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Hoodroar 12/25/21 6:18:26 PM #52: |
sktgamer_13dude posted...
They existed before incels. Not every group that hates women is an incel group. --- ~ HR ~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bloodyarts 12/25/21 6:18:30 PM #53: |
cuttin_in_farm posted... I feel men nowadays definitely dont have a place or value in society like they used to.Are you saying men are being oppressed? Because I know another group that has a similar mindset. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trappedunderice 12/25/21 6:28:23 PM #54: |
omega cookie posted... Hey, look! It's the troll who gets laughed out of game boards for spamming "man bad womin gud" topics! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/25/21 7:16:32 PM #55: |
Hoodroar posted...
1) that doesnt make it better 2) why are you going to bat for them --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 12/25/21 7:43:46 PM #56: |
sevihaimerej posted... They try to portray themselves as A but are in actuality BNot sure what you call this but I'm sure it's not the other thing --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 12/25/21 7:49:34 PM #57: |
Hoodroar posted... They existed before incels. Not every group that hates women is an incel group. Incels have been around for longer than the internet, dunno what you're talking about. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Angel_ 12/25/21 7:55:14 PM #58: |
MGTOW is for men who never got basic guidance and got jilted. Wayyyyy too incel adjacent, you can argue all day that it's not but it is what it is. --- Nostalgia, how I remember things. Remember crowns, remember kings. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 12/25/21 8:38:58 PM #59: |
sktgamer_13dude posted... Its an incel group.I don't have a issue with incels and would rather help them then shame them and people like them. Along with helping find a path for guys outside of woman, sex and outside validation. This think goes against the hive mind suppose, but I judge based on what I think. And mocking and shaming them isn't working. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DepreceV2 12/25/21 8:41:26 PM #60: |
MistressPaige posted... Because I just cant take them seriously. Instead of advocating for solving real issues men of society face they instead go full incel and put all their problems on women and the patriarchy. You nailed the issue in the first sentence. I ended up finding my way into this but the deeper I got, the more this was the jarring issue. I didnt stay there long. Its just silly. I liked the idea of a place that discussed men issues since that is so rare but good lord MGTOW became a shitshow. Its pathetic --- Reminder: On March 2nd, 2021, Texas removed mask mandates and allowed 100% capacity for businesses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 12/25/21 8:46:12 PM #61: |
This whole conversation is pointless when you can reduce things to "the Titanic sinks" Can you stop the Titanic from sinking? --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 12/25/21 8:47:01 PM #62: |
Itachi157 posted... I don't respect them because they could just live their lives the way they want to, but instead they had to make a whole public "movement" about it and bash women, etc. I think they made it a public movement because a lot of those guys probably felt that they were alone, but maybe other guys would sympathize. Theyre kind of right about that. It is basically impossible to talk about some mens valid complaints without much of society immediately ridiculing just the mentioning of it. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 12/25/21 8:57:49 PM #63: |
MGTOW are fucking losers who hurt whatever cause they're playing to. They're preying on legitimate social ills - feelings of worthlessness for not meeting the standard of masculinity that exists, feeling like they have no escape from being a man and that the rest of their lives is going to get worse the longer they live - to spread overt misogyny as an emotional panacea to people who are susceptible to indoctrination. You can go "bad faith actors wah wah wah" but let's face it, MGTOW is rotten from the inside out and they're killing the empathy, caring and personal understanding of vulnerable men who are in pain. Guys who struggle with masculinity and their place in the world deserve a better group than these hateful shit-kickers who recruit new members the same way that fucking neo-nazis do. --- Thought I saw a mouse kicking in your beak, it was only a skeleton Now Playing: Persona 3 FES, Minecraft, Oldschool Runescape ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 12/25/21 9:10:52 PM #64: |
Prismsblade posted... I don't have a issue with incels and would rather help them then shame them and people like them. Along with helping find a path for guys outside of woman, sex and outside validation. Everyone judges based on what they think, that's an empty statement. Incels, by and large, don't get shit on for the actual "involuntary celibacy" part, but because those communities are almost entirely founded on shitting on women and enforcing hopelessness. An actual positive incel community would be deserving of a donation drive. That'd be a good service. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 12/25/21 9:27:00 PM #65: |
Guide posted... An actual positive incel community would be deserving of a donation drive. That'd be a good service. Do you honestly think that would be accepted? Certain groups and media would publicly and aggressively condemn an effort like that as being another example of the dreaded patriarchy and any member and supporter would be labeled a misogynist. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mybbqrules 12/25/21 9:27:31 PM #66: |
Prismsblade posted... I don't have a issue with incels and would rather help them then shame them and people like them. Along with helping find a path for guys outside of woman, sex and outside validation.You need to go lurk some incel forums then. That'll dry up any sympathy you have for them real quick. --- Twice impeached, one-term President Donald J. Trump: Officially the worst president in American history after his seditious, traitorous acts on Jan 6, 2021. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 12/25/21 9:33:34 PM #67: |
There needs to be a way to differentiate between like the psychotic I hate women!!! types and normals. I consider myself a normal. Not totally by choice but Ive learned to live without having a woman in my life and theres absolutely nothing wrong with it. --- Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 12/25/21 9:34:26 PM #68: |
Lorenzo_2003 posted... Do you honestly think that would be accepted? This is extremely kneejerky. Some groups? Sure. A mass media comedown? Step away from your computer for a breather. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WorsCaseOntario 12/25/21 9:36:37 PM #69: |
why hate MGTOW when it and feminism are basically just two sides of the same coin? Feminists were like "I don't need no man" and MGTOW is the male equivalent of that --- Frankly my dear, I don't give a ham. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 12/25/21 9:44:49 PM #70: |
Guide posted... This is extremely kneejerky. Some groups? Sure. A mass media comedown? Step away from your computer for a breather. Ok, answer this as honestly as you can: Would CNN and MSNBC report objectively on an organization made up of incels and incel supporters trying to garner public support and money for pro incel causes or would these media giants write inflammatory articles about them and invite pundits on their show to bash this group? Remember, be honest. And while youre at it, ask yourself what a mainstream daytime show like The View would have to say about it. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 12/25/21 9:51:03 PM #71: |
Guide posted... Everyone judges based on what they think, that's an empty statement. Incels, by and large, don't get shit on for the actual "involuntary celibacy" part, but because those communities are almost entirely founded on shitting on women and enforcing hopelessness.They really don't? You'd be surprised at the number of people who just think, feel and do whatever because most others around them do. And dont make their own decisions. Which spawned the then infamous NPC meme actually. Not sure what can be done about the hate speech there or anyone outside of mods doing they're damn job and deleting/banning that noise. But for now, man still have Jorden Peterson I suppose, but other then him, idk who else they can turn to. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 12/25/21 9:58:21 PM #72: |
Lorenzo_2003 posted... Ok, answer this as honestly as you can: I take issue with these questions for multiple reasons, but let's focus on the primary reason, one that you could perhaps help with. For that first part, how exactly would I draw examples from which to have evidence? There has never been a positive incel group seeking donations, and so there's no example, or even similar example, of what CNN would do as far as covering this news. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 12/25/21 10:17:16 PM #73: |
Guide posted... For that first part, how exactly would I draw examples from which to have evidence? There has never been a positive incel group seeking donations, and so there's no example, or even similar example, of what CNN would do as far as covering this news. We are talking about hypotheticals. There are no guarantees and we dont have a crystal ball that can accurately represent the future. I am asking you what you honestly think would be the response from the mainstream, which by definition has a large audience and influence factor. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hoodroar 12/25/21 10:17:22 PM #74: |
sktgamer_13dude posted...
I'm not, hence the mention of them hating women. I just value accuracy. As someone else mentioned it's like the difference between the Taliban and ISIS. >_> Basically incels are bitter virgins/guys on dry spells while MGTOWs are bitter divorcees and other guys who got dumped or cheated on. --- ~ HR ~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cuttin_in_farm 12/25/21 10:23:46 PM #75: |
bloodyarts posted... Are you saying men are being oppressed? Im implying what I said. Men dont have the same value they used to. Women can work now. Guys are getting outpaced in school. Women are making more in income. Once the old dorks die off, Im pretty sure theyre gonna start losing in the corporate world too. With social media and online dating, women are able to date in a wider range, so guys are having a harder time finding female attention. This isnt oppression, obviously. But it is a dilemma for the new generation of guys who have parents that probably didnt have to deal with this. Women have movements to help them with their self image. Women have support groups for abuse. Socially, its normal to be supportive to women in general. Men dont tend to have that. People address the idea of unrealistic beauty standards but mainly for women. Guys no longer are the primary breadwinners, and have less opportunity to communicate with digital walls in the way. We say men should step up as far as being fathers, but we cant be assed to even have changing stations in mens restrooms. The role for men is becoming harder for young people to figure out. Hell, people in general, man or woman, are becoming increasingly lonely and stunted. I dont quite grasp how what Im saying could be confusing. We have to separate the philosophy from the execution is my thing. If we can agree feminism is good, just misused nowadays, we should be able to say the same for mgtow. The main difference is that feminism actually has history and accomplishments. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 12/25/21 10:31:31 PM #76: |
Lorenzo_2003 posted... We are talking about hypotheticals. There are no guarantees and we dont have a crystal ball that can accurately represent the future. I am asking you what you honestly think would be the response from the mainstream, which by definition has a large audience and influence factor. We are talking hypotheticals, yes, but that doesn't mean there's no degree of grounding or likelihood. Hypotheticals can be had because we are capable of conjecture and inference based on relevant information. For example, if you asked me what a magic cloud would do it you put it in a genie's lamp in bizarroworld: I have no fucking clue. If you asked me what me brother would have for breakfast a week from now, I cannot say for certain, but knowing that he rarely has breakfast, I can give you a reasonable guest of nothing at all. What you're asking me is closer to the first example. You clearly have some preconceived notions, but where are they coming from? CNN saying an incel community was being shitty isn't a mark against "the media" when the incel community was, in fact, being shitty. I need a gauge of a positive community being shat on, in order to have some grounding. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 12/25/21 10:46:16 PM #77: |
cuttin_in_farm posted... Women can work now.imagine calling something like this a "dilemma" --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 23 states ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 12/25/21 11:30:32 PM #78: |
Guide posted... We are talking hypotheticals, yes, but that doesn't mean there's no degree of grounding or likelihood. Hypotheticals can be had because we are capable of conjecture and inference based on relevant information.Toxic masculinity, in my opinion, would be a relevant situation on where we could draw possible information from in regards to how the "media" might react. There are certain stigmas around being male that exist, such as being strong, being emotionless, mental health issues, etc. and while these things are slowly being addressed they are also being ridiculed. I can't speak for the poster you're responding to but I could see that as being a basis for where those preconceived notions might be derived from. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cuttin_in_farm 12/26/21 5:39:50 AM #79: |
greyfox747 posted... imagine calling something like this a "dilemma" I what? @greyfox747 Of all that I wrote. This is one of the only takeaways you could obtain? Like, even though I never said that sentence. Hell, never even said the word dilemma (so why the sarcastic quotes?), you still thought this was a good response? You dont think the full context would matter? Yknow, the rest of my quote? Like, I genuinely am starting to get frustrated from this place for the first time. I usually dont care too much what people think of me, as I just like hearing perspectives here Id never see irl. But yall do the same lazy discussion habits of not responding to an individual, but the assumed individual you think would hold the stance. Its so intellectually lazy. Oh, this person is defending mgtow. MGTOW is a hate group for bitter incels. That must mean this individual is either apart of MGTOW, or they agree with hating women and are bitter! I personally dont understand it. A group can have issues without being oppressed. MGTOW attempted to address the specific issues of guys feeling worthless without women (which is partially due to society becoming more fair and gender roles/expectations for men not updating with the change). Yall have to realize theres a reason PUAs are so effective. Or why dudes spend so much money on streamers or OF girls. Its because a lot of dudes have no sense of how they go about life without feminine attention imo. So when you criticize groups who attempt to help, but end up toxic (like PUAs or MGTOW), just remember that no one else is bothering to help at all. A dude in here legit said just go to therapy. As if therapy is a covered medical expense in the US . Thats all I gotta say. No ones gonna read it anyway. Hope yall had a merry Christmas. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Will_VIIII 12/26/21 11:42:55 AM #81: |
mybbqrules posted... For a group who claims to be indifferent to women they sure spend literally all their time running them down instead of "going their own way". LOL imma use this --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg "Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words." - Proverbs 23:9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 12/26/21 11:49:14 AM #82: |
Guide posted... An actual positive incel community would be deserving of a donation drive. That'd be a good service. Donation drive for what? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sackgurl 12/26/21 12:28:19 PM #83: |
MistressPaige posted... Why is MGTOW a thing honestly? sour grapes is a defense mechanism "i never wanted this thing i can't have" --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 12/26/21 4:39:06 PM #84: |
Sackgurl posted... sour grapes is a defense mechanism Or weve learned how to adapt. Were not all bitter. --- Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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