Current Events > 15 y/o Michigan NERD used his Dad's BLACK FRIDAY GUN to Murder 4 Students!!

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15 y/o Freak Ethan Crumbley who was described as a "bespectacled teen" is named as the Michigan gunman who murdered 4 teens at Oxford High School as he and his parents just met with teachers 3 hours BEFORE the shooting over his "behaviour"!!

He is charged with 4 counts of murder, terrorism and other gun charges for the 4 murders and wounding 8 others including a teacher after using a 9mm Gun that his FATHER had bought on BLACK FRIDAY and bragged it was his!!

At 10am, his parents, Jennifer and James were called into the shcool for a meeting as it's unclear if that's what prompted the shooting but it was the second meeting Ethan was called in over 2 days

Police say there's no record of him being bullied despite what students say and found a detailed journal in his backpack that talked about him wanting to shoot students at the school despite one student, Treshant Bryant said he's seen him around the school being bullied

He is charged as an adult and may be convicted to life in prison and Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald may charge his PARENTS as well for not keeping the gun out of reach after the teen boasted on instagram about the gun and pretending it was his.

The teen was also featured in a newspaper print on a project he did with peers on poverty and hunger and said "I see people on the streets sometimes that are homeless and hungry and i feel like i should take action and help them"

16 y/o Football star, Tate Myre, 14 y/o Hana St Juliana, 17 y/o Madisyn Baldwin were killed on the day of the shooting and just this morning, 17 y/o Justin Shilling died of his injuries at 10:45am

His disturbing social media posts were shared online before it was deleted that talked about his love for horror films and satanism and posting pictures of him at target practice shooting guns

Ethan is not cooperating with police after his parents advised him not to speak and hired a lawyer who told him to plead the fifth

Terrifying videos showed students armed with scissors and calculators hiding in a locked classroom when Ethan pretended to be a sheriff attempting them to open the order and when he said "bro" that caused the students to raise a red flag and flee out the window and into the other building where an officer awaits.

Students have now made a petition to rename a stadium in honour of Tate Myre, the high school football star which has gathered over 33,000 signatures as the motive for the shootings remain unknown

Debate over gun law changes continue as the US grips over the second amendment

Do you think the trailer trash parents should be charged for letting their kid get ahold of the gun?

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Ethan pretended to be a sheriff attempting them to open the order and when he said "bro" that caused the students to raise a red flag and flee out the window and into the other building where an officer awaits.

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mrduckbear posted...

Police say there's no record of him being bullied despite what students say and found a detailed journal in his backpack that talked about him wanting to shoot students at the school despite one student, Treshant Bryant said he's seen him around the school being bullied

Sounds like the faculty weren't doing their jobs.

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Honestly no. It's reasonable to trust a 15-year-old inside a house with a gun.

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Robot2600 posted...

Honestly no. It's reasonable to trust a 15-year-old inside a house with a gun.

Nope. Underage. He should not be able to access it. Unless he completely destroyed a gun safe to get it out the parents should be held responsible.

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mrduckbear posted...

Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald may charge his PARENTS as well for not keeping the gun out of reach after the teen boasted on instagram about the gun and pretending it was his.

Fucking FINALLY. Start charging people as who fail to secure their weapons as accessories to homicide/manslaughter when they goddam know their kid has issues.

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What a sack of cocks. Hope he fries, stupid pussy bitch.

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This picture is heartbreaking, this is a fucking baby. Obviously no excuse for what he did and I have far more empathy for his victims, but holy shit this picture is fucking me up. This child killed 4 people and his life is over.

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PoundGarden posted...

Fucking FINALLY. Start charging people as who fail to secure their weapons as accessories to homicide/manslaughter when they goddam know their kid has issues.

I read somewhere that the police can't talk to the kid because the parents aren't giving them permission.

My guess is they saw a charge coming and are trying to save their asses by not letting the police talk to him

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If we're going to have guns, we need to be properly trained on them. And the parents need to make the right call on whether or not the child is responsible enough to use it. AND, it can't just be accessible to them whenever they feel they want access to it.

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wbloechel posted...

Woah, why's it gotta be a black friday gun?

lol haven't seen this joke in awhile

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TheHoldSteady posted...

I read somewhere that the police can't talk to the kid because the parents aren't giving them permission.

My guess is they saw a charge coming and are trying to save their asses by not letting the police talk to him

Probably. At the same time I can understand a parent still wanting to protect their child regardless of what they did. Hopefully dad's ass gets fucking the book thrown at him. When my nephews come over I unload and chamber lock all my weapons and lock the door of the room they're in, zero tolerance for someone who cannot secure their weapons around children.

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Wow, he really is just a kid...
Fucking tragic

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The fact his parents are helping him try to get out of this cements the fact that parents should be held just as responsible for the actions of the shooter in these kinds of situations.

Take their house, freeze their accounts, take their firearms and vehicles. Make them homeless and penniless. Ruin them. If any of their family or friends help them in any way, do the same to them.

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PoundGarden posted...

Probably. At the same time I can understand a parent still wanting to protect their child regardless of what they did. Hopefully dad's ass gets fucking the book thrown at him. When my nephews come over I unload and chamber lock all my weapons and lock the door of the room they're in, zero tolerance for someone who cannot secure their weapons around children.

Same, but with guests of any kind. They don't need easy access to my belongings

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pogo_rabid posted...

The fact his parents are helping him try to get out of this cements the fact that parents should be held just as responsible for the actions of the shooter in these kinds of situations.

Take their house, freeze their accounts, take their firearms and vehicles. Make them homeless and penniless. Ruin them. If any of their family or friends help them in any way, do the same to them.

The only problem I have with this is there's often other kids in the home too. Not fair to them to have to lose both parents and everything they've ever known.

Personally I think ultimately whoever the gun is registered to is responsible and liable. Start making that parent do 10 years minimum, and the other should wake tf up. And both should lose their gun rights permanently.

We should also bear in mind these people also still lost a child and must be racked with guilt and remorse which is punishment in and of itself.

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PoundGarden posted...

The only problem I have with this is there's often other kids in the home too. Not fair to them to have to lose both parents and everything they've ever known.

The parents should instantly lose all parental rights to the children. They should be legally barred from ever communicating with them again.

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pogo_rabid posted...

The parents should instantly lose all parental rights to the children. They should be legally barred from ever communicating with them again.

You're still ultimately punishing the children. There's a big difference between negligence and intent, none of these people intended for their kid to shoot anyone and many had no idea their kid was fucked up. This specific instance is a strong argument for your case, as these parents seem to have had numerous red flags thrown at them. Gun should have definitely been locked tf up after the first meeting if not sooner. We also don't know exactly what the school told the parents either, let's not forget they seem to have dropped the ball hard on this too.

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PoundGarden posted...

You're still ultimately punishing the children.

The world is a rough place that isn't always fair. Children are put in situations where the parents are taken out of the picture all the time.

EDIT: And you're right about the administrators, teachers, and students they interacted with. They all should be investigated as well. Leave no stone unturned.

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PoundGarden posted...

You're still ultimately punishing the children.

no, the parents punished them by allowing one of them to get their gun and play with it. If they were both murderers you wouldn't say "well thats not fair, those kids need their parents"...they fucked up and anything that happens to the kids is on them, not the people punishing them.

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pogo_rabid posted...

The world is a rough place that isn't always fair. Children are put in situations where the parents are taken out of the picture all the time.

EDIT: And you're right about the administrators, teachers, and students they interacted with. They all should be investigated as well. Leave no stone unturned.

Agree to disagree. I get what you're saying and where you're coming from, but I think it's going a bit far. Those children are removed from their parents over intentional abuse and/or gross neglect. Completley destroying a family and the lives of the kids specifically over one spectacular lapse in judgment and responsibility just doesn't sit well with me.

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PoundGarden posted...

Completley destroying a family and the lives of the kids specifically over one spectacular lapse in judgment and responsibility just doesn't sit well with me.

so if the parent drove drunk and killed someone you'd say give them a 2nd chance because their kids deserve them? 4 teens are dead because they were negligent. Those kids parents don't get a 2nd chance with them.

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VipaGTS posted...

no, the parents punished them by allowing one of them to get their gun and play with it. If they were both murderers you wouldn't say "well thats not fair, those kids need their parents"...they fucked up and anything that happens to the kids is on them, not the people punishing them.

What if parent A has no real knowledge of guns, doesn't want to be around them, and agreed to let parent B have them in the house as long as they took full responsibility for it? That doesn't seem fair to me to punish A for B's fuckup.
At that point it's not much of a stretch to charge a wife if she knew her husband has a drinking problem and he takes the family van out to the bar then goes for a drive and kills someone.

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Turbam posted...

Wow, he really is just a kid...
Fucking tragic

So were the ones he killed. Fuck him and his parents. I hope they all rot in prison.

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VipaGTS posted...

so if the parent drove drunk and killed someone you'd say give them a 2nd chance because their kids deserve them? 4 teens are dead because they were negligent. Those kids parents don't get a 2nd chance with them.

Ha, I used the drunk driving analogy too. No I wouldn't, as that individual is ultimately responsible for their actions. I wouldn't charge the spouse though because she knew he had a drinking problem but wasn't even in the car.

Like I said, we don't know yet how much the school disclosed or how aware they were of how disturbed their kid was. I'm reserving full judgment until we know more, but with what we know so far fuck dad for sure. It was his gun, he knew bare minimum his kid had behavioral issues severe enough they warranted back to back meetings at the school. He should have locked that thing away.

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PoundGarden posted...

At that point it's not much of a stretch to charge a wife if she knew her husband has a drinking problem and he takes the family van out to the bar then goes for a drive and kills someone.

Hey, marriage comes with tons of benefits in a monetary, societal, and social perspective. A few extra responsibilities isn't unwarranted. If you want to tie yourself to another person like that, you shouldn't be able to get your cake and eat it too.

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josiskrazy posted...

So were the ones he killed. Fuck him and his parents. I hope they all rot in prison.

Yeah did you see the clip where he posed as a cop and tried to get into a classroom with a bunch of kids in it. Luckily they were able to escape through the window after they figured out he wasn't a cop.

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pogo_rabid posted...

The fact his parents are helping him try to get out of this cements the fact that parents should be held just as responsible for the actions of the shooter in these kinds of situations.

Take their house, freeze their accounts, take their firearms and vehicles. Make them homeless and penniless. Ruin them. If any of their family or friends help them in any way, do the same to them.

On a scale of 1-10, how triggered are you that absolutely none of that is going to happen?

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josiskrazy posted...

So were the ones he killed. Fuck him and his parents. I hope they all rot in prison.

It's ok to have some level of sympathy and even pity for a child who was tormented or mentally disturbed enough to the point that they did something like this while in no way excusing or empathize with what they did.
He was still a kid. Someone failed this kid big time if he really thought this was the best course of action or his only way out.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Hey, marriage comes with tons of benefits in a monetary, societal, and social perspective. A few extra responsibilities isn't unwarranted. If you want to tie yourself to another person like that, you shouldn't be able to get your cake and eat it too.

That's not really fair though. I have several guns and there's not a thing in the world my soon to be wife could do to stop me if I went on a mass shooting (which OBVIOUSLY I never would, mods) and it's not like I'm going to tell her if I was lol. How is that her fault? Now if she'd found my plans or I had made threats to do ashooting and she didn't report it then I think there's an argument to be had there.

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Did they say an exact make and model of the gun yet?

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Middle hope posted...

Did they say an exact make and model of the gun yet?

Sig Sauer P2022 9mm

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PoundGarden posted...

It's ok to have some level of sympathy and even pity for a child who was tormented or mentally disturbed enough to the point that they did something like this while in no way excusing or empathize with what they did.
He was still a kid. Someone failed this kid big time if he really thought this was the best course of action or his only way out.

So a kid kills 4 other kids and you have empathy for that kid. A dog exists and you think its reasonable to kill it if it comes near you.

I'm sorry but that's a super fucked up take.

15 is more than old enough to understand the reality of shooting people and the parents are fucking garbage. Life for everyone concerned is more than reasonable.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

So a kid kills 4 other kids and you have empathy for that kid. A dog exists and you think its reasonable to kill it if it comes near you.

I'm sorry but that's a super fucked up take.

15 is more than old enough to understand the reality of shooting people and the parents are fucking garbage. Life for everyone concerned is more than reasonable.

Ima keep this short and sweet. This is not the fucking place to twist my words and bring up drama from another topic to pick a fight with me. That's pretty low and pathetic.

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? Rhetorical question, I don't want an answer or any further engagement with you. You disgust me.

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The first part of that post was fair but there is a certain dichotomy in play thats pretty fucked buds.


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pogo_rabid posted...

Yeah did you see the clip where he posed as a cop and tried to get into a classroom with a bunch of kids in it. Luckily they were able to escape through the window after they figured out he wasn't a cop.

I heard about that video but I didn't watch any videos. I wasn't sure if it showed any of the kids getting killed and I can't watch something like that, it's depressing.

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So it was possible that he was bullied? In some videos I saw I saw some school staff and even the police make it seem like it wasn't a real factor at all. I get he wasn't really talking then. Regardless even if it was going on the kid crossed a line he never should have, and ruined his life and that of many others. He should have gotten help from his parents and they as a family should have escalated things by having a joint discussion with the school staff and even the police if the school wasn't taking it seriously. Sucks that the parents didn't lock up the gun as well as they should have.

CanuckCowboy posted...

The first part of that post was fair but there is a certain dichotomy in play thats pretty fucked buds.

OMG will you fuck off? What part of this isn't the place to pick a fight are you not understanding? Is getting the last word in on an unrelated topic I stopped caring about hours ago about a fucking dog seriously that important to you?

Everyone is being civil and getting along until you derped your way in here trying to start shit. Grow up.

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every kid is different in terms of emotions to some degree. its up to the parents to know what they can handle. 15 is old enough to know the dangers of what they are doing and the dangers of a firearm. if not then its all on the parents. outside of the kid breaking open a safe the parents should also be held responsible to some degree if they just left it around or flat out gave it to the kid who was very obviously mentally compromised.

@pogo_rabid

You got problems bro. The parents fucked up, but you can't seize everything they have, ruin their lives among the other terrible things you mentioned. That's inhumane and has no place in a democracy in a civilized society.

Some people take dogs seriously, its not just fun trolling. Though I agree this isnt really the place to point out hypocrisy even if it is a duck bear topic.

You know, trying to make any objective sense of the above is damn near impossible.

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Number090684 posted...

@pogo_rabid

You got problems bro. The parents fucked up, but you can't seize everything they have, ruin their lives among the other terrible things you mentioned. That's inhumane and has no place in a democracy in a civilized society.

Lives were taken due to their negligence as parents. That should be criminal and negligence is punishable in a democratic society all the time.

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With now often this happens in the US it ain't just the parents who are negligent over this issue.

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PoundGarden posted...

OMG will you fuck off? What part of this isn't the place to pick a fight are you not understanding? Is getting the last word in on an unrelated topic I stopped caring about hours ago about a fucking dog seriously that important to you?

Everyone is being civil and getting along until you derped your way in here trying to start shit. Grow up.

I admitted that it was an innapropriate time to bother bringing that up then left it alone.

So let's move on.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

I admitted that it was an innapropriate time to bother bringing that up then left it alone.

No you still had to get a little jab and the last word on the subject in. That's what you did.

CanuckCowboy posted...

So let's move on.

Love to. I again cordially invite you to fuck off.

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Punished_Blinx posted...

With now often this happens in the US it ain't just the parents who are negligent over this issue.

The government doesn't really care because they are in bed with the NRA and are more than happy to receive their occasional blood money bribes from them. Instead of increasing security measures at school buildings like metal detectors and guards to help eliminate this they rather have students run active shooter safety drills which don't amount to much besides "duck and cover" and "hide and go seek" with the teacher essentially having to become a human shield to buy the students time, or the controversial bring a weapon / conceil carry firearm to school just in case.

Do you not see how everything you are doing right now completely contradicts the first half of your original response to me?

Forget it. Its over. I think both takes i saw from you today are completely fucking ridiculous and I posted itt without thinking. I should not have brought up the first one itt.

Its a tragedy and I don't empathize or sympathize with a mass murderer just because they are 15. Thats the only point that I should have stated in this topic and I obviously shouldn't have quoted you.

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Punished_Blinx posted...

With now often this happens in the US it ain't just the parents who are negligent over this issue.

Facts. But itll never be addressed lol We need to fix the mental health crisis in this country but no one has cared about the mentally ill since the asylums were closed in the 80s.

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