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Kloe_Rinz
12/12/21 8:24:38 PM
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hurts workers

end of story. Even the worst union is better than most companies
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ArgonHawk
12/12/21 8:25:25 PM
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All unions are corrupt, but they're corrupt for you >_>

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TotallyNotAGirl
12/12/21 8:27:05 PM
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Yes. This is actually quite easy.

The sad thing is? We know exactly what we get with corrupt businesses and yet the U.S. hasn't really made huge "labor" wise jumps since like 1938

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Solid Snake07
12/12/21 8:33:24 PM
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Not sure why we need to pretend it's zero sum one way or the other

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Kloe_Rinz
12/12/21 9:59:32 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Not sure why we need to pretend it's zero sum one way or the other
Explain
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monkmith
12/12/21 10:10:31 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Even the worst union is better than most companies
https://www.napo.org/

no, there are no absolutes.

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Doe
12/12/21 10:13:12 PM
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"Corrupt union" only makes sense if they don't have the full interests in the workers in mind. A union that will do its best for its employees is no worse than a company that will do its best for its shareholders.

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DarthAragorn
12/12/21 10:16:13 PM
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counterpoint: police unions

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Doe
12/12/21 10:16:59 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
counterpoint: police unions
Not a proper point of comparison since they have special laws not present in the market

Also a Kelloggs cereal worker doesn't have the power to restrict your rights

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/12/21 10:26:08 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Not sure why we need to pretend it's zero sum one way or the other
It is. There is no pretense.

DarthAragorn posted...
counterpoint: police unions
Police unions work great for the police. That's the issue.

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Kloe_Rinz
12/12/21 10:28:11 PM
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monkmith posted...
https://www.napo.org/

no, there are no absolutes.
Thats more of an issue that both the union and the workers are corrupt. If the workers werent corrupt then it would be the same as any other union.
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Kloe_Rinz
12/12/21 10:28:49 PM
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Doe posted...
"Corrupt union" only makes sense if they don't have the full interests in the workers in mind. A union that will do its best for its employees is no worse than a company that will do its best for its shareholders.
Even if they dont have the full interests of workers in mind, and only occasionally help workers out, thats better than the typical scenario where there is no union and workers are never helped out
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MedeaLysistrata
12/15/21 11:07:50 PM
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Unions should be independent

Separate labour power from labour capital

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