can twitter get myspace'd already? let the trolls have it to troll each other. everyone else needs to just never go there again.

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omega cookie
12/28/21 2:34:34 AM
#111:


2021 has been the worst year of my life. I am traumatized by it. To this day I still have people scolding me by how I handled it, that I should have handled it differently, that I should have controlled my stans, as if I had the capability to know what any of these people were even saying to strangers on Twitter while I was shitting blood for weeks on end.

What a fucking drama queen. Good riddance.

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ModLogic
12/28/21 2:35:29 AM
#112:


VideoboysaysCube posted...
I don't know what happened to this generation. We're reaching a point where you can't share opinions at all. I don't know how people's emotions have become so fragile that a mere mention of one's thoughts can stir you into a raging maniac. People have become so weak-minded and it shows. And I fear it's only going to get worse. Imagine the day where you can no longer admit your favorite color is blue...because of the implications. I still can't get enough of the time white people tried to get Speedy Gonzales canceled and real Mexicans had to be like, back off, we actually like the show.

These people are just a disease.
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UnholyMudcrab
12/28/21 2:37:15 AM
#113:


omega cookie posted...
What a fucking drama queen. Good riddance.
Shut the fuck up

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omega cookie
12/28/21 2:48:32 AM
#114:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Shut the fuck up
Hey, there's another one.

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UnholyMudcrab
12/28/21 2:57:16 AM
#115:


Oh, he's gonna start calling me names now

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MrMallard
12/28/21 3:17:12 AM
#116:


omega cookie posted...
What a fucking drama queen. Good riddance.
Nah. You have people who have been trying to cancel her for ages on the alt-right, people bringing shit up like the "rape rap" which was 1) made by her and her friends as a way of coping with her own rape and 2) uploaded to tgwtg without her permission, as the file had been uploaded to a tgwtg server without her knowledge and left alone for two years before someone else uploaded it. Every perceived slight and aggression levied against her over the years - some of which were valid, others which were devoid of context to paint the situation as worse than it really was - was brought up against her like a tidal wave. This is shit going back over ten years, as well as hearsay and rumours.

And it all stemmed from her comparing Raya the Last Dragon to Avatar: The Last Airbender - based on similar story beats, and what she felt was inspiration from Avatar that didn't capture her attention in the same way that Avatar did. And the thing is that Avatar was even listed as a source of inspiration for Raya - Lindsay saying "this reminds me of a worse Avatar" is vindicated somewhat by Avatar being a listed inspiration by creative people who made the movie. Even the title sounds similar, which by itself may draw comparison - outlets like Honest Movie Trailers had already made the connection themselves in a video a couple days before Lindsay's tweets. That spun into "Lindsay is saying all Asian-inspired media looks the same which is bigoted due to the long-standing racial stereotypes that Asian races look similar", which evolved into "Lindsay is an anti-asian bigot because not only will she not apologize, but she won't even log into twitter and address the situation". Despite her being asleep at the time and entirely unaware of the controversy brewing at the time.

To which not only did she release a video debunking and addressing the laundry list of shit being levied at her, including an explanation of context which involves her own rape while she was in college, but also revealed the full extent of the harassment which spilled out to Jenny Nicholson and Sarah Z. There's already been video clips floating around to make Jenny Nicholson sound like she's saying something racist about Finn from Star Wars, when she was making a comment about how poorly the Disney trilogy treated him - people went from toppling Lindsay Ellis to trying to topple other "breadtubers" who have been judged to deserve the same treatment.

So I can sympathize with Lindsay Ellis when she says that 2021 has been the worst year of her life. You might think that she's this entitled bitch who's never known hardship and that she's crying over a little bit of Twitter drama, but we're talking ten years of rumours, harassment and attempts to topple her career coming to a head over an underwhelming Disney product that went over tepidly with audiences and critics because she - like other people, such as the folks at Honest Movie Trailers - compared story beats to Avatar the Last Airbender, which was an influence on Raya the Last Dragon.

If anyone could explain the Contrapoints stuff I'd be thankful, I know shit went down with her and it's pretty messy which could color my opinion of Lindsay standing by her, but otherwise this is my take on the Lindsay Ellis shit. I went through much less shit than she did this year, but what happened to me was impactful enough to me to make 2021 the worst year of my own life. It's not at all out of the question for everything that happened to Lindsay Ellis to constitute the worst year of her life too.

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omega cookie
12/28/21 3:17:24 AM
#117:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Oh, he's gonna start calling me names now
You wish I'd do you the honor.

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yusiko
12/28/21 3:26:57 AM
#118:


in a perfect world the people who harassed her on twitter would face some sort of consequence for their actions
but they never will. odds are at least one of them will be injustly targetted by a twitter harassment campaign one day but even after going through that themselves the odds of them self reflecting and realizing that they did the same thing and were just as shitty will never cross their mind

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Hornswoggled
12/28/21 3:51:16 AM
#119:


God, I love TGWTG related drama. It's so exciting.

Moviebob must be feeling pretty good that the woman who publicly humiliated him is in this position. He can't keep getting away with it!
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Bad_Mojo
12/28/21 3:58:29 AM
#120:


Would anyone against her please explain what the fuck you're issue with her opinion is, please?

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Bad_Mojo
12/28/21 4:04:26 AM
#121:


pegusus123456 posted...
bruh

No shit. Like, what the actual fuck?

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cjsdowg
12/28/21 4:05:50 AM
#122:


MrMallard posted...
To which not only did she release a video debunking and addressing the laundry list of shit being levied at her, including an explanation of context which involves her own rape while she was in college, but also revealed the full extent of the harassment which spilled out to Jenny Nicholson and Sarah Z. There's already been video clips floating around to make Jenny Nicholson sound like she's saying something racist about Finn from Star Wars, when she was making a comment about how poorly the Disney trilogy treated him - people went from toppling Lindsay Ellis to trying to topple other "breadtubers" who have been judged to deserve the same treatment.

This is Jenny attacking John. Literally linking him to misogyny .

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/3/AABqjYAACv3N.jpg

When black people pointed out her double standards she blocks ton of a black people.

She also said all the janitors at Star War Disney should look like Finn.

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GALA462
12/28/21 4:08:36 AM
#123:


There has to be more to this story.

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sabin017
12/28/21 4:14:50 AM
#124:


Anyone with CA affiliations is an easy target for moronic mobs to cast stones at. Lindsay obviously put a ton of thought and effort into her content whether or not it's something you care about, but it's sad to see such perspective lost. Here's to enjoying vapid nonsense instead, you moronic mobs!

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Snakebone99
12/28/21 4:16:57 AM
#125:


Doesn't she host a show on PBS?

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Hornswoggled
12/28/21 4:18:19 AM
#126:


Why is Doug Walker so much cooler than damn near everybody else who was in TGWTG?

The Pink Floyd's The Wall video he made was the laughing stock of the internet for like an entire year, and he didn't give AF! It didn't slow him down for a second.

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Bad_Mojo
12/28/21 4:26:30 AM
#127:


Hornswoggled posted...
Why is Doug Walker so much cooler than damn near everybody else who was in TGWTG?


Cooler? Doug and his brother are horrible, piles of shit, tbh

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MrMallard
12/28/21 4:28:11 AM
#128:


cjsdowg posted...
This is Jenny attacking John. Literally linking him to misogyny .

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/3/AABqjYAACv3N.jpg

When black people pointed out her double standards she blocks ton of a black people.

She also said all the janitors at Star War Disney should look like Finn.
My takeaway from the janitor clip is that Disney treated Finn so poorly as a character that making the park janitors look like Finn is something they would do. Like they've already degraded his character so much, reducing him from the deuteragonist of TFA to a walking signpost who spends most of the movie calling out Rey's name in TRoS, that the next step they would make is to make the janitors look like Finn.

That statement is pretty edgy because of the racial aspect, I'll give you that. With that being said, I wholly believe the point of what she was saying was to point out Disney's dogshit treatment of both John Boyega and the character of Finn in the Star Wars movies - that the next logical step in that process of character degradation is for them to make their janitors Finn-themed.

With that being said, that entire reply thread on Twitter is pretty dumb and I can see why people aren't happy about it. And honestly, John Boyega watching the franchise go down in flames and fanning them with troll comments was the best part of the TRoS shitshow. I wouldn't go so far as to call this reply chain racially motivated, but I don't agree with the position that she's taking and it does seem holier-than-thou.

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Frosted_Midna
12/28/21 4:28:18 AM
#129:


This whole thing makes me wish twitter didn't exist.

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AceMos
12/28/21 4:31:05 AM
#130:


Frosted_Midna posted...
This whole thing makes me wish twitter didn't exist.
twitter has done alot of good to

the only reason actual rapist wienstien got punished was because of twitter

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Bad_Mojo
12/28/21 4:33:03 AM
#131:


AceMos posted...
twitter has done alot of good to

the only reason actual rapist wienstien got punished was because of twitter

Hope this is a troll post, tbh

  • A lot
  • too
  • ext

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Hornswoggled
12/28/21 4:35:28 AM
#132:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Cooler? Doug and his brother are horrible, piles of shit, tbh

I mean in the sense that he can weather things that would cause somebody else, like Lindsay Ellis, to have a breakdown.

It's why he survived the whole Change the Channel thing. He was smart and collected enough to not engage with it at all.
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AceMos
12/28/21 4:39:12 AM
#133:


Hornswoggled posted...
I mean in the sense that he can weather things that would cause somebody else, like Lindsay Ellis, to have a breakdown.

It's why he survived the whole Change the Channel thing. He was smart and collected enough to not engage with it at all.

thats not how things work at all

harassment is never ok

change the channel was doug getting called out for things he actually did do we have evidence he did them

he covered up for a man who was grooming children


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teep_
12/28/21 5:16:03 AM
#135:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Hope this is a troll post, tbh

* A lot
* too
* ext

AceMos posted...
2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well

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pinky0926
12/28/21 5:16:46 AM
#136:


sutree posted...
you nailed it here @pinky0926 . I don't know much know too much about Ellis but my understanding is yeah much of her fanbase is exactly the type of people who would turn on someone in an instant for some social media clout.

For sure, but I think there's something larger going on here as well. People who accept and constantly engage in the sort of progressive rhetoric around "trauma", microaggressions, victimization and so on are not building a healthy, rational psyche. I think that sort of rhetoric tends to encourage catastrophizing and fragility.

Unless she doesn't engage in that sort of thing, then just ignore my comment. Again, I don't follow her.

I don't even think they're offended (well some of them are, they're just that brittle). I think there's a lot of people engaging in bad faith because they're just waiting for the darling of privilege critique to slip up. She posted a one and a half hour video titled "mask off" apologising for a laundry list of comments that wouldn't even get moderated on gamefaqs, it was so bizarre.

This is the thing. She engaged them directly, apologised even, and also explained where she wasn't due an apology and where people were hyper overreacting. That was her mistake.

Its a "dammed if you do/don't" situation. It might have been wiser for her to just blank the entire thing, but she's Lindsay Ellis. She has to dive into the granular detail of it all and extrapolate. The mob came to her home with pitchforks and she was practically duty bound to tell them that their anger was misplaced.

It's a shame. She did incredible media critiques. And her heart was clearly in the right place. Twitter killed a good one.

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Shablagoo
12/28/21 5:22:22 AM
#137:


cjsdowg posted...
She also said all the janitors at Star War Disney should look like Finn.

Sort of a tangent but whats wrong with being a janitor? They are a very key job within our society, a position that should be respected; even if some YouTuber was mistakenly trying to use it as an insult.

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Stalolin
12/28/21 5:24:00 AM
#138:


One of the rare instances of actual cancel culture.

Its a bummer. I hope shes doing okay.

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legendarylemur
12/28/21 5:50:11 AM
#139:


Yeah Avatar is a classic shounen. All shounens basically linger around like 1 point of score away from each other at max, but whenever there's one that's like a clear 1 point above others, it gets fucking crowned like a king

Bring race into this is... ???

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HagenEx
12/28/21 5:58:51 AM
#140:


What a fucking crybaby.

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Zikten
12/28/21 5:59:49 AM
#141:


HagenEx posted...
What a fucking crybaby.

Not really once you look into her past. She has every right to react like this. I didn't know til tonight she is a rape victim
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legendarylemur
12/28/21 6:13:18 AM
#142:


I wouldn't say Lindsay Ellis has always been in the right side though. During the Channel Awesome fiasco, it was kinda shoved under the rug that she was a small part of the problem because she joked to the Walker brothers about some of the pretty problematic stuff and even contributed to some of the writing of it. They were very close at one point after all. For some reason people don't mention this very often, but I've been reluctant to watch her after that point. Heck, I stopped watching anybody associated to that channel pretty much since the first wave of the accusations, which wasn't the big one that happened a few months after

But pretty sucky what happened to her here.

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AceMos
12/28/21 6:15:35 AM
#143:


legendarylemur posted...
I stopped watching anybody associated to that channel pretty much since the first wave of the accusations,
why?

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legendarylemur
12/28/21 6:18:09 AM
#144:


AceMos posted...
why?
Well, some people were obviously not at fault. Just so happened most of the ppl I watched from there were at one point a part of the problem. The Channel Awesome fiasco is fucking wild, in case you didn't know about it. But yeah I stopped watching Cinema Snob in particular even though I was into his content at the time. He sided with the Walkers and basically didn't say much afterwards. I think he took a who gives a shit, we got to make content side, which made it hard for me to watch his shit

I stopped watching Lindsay Ellis too, but I'd say I wasn't exactly a big fan prior to it

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MedeaLysistrata
12/28/21 6:20:34 AM
#145:


Oh my god

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AceMos
12/28/21 6:20:59 AM
#146:


legendarylemur posted...
Well, some people were obviously not at fault. Just so happened most of the ppl I watched from there were at one point a part of the problem. The Channel Awesome fiasco is fucking wild, in case you didn't know about it. But yeah I stopped watching Cinema Snob in particular even though I was into his content at the time. He sided with the Walkers and basically didn't say much afterwards. I think he took a who gives a shit, we got to make content side, which made it hard for me to watch his shit

I stopped watching Lindsay Ellis too, but I'd say I wasn't exactly a big fan prior to it

im well aware of the fiasco and yea i lost all respect for the snob

i under stood why he stayed as becoming the snob saved brads life he was at a ver low point so yea tohim the walker saved him

but at first he made it clear he was only staying cus of such things he supported his friends who left

then he stabbed them in the back and mocked their pain

really the only former CA i activly watch is linkara but thats just cus the rest dont really make content i like

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KainFourteh
12/28/21 7:15:08 AM
#147:


People were offended by that tweet? Really? Fucking hell...

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pinky0926
12/28/21 8:01:16 AM
#148:


Btw to everyone in the "poor Lindsay Ellis" camp, she 100% made this bed. Absolutely no one deserves the twitter dogpile, but you gotta remember - this is her entire M.O. Not even yesterday she was doing the same thing.

https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1475560170713333762?s=20

Tom - take down the video you worked hard to make. It's not enough that you apologised, explained yourself and donated the proceeds to charity (not to mention had nothing to do with the offenses caused). The person in the video said some shit on twitter years ago that is offensive to people. This needs cancelling!

I don't wish her harm but I find it hard to feel sorry for her too. Don't call twitter the problem and be the problem at the same time.


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Vicious_Dios
12/28/21 8:03:02 AM
#149:


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Hornswoggled
12/28/21 10:32:40 AM
#150:


Hornswoggled posted...
I mean in the sense that he can weather things that would cause somebody else, like Lindsay Ellis, to have a breakdown.

It's why he survived the whole Change the Channel thing. He was smart and collected enough to not engage with it at all.

And Doug is capable of laughing at himself in way so many other Channel Awesome people are not.

Consider the vastly different reactions Linkara and Doug have to Oneyplays making fun of them all the time.

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Southernfatman
12/28/21 10:39:09 AM
#151:


It's weird, I watched her back when she was the Nostalgia Chick and dug her stuff, but for some reason I never followed through to watching her later stuff.

Not that she deserves getting harassed and such, but I don't feel as sorry for her as most. Back in the TGWTG/CA days, she was one of those who downplayed all the screwy behind the scenes stuff that would come out later and she would change her tune about all of that. She jumped in on the Twitter mob when James Rolfe said he wasn't going to review Ghostbusters 2016. I could be wrong, but if I remember right, she was one of those who also jumped on Lordkat and accused him of sexual assault/rape when it was all BS.

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